justmeMN: I guess Canon doesn't want to popularize the concept of mirrorless cameras in the USA. Here, most people have never heard of a mirrorless camera, and Canon wants to keep it that way.
Interesting. Sales across the Europe were more-or-less identical in 2014 comparing to 2013. This means that there must have been a country(s) with a huge drop in mirrorless sales to compensate for raise in Sweden.
Sad Joe: Well, I for one am pleased to see the M3 - no its not a GH4 nor a A7 - of course Canon will not allow it to be until they elect to go for the mirroless market fully at which point I have no fears that they could take the market… I have two EOS-M's - which most people seem to HATE having never actually used one. Be even better if the M3 is another sales flop - £199 inc kit lens - Oh yes - bring it on! Note - DPR - NO FLARE ISSUES !
EOS M is not a bad camera? Canon claims AF on this one here is... 6 times faster. If there exists a camera that's six times faster than yours - I'm quite sure that calling your camera "bad" is fully justified.
Earth Art: Interesting. Some Canon users want it and will stay with the system. Others are leaving to Nikon and Sony. None are saying they are moving from Nikon and Sony to Canon.
This shows a 3-4 year trend of market share slowly slipping away from Canon. Many were thinking the 5D3 was the last straw in waiting for new tech. This announcement has made some people mad they gave Canon the benefit of the doubt and stuck around for so long.
BTW, I am a happy Canon shooter and not looking to replace my T1i or 6D with anything, but I do see where the market is no thrilled with newer options.
People at dPreview will never be trilled with anything that's not mirrorless.
Nikonandmore: The only thing that I can clearly say, is that the Pentax 645z will eat these Canons for breakfast, digest them for lunch and burp them for dinner.. .and ironically, DxO still does not support the 645z (nor is there a DPreview for it). Why is everyone so afraid of the Pentax 645z? Do you want to bet how quickly DxO will swiftly benchmark these two new cameras? Oh yeah & I want to see PhaseOne's CaptureOne also "not" readily support these two new Canons like they permanently blacklisted the Pentax.. pathetic. Good luck selling 30,000 dollars+ 50MP digital medium format backs now, haha:)
guy above doesn't know a basic terminology.
stratplaya: Looks like after 8 years Canon was finally able to make a copy of the Nikon 14-24mm f/2.8. Congrats, Canon!
lol @ comparing 11-24 with 15-30. Clueless guy probably never held anything wider than 24mm, if at all.
Marcelobtp: Canon seems to be without cards, 50 mpx sensor but without improved Dynamic Range, this seems a bit silly, 5ds is acceptable, as the main audience who is targeted are studio photographers with controled light. but 5ds R, for landscape? Just for the canonists, even then, most of them already have an A7R, and will be waiting for the A7Rmk2. Anyway a i really like the improved hardware to favor the new high mpx count, what a7r in first place did not acomplished.I'm really losing faith in canon. As i much prefer the color science from canon then the others, excluding MF. This launch marks the desperation of canon.Sigma and tamrom are upping their game really quickly, and sony is orquestratiing the sensor development and production, i like to see competition, not exclusivity.
And that means a death of innovations in sensor department as soon as Sony feels confident... damn it. In the end we'll probably be getting Sony TVs story all over again - overpriced, semi-useful hardware with high failure rate that will be phased out by a company from a different industry.
Terry Breedlove: Ok so 50 MP is cool for some but way over kill for most. It just seems that Canon and Nikon are still in the megapixel wars when other companies such as Olympus and Sony are innovating and producing new cameras chocked full of technologies most of us really want and need. The two big boys at the top are living in yesterdays reality building boring plastic bubble cameras.
Yep. So still nothing from Oly. Even their magical "40 MPx" mode in latest camera is a mere copycat of an idea introduced by Hasselblad years ago.
Frank_BR: The mirror mechanism is as complicated as the tape transport mechanism of a VCR. It's good that Canon starts thinking seriously about launching a professional mirrorless camera or it will have the same fate of the VCRs.
Yea, cause we totally have thousands of people reporting mirror failures.
Jeez, these mirrorless trolls are detached from the reality.
munro harrap: THe limited dynamic range is very disappointing, although it can be increased in Raw and PP no doubt. I hope Dpreview review of these cameras comes soon, a full review, and I hope that this time you will include the APS-C and APS-H format comparisons againt the 1D MkIv and the Nikon D7100 and a6000 Nex models.
A criticism I have long had of the site is that the very useful RAW and JPEG comparison module omits discontinued models. I do understand why- the module did not exist long ago, but being able to compare Image Quality NOW with older models like the 1Ds MkIII and II and the 1DIII and IV would allow us to make our minds up collectively as to whether image quality has in fact improved.
"THe limited dynamic range is very disappointing" - really? And what's exactly the dynamic range of this camera, in EVs?
Let me guess: You have no clue aside from one very vague sentence that someone from Canon told to someone from dPreview that Richard and Barney reported later on.
So you'd better stop making fool of yourself.
t2videoandphoto: Folks, you all seem to forget that this is Canon's STILL dept., not its separate (an unequal) VIDEO dept. Canon makes SEPARATE cameras for both! I expect to see VIDO camera upgrades aimed at VIDO users. Just look as Sony's SEPARATE camera devisions and their separate division entries!
I luv my STILL 5D mk. III for STILLS. I luv my RED for video! I would NOT cross them although both advertise their cameras are fab. for EVERYTHING! What else do you expect from marketing ... nerds?
You're talking on a forum where only determinant of video quality is number of pixels (newest hit: 4k video) and amount of megabits per second.
So get over it - most of these comments are from trolls that are clueless about the video.
munro harrap: Part III . Note too that the video is crippled. No 4K. only 30fps at HD1080p. There isn't even a headphone socket. You can get all that for far less than £3.2K on a Sony.
And this has me asking why there is no declaration here of buffer depths.Why is there no declaration here of shutter-lag?
Both of which cripple earlier models and the Sony A7R. I am waiting until CAnon reduce shutter lag to 0.42 m/secs or less.
IN fact I am wondering why this is not a mirrorless machine sold with an AF adaptor for all EF and EF-S lenses? Really.
Is that in 6 years and 2 "upgradeson" ? Well as a Nikon user annoyed that the D810 was not produced first, I'm sure Canon users will learn here from how we were treated, at OUR expense to below par specification- as you can now buy a second-hand D800 that cost £2.4K in spring 2012 for £1K with a years warranty, so expect your depreciation on the non R model to be the same....
@balico - let's wait for some reviews, shall we?---lol @ the idea of recording 4k video with 50MPx camera.
IQ will be pathetic from something like that (proper 1080p camera would give you more pleasing picture), there's absolutely no reason to put poor quality 4k video into a body like that.
Richard Franiec: Is nobody getting the hint that the main appeal of new 5D is an ultimate (unmatched yet) resolution of the sensor, improved color rendition, fantastic AF in one package?Bitching results in wasted time only. Trying to understand and taking an advantage of the development require some effort and most likely then not, this approach could be more rewarding.
People are bitching here because bitching on Canon gives you upvotes on dPreview.
The Squire: All that effort to reduce mirror slap when what they really should be doing is developing a serious mirrorless camera...
Yep. Why cripple yourself with mirrorless when DSLR works fine?
Karl Gnter Wnsch: Why mark the "self cancelling" anti aliasing filter in green? If it were a clear advantage without any drawbacks then Canon wouldn't need to produce two cameras...
It's still a factor even at very packed APS-C sensors. Look at Samsung NX1 - it's got horrible moire even though it's pixel density is much higher than in this Canon.
naththo: Pentax is making FF camera. So will be interesting to be Canon vs Nikon vs Sony vs Pentax. Who will win the battle? Most likely Nikon yes they are master in low noise.
Sony also makes sensors for Canon. This one sensor here is supposed to be co-developed by Sony (or at least - use Sony patents and manufacturing plants).
jadot: It looks like a great camera on it's own, but the DR issues seem to be bothering some.
I think the real problem is the fragmentation of features across FF AND Crop sensor cameras now. There's comparison with 5DIIs, 5DIIIs, 7DIIs, and Even the 1D series. You can buy this camera for resolution, this camera for low light, this camera for speed, this camera for video, and so it goes. You get the resolution but not the dynamic range. You get the video, but not ALL of the video!
I understand that different sensors can be better at different things, but none of these cameras should be only good at one thing.
Anyway, the resolution's too high and the File sizes wouldn't work for me, although I may hire one for the studio once in a while. Also, it was mentioned that Wedding Photographer will probably be interested in this - I'm not so sure about that. Massive files from this sensor can only slow down PP - No thanks!
Sony made A7s with sole purpose of delivering high ISOs, Canon made 5Ds with sole purpose of delivering high MPx. Both make about as much sense and are targeted at about as big groups of customers.
ManuelVilardeMacedo: "There was a time when Canon led the high-resolution large-format sensor..."There seems to be some conceptual mix-up here. 36x24 mm is not 'large-format.'
for m4/3 boys it is ;)
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R Vaquero: Not too bad, three long years after the Nikon D800 release... ;)
Nikon is yet to come with response to this camera. There are some rumors about Nikon 50Mpx body with Sony sensor to be released in this year, but we'll see what exactly it's going to be.
Canon never made any equivalent to D800 and it's unlikely they will make one.
Wohoho... 50 MPx FF... exciting times. It looks to be the best camera for things like product or fashion photography on a market.
Seeing limited ISO range with most likely dynamic range similar to the one from older cameras it's probably not too great for landscape photographers.