TheLastMan: I am interested that everybody seems to think that $1,300 is "cheap". In the UK the Tamron SP 28-75mm F2.8 XR Di LD Macro is £300 ($450). Sure it is a fractionally longer focal length range and it lacks an internal motor and weather proofing, but at around 1/3 of the price it looks astonishingly good value.
Shops are already taking orders on the Pentax 24-70 at £1,150 ($1,725) so as normal Pentax are seriously over-priced here compared to the USA.
The Tamron 24-70 for Canon/Nikon/Sony here is about £675 ($1,025) street price so only 60% the proposed price of the Pentax. If Tamron have licensed the design to Pentax then presumably that is why the Tamron 24-70 is not available in a Pentax fit!
Just to put this in perspective, I could buy both a Tamron 28-75 f2.8 AND a Pentax FA 77mm F1.8 for a total of £1,100 which is less than the proposed price of the Pentax 24-70.
@TheLastMan: I better stay with my Mk. 7 Golf GTI. ;-)
happypoppeye: They announce a lens for a system that doesn't exist?
Do you prefer it to be vice versa, i.e. introducing a camera body and not having any lenses? Well then you probably own a Sony CSC. :-)
Dan Vincent: Not hard to have a lens out when all you do is put it in a different case. Smart move by Pentax. The Tamron 24-70 is a good lens already, don't reinvent the wheel.
Barnet: yes, those are indications, but not enough to say they are the same lenses (to me all Sigma Art zooms look the same). Only a picture of optical formula (placement of lens elements) can tell for sure.
And for the price of one BMW X5 I can have three Dacia Dusters. Sure Duster is fractionally smaller and it lacks 6 cyl. engines and 8-speed A/T, but it looks astonishingly good value. ;-)
Jon Schick: The strategy of making a well-priced version of an existing well-regarded lens makes sense to me - and if Pentax offer this as the kit lens rather than a slower f3.5-5.6 or constant f4 offering, then I think they are reading the reasons why many people choose to move to FF quite carefully.
All the rumours I have read say that K-1 (most possible name of FF body) will be competing with D810 and 5Ds and have either 36 MPx or 42 MPx Sony sensor. So forget about entry-level price.
Cane: good one. :-) I just meant this: https://photographylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/2164_AF-S-NIKKOR-24-70mm-f2.8G_Construction-2.jpg You don´t have to have a PhD. in optics to see whether the lenses have the same or different optical formula.
Despite the fact 1300 USD is surprisingly low for a fast zoom, it is still high enough to be a kit zoom. I think the answer is in Pentax´ lens roadmap: it announces something like 28-105mm "DFA standard zoom" without description "large aperture", that means slower lens, maybe with variable aperture, so something like f4 or f3,5-5,6. Such lens will be much cheaper than f2,8 zoom, thus more suitable as a kit lens.
Is there any proof this lens is just a rebadged Tamron? No fight, just would like to see some proof (picture of optical elements etc) to be sure.Even if it was proved, I don´t see it as a problem, since Tamron 24-70/2,8 is a great lens (unlike the Tamron 18-270mm which Pentax rebadged).
Kudos to Pentax for many things: introducing lenses before releasing the body (do you notice that Sony?), as well as for the fantastic price compared to C&N (or basically any fast FF zoom).The only thing I have troubles accepting is the size of the new lenses, being used to tiny Pentax lenses (not only Limiteds) those new zooms look huge (not only FF lenses, also the 16-85mm).
Fogsprig: They have nothing to do in APS-C directory or what?Kind of sad news, because K-3 was a really nice camera but it's obsolete IMHO.
No, Pentax has been heasitating for long, considering potential losses or gains. But obviously the management saw the direction of Nikon (concentration on FF, leaving APSC behind) and came to the conclusion FF is the future. APSC will continue to be eaten by mirrorless, but FF DSLR has no real competition (one swallow does not make summer).
rishikol: Wish ListFull frame, 24 to 36 Mpix, Usable ISO -102400, 12fps, AF Accuracy 95%, Tracking AF accuracy 90%, comparability with old lenses, Mirror up AF-C accuracy = 95%. 4K internal Video with S-log. Super wish - Comparability with Canon & Nikon Glass.Hyper Wish - Price USD 1500.00 :)
My wish list: FFmax. 24 MPxprice max. 1500 eur. Available now. ;-)Just this simple.
William Koehler: What would you like to see from a full-frame Pentax DSLR?
Available for purchase.
They announced that it was nine months in the future, now it's another six months in the future, at this rate by the time it is released its time will be passed.
Exactly. I have no special wishes, I would be very satisfied with only the features that the K-3 II has, with a FF sensor.But please RICOH move on, your fans don´t have eternal patience!
iudex: To all you guys that don´t know much about Pentax and wonder about what lenses will the FF use: Pentax already has 9 fullframe lenses in it´s recent lineup; 3 FF lenses are in the roadmap for 2015 or later (I guess they will be introduced at the same time with the FF), not mentioning dozens of discontinued FF lenses and current DA lenses, that are oficially APSC only, but are proved to cover FF.So compared to any other new camera system (Fuji X-mount, Sony FE etc) the FF Pentax will have the most lenses available already upon introduction.
Even if we stick to current official FF lenses, there are:FA 31mm f1,8FA 35mm f2FA 43mm f1,9FA 50mm f1,4DFA 50mm f2,8FA 77mm f1,8DFA 100mm f2,8DFA 70-200mm f2,8DFA 150-450mm f4,5-5,63 lenses are announced in the lens roadmap for 2015:DFA large diameret standard zoom (obviously 24-70mm f2,8)DFA standard zoom (probably slover kit zoom cca. 28-105mm)DFA large diameter wide zoom (probably 15-30mm f2,8).So by the time the FF body is introduced there should be all the basic lenses covering 15 to 450mm. Good for beginning I´d say.
To all you guys that don´t know much about Pentax and wonder about what lenses will the FF use: Pentax already has 9 fullframe lenses in it´s recent lineup; 3 FF lenses are in the roadmap for 2015 or later (I guess they will be introduced at the same time with the FF), not mentioning dozens of discontinued FF lenses and current DA lenses, that are oficially APSC only, but are proved to cover FF.So compared to any other new camera system (Fuji X-mount, Sony FE etc) the FF Pentax will have the most lenses available already upon introduction.
marshwader: Lovely photograph. I admired it when I first saw it a while ago. A well deserved award. Which camera did he use. It's not specified and would be interesting to know. A "weather resistant camera" with a 70-200 f/2.8 zoom. Was it a Canon by any chance?
It is obvious: the picture was not shot with a Sony camera, so Sony was not going to advertize other brands. If it was Sony, I am pretty sure the exif would be published.
Shiranai: $600 (quote of Cnet) IMO is a little bit much to ask.I mean you can get a Canon EF 35mm f/2 IS USM Lens for 50 bucks less. And instead of the bigger aperture, the Tamron has not much more to offer.
Yeah, good point. The weather sealing makes these lenses very desirable for Pentax shooters (future FF model) so it would be nice if Tamron reconsidered it´s decision not to make Pentax mount lenses any more.
How about Pentax? It is clear Pentax will introduce it´s FF soon so a FF prime lens would be a nice "birthday present". THe FA 31mm f1,8 is nice, however really pricey.
"instead of the bigger aperture the Tamron has not much more to offer." well this (lens speed) is what it is about. And for Nikon users there is the image stabilisation. So this lens has somathing to offer to users of both brands.
CameraLabTester: We need companies like Tamron and Sigma to challenge the monopoly of brand name mounts that are outrageously overpriced and without any competitors.
But if the same Tamron and Sigma mob don't offer a much more "bargain" pricing... then shoo them, stick to the original overpriced de facto mob.
And specifically for Pentax users Tamron and Sigma offer lenses that has no alternative at Pentax. In my case it´s 50:50 (2 Sigma and 2 Pentax lenses).
iudex: Nice camera, as are all OM-D models. However I have one big problem with all OM-Ds save for the E-M1: they are very uncomfortable to hold, since they have small (almost useless) handgrip, what complicates usage of larger lenses. And Oly is obviously aware of this problem, as it offers an additional handgrip. I do think this grip should have been built in. It really makes no sense to avoid the handgrip, since with any lens attached the lens is bigger than the grip. So for me the only usable OM-D is the (very expensive) E-M1, which is a pitty since I could easily make do with the lesser models.
@Mk82: re: "Because when you move and you carry camera with you, you naturally have lens unmounted from the body and you have lens and body in different pockets." Really? I ALWAYS leave the lens on my camera and would never travel with detached lens. Apart from the fact that it is not very practical it is the best way to get your sensor dirty (constant putting the lens on/off)."it gives great grip if you just know how to hold the cameras correctly." Wlee I didn´t know holding a camera is rocket science that needs to be learned. ;-)