moimoi: A crazy expensive camera with the horrid X-trans sensor (raw conversion still produces artifacts), no thanks...
Problem with Lightroom is that it actually gives results that are sub-pair to Bayer sensors.
Ian SS: Some people may not agree but carrying my black X100 has certain photographic satisfaction, it's fun taking snaps with it. I use Canon, Nikon DSLR and Hasselblad, carrying these cameras felt like doing jobs rather than having fun enjoying walking around town talking pictures, it is something that will sink in slowly but once you get the feel, it is wonderful!
It's all about approach. I love shooting with X100 as much as I do with a DSLR. Heck: I would argue that shooting with DSLR is actually more fun and satisfying (TTL OVF) - but never the less X100 is an outstanding camera that gives lots of pleasure and does what it's suppose to do in an excellent way.
Nishi Drew: Today I saw a total of 40 X100 cameras in the used shelf in a camera shop, and half of them the limited black edition... hope the people that used to own them just went on to the X100s, but I do wish the used price for the X100 would drop with so many available as second hand
IDK - black X100 looks worse than a silver one. I guess people realize it eventually and drop it for a silver one. Or upgraded to X100s.
SuvoMitra: Yes, well done, Fuji. Nice cameras and great support. I've stayed with the classic X100, which is a different camera now with FW 2.0. Also, the WCL-X100 is amazing if a 28mm equiv is sometimes preferable, without loss of quality. For me, the X100+WCL functions as two different cameras that do different things in combination with other cameras/focal lengths.
"without loss of quality" - there's no such thing. Each adapter or converter means a loss of image quality. Of course it depends on what you can accept and what's the quality of converter, but never the less - you cannot say that there is no loss of quality. It's against laws of physics.
bigdaddave: Yes I'm sure it's very nice and fun to use, but even that one picture of the dark haired woman shows the camera's severe limitation, a fixed semi-wideangle. It's nowhere near the best focal length for that shot and is already distorting her image
Quite how you can all blub over a camera with such limitation in 2013 is beyond me.
You must realize that if you would have longer FL - it'd be equally limiting only in different situations (eg. landscapes/travel).Meanwhile this, shorter focal length allows for smaller lens what is a great benefit to this body.
X100 is a perfect proof that compacts do better job as a travel / walk-around camera than any compact system camera out there.Well done Fuji!
Jonavin: It has it's quirks but I love my X100S because it's so darn fun to use. Photos from it still surprise me. I've taken more shots with it this year than I have with all my other cameras combined in the past 5. It's always inviting you to pick it up and take some shots, and results don't disappoint.
I love when people measure quality of cameras by amount of shots made with them.
NCB: Price: all things are relative...
For around the same price you could get a Leica X Vario. Fixed lens (28-70 equiv zoom) APS-C compact. No grip. No viewfinder. Limited external controls.
Nice camera in its way but I think the Df is vastly better value for money.
"But why bring it up? " - because you claimed that one needs to spend $4k to approach optical quality of Leica - which clearly isn't the case.
"it's really pretty obvious when looking at photos" - yes, seen them, shot myself with M9 and still disagree. Yes, it's an excellent gear, no doubt about that, but it's certainly not as good as you think it is. You're a classical example of confirmation bias I'm afraid.
Ingloryon: Nex-6 + metabones speed booster would give me a better "pure photography" experience at half the cost.
NEX + "pure photography" - buahaha, what a BS. That electronic mirrorless toy got as much to deal with purity of photography as it does with toaster.
And than you start shooting above ISO800. Suddenly DF delivers MUCH better image quality.Besides - that 4000$ is bit over the board. Some of the best Nikon lenses easily approach Leica quality. $2k Zeiss 135 f/2 even beats it to ground.
Saffron_Blaze: I wonder what the mark-up on the Df is compared to the D610 and the D800? They'll probably make more selling one Df than two D800s.
HowaboutRAW - you gonna loose a lot of money with bets like that.
Rage Joe: Thinking about it a while, I think this camera will sell pretty good :)
Currently it's no.7 on Amazon (most expensive camera in Amazon top-10)Nikonrumors admin - how posted that whole "not even in the top 20" BS checked the Amazon before they updated statistics with data after starting preorders for DF.
Get your facts straight before posting.
Stoker Ace: Yes. An interesting idea that seems to have divided the bloggers. However Leica have made a good wedge making "retro" digital camera's for several eons! I suspect than many may not realise that the satisfaction of owning/using something like an M8/9 is not in it's megabit framespeed or 4D video or whatever but in the tactile satisfaction of owning something that is not cutting edge but has a robust feel and is styled the same as their last 10 camera's. As an aside I think my SB11 will suddenly become a desirable retro flash for the Df if it comes the commercial success I suspect it will become.
? How about: People that want camera with direct manual controls instead of "hold&something"?And how about NOT using word "hipster" as an offensive one?
HowaboutRAW: And I bet the Sony factories making the sensors in the D800 and D610 charge less per-sensor made than a different factory making the sensor from the D4–this is mostly a volume thing.
Then Nikon had to substantially retool a production line to make the body with the wheels and knobs.
There’s also a new processor in this body, so that’s going to cost more wholesale, though with time that price may go down for Nikon.
So based on my guesses, your pure speculation could be entirely wrong–probably is.
If you don’t want this body and sensor, then don’t buy it. But if you want this sensor, you’ll then have to spend about $6000.
"And I bet the Sony factories making the sensors in the D800 and D610 charge less per-sensor made than a different factory making the sensor from the D4–this is mostly a volume thing."- I bet they don't.D800/D610 sensors are Sony's, D4 sensor is Nikon design, so Nikon doesn't have to pay IP royalties.
Picturenaut: $2.8k could be a killer for the hipster market this vintage pseudo wheels & knobs thing is made for. AF system! I can't believe it: a true FM-2 had to be focused manually and had for this a real split image screen you don't find in any production DLSR of today anymore.
For that price I can take one of our original FM-2's (still have 3, one proofed to work flawlessly in Siberian winter at -40 °C), load it with a lot of film, and scan this film. Plus, I get the feel of the true thing when I shoot, including winding the film manually. I seriously doubt, too, that Nikon today is able to meet the production quality level of the classic FM period. Just recently died our D300 before reaching 90k shutter actuations.
These are not "pseudo wheels & knobs" - everything on this camera is fully functional.There is AF because it's DF - you know - fusion thing? It's not just a new series of original Nikon F.
"For that price I can take one of our original FM-2's" - and how many photos you can take before it's more expensive than DF?
Ranford Stealth: And still it goes on. Seeing as how the Sony fanboys/trolls/naysayers have REALLY rattled their sabres here and taken things up to Defcon 5, I can only assume this is gonna be a great camera. The last time I saw such vitriol from these guys was when the Fuji X100S was released, which like the DF, was misguided, overpriced (aren't they all? Bar Sony of course) and couldn't possibly be any good. Save your 3 grand for the RX1, now there's money well spent apparently. Look just don't buy the damn DF and be content with what you've got. Or design your own dslr and submit it to Sony or Olympus, because those Nikon swine won't listen to you. I can't imagine why not. And while we're at it can we see some pictures shot at 1/8000th sec? I want to see all the stuff I'm missing out on. Thanks
AbrasiveReducer - it actually does cost more. D800 sensor is Sony's so Nikon has to pay them for each sensor. With D4 they only pay for manufacturing (which is cheaper than paying for 3rd party sensor)
Craig from Nevada: Retro is soooo 2012
Yea, Olympus EM or most of m4/3 cameras are perfect examples of that.Here it's hardly a rip-off. It's just a disappointment, cause plenty people imagined it'll be priced for 1500$ (and I still can't understand how they did the maths the get price below 2000$).
pca7070: An ugly overpriced "retro" camera.
People seriously use "retro" as a way to offend or attack something? Seriously? Jeez, get a life, or something.
NCB: Bottom line is:a) this is Nikon's smallest and lightest FF DLSRb) functionally it's a totally modern DSLR, whatever the looksc) it has an outstanding, proven sensord) it offers the traditional controls which will appeal to a number of photographers
It will sell.
Many CSC users will hate it because it strikes at everything they've bought into. The brighter CSC user will realise that it's simply a different sort of product, but an equally valid one.
whiners gonna whine(ps. argument that it's "2 years sensor" and therefore "not modern" is one of the ridiculous things said in comments under this camera)
Looca: Finally a pure photo camera, after all this time...
"after all this time" was key part of the sentence that you didn't understood Holger.
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