prossi: LOL Considering the sharp decline in the US sales vs EU, Canon has decided to punish US customers! Or they don't want to lose face going up against the a6000 and the upcoming a7000/9000. They will just keep flooding the US with expensive and substandard DLSRs since they have good customer base for those.
They don't punish anyone. Sales in US are so pathetically small, that moving these bodies to the warehouses across the country and promoting the camera is more expensive than any profits they might get, so they chose not to loose money on mirrorless.Sounds like a smart move. Perhaps if other companies would follow - some of them wouldn't bleed money so heavily.
justmeMN: I guess Canon doesn't want to popularize the concept of mirrorless cameras in the USA. Here, most people have never heard of a mirrorless camera, and Canon wants to keep it that way.
Interesting. Sales across the Europe were more-or-less identical in 2014 comparing to 2013. This means that there must have been a country(s) with a huge drop in mirrorless sales to compensate for raise in Sweden.
Sad Joe: Well, I for one am pleased to see the M3 - no its not a GH4 nor a A7 - of course Canon will not allow it to be until they elect to go for the mirroless market fully at which point I have no fears that they could take the market… I have two EOS-M's - which most people seem to HATE having never actually used one. Be even better if the M3 is another sales flop - £199 inc kit lens - Oh yes - bring it on! Note - DPR - NO FLARE ISSUES !
EOS M is not a bad camera? Canon claims AF on this one here is... 6 times faster. If there exists a camera that's six times faster than yours - I'm quite sure that calling your camera "bad" is fully justified.
Michael Ma: Does it do 4K video?
if FFFB will upgrade then M43FB should "upgrade" down to iPhones.
badi: 7 years to go....
Joke aside... it's a bit sad when you realize the pace these science projects advance... i mean, ok, it is a big project...but 7 years to build... is only one guy building and caring the bricks on the mountain or what...
But... that's what they are doing. You really think that they wait with starting the construction works until glass elements are done? lol
Sirandar: I am interested in what this camera may see and whether more MP will actually result in seeing more or whether other limits such as light gathering, stability and noise will come into play.
I wonder if eventually NASA will park a telescope in orbit on the non-sun facing side of the moon.... there is probably no accessible place darker ..... but is may be more gravitationally wobbly.
PS ..... that may be the biggest ND filter ever made.
ESA got an idea of doing just that - building a telescope on the other side of the moon - sadly just like NASA - they don't have a budget for things like that.
flektogon: So, the CCD technology is not dead yet. I would even say that it must be better than CMOS, if in such an expensive project it is preferred. Just wondering when we are going to see CCD in the digital photography again.
CCDs were always very popular in astrophotography, even among amateurs, not just scientists. When cooled they are much better for working with low levels of light than CMOS sensors (linear response to light, lower noise, better sensitivity at wide range of wavelenghts).
ProfHankD: Nice video! I think most DSLR users are not aware of the moving slit, which is a cloth curtain that moves left-right in many old SLRs (and why we still call them curtains). The temporal artifacting, nearly identical to electronic rolling shutter, is also something I think many people don't know about. It's also worth mentioning that there is a very different artifacting for leaf shutters used in compact cameras: the iris goes from open to closed and then open again, effectively varying the aperture diameter through the exposure interval (which actually can improve bokeh, but causes strange temporal artifacts within the bokeh for fast-moving objects).
BTW, a high-speed video looking at the other end of the camera is interesting too: the lens in a DSLR typically has to stop down to the desired aperture as the mirror is being lifted. In fact, in some cameras that's what's still in progress in the short interval between the mirror being up and the shutter curtain starting the exposure.
When filming video camera is not using a mechanical shutter, so there is no moving slit as visible on this video.
Glen K Wells: Jusy my two pennyworth but i think it is a mistake by Panasonic to not provide a built in flash.Ok add-ons are more powerful etc but who are these cameras aimed at?
The LX100 - no flash and now the GM5?Basic photo punters do not want to carry a separate flash around with them to a friends house or out in their other pocket. Just want to take a quick snap oh hang on everyone I need to find and then attach the flash - hey where did everyone go?A built in flash is one of the functions that make cameras like the E-M10 and the NEX I mean A6000 lines popular.A built in flash is dam useful. If there is no room on top anymore why not squeeze one on the front like the days of old - software or the camera can remove red-eye.
Personally I would not choose a camera without one, I know that counts for zip but it is a feature that I look for. Currently have D610, X-E2, NEX-6 and E-M10.
Gonna start a bring back the built in flash campaign haha.
You can use one of small flashes designed for E-mount cameras with RX100. I picked RX100 mkII cause it comes with build in flash with an ability to bounce it from the celling - no, it doesn't have EVF, but IMHO such a tiny EVF on tiny camera is nothing more than a waste of space.
And a lack of interchangable lenses in case of this small camera is actually an advantage - it allows you to get brighter zoom lens than any ILC camera of similar size can offer, and you don't have all the hassle with interchangable lenses.
thxbb12: That's a shame DPR didn't show a comparison of the EVF size compared to other models (Sony RX100 III, Panasonic LX100 and some other MFT bodies).It's difficult to gauge how small it is compared to a "regular" MFT body (E-M10, GX7, etc.).
I guess they don't want to include it because for most of the people it'd be misleading. Size isn't the only important thing about viewfinder. Here is a specific case, cause it's very small, but otherwise it could lead people into believing that larger EVF is universally better, which is not true.
RichRMA: A graphic display of why mirrors should be...going away.
Opposition to EVFs got nothing to deal with branding.
Herman Dijkhuis: If you wanna go professional go Sony. Canon is too expensive imo.The war for professional cameras has begone, it will be hard for Canon to stay ahead of Sony.Acc. to me Sony will win.
They are talking here about use for video. Mirror got nothing to deal with focusing while recording the video. And besides - focusing with split prism OVF is perfectly doable, hardly "much harder", I would even argue it's easier, you never used split sceen with that size of OVF or what?
J A C S: How many of the posters here have ever touched this camera? Let me start with myself - never...
Group of people choosing between 1DC and LX100 is non extstent. They are totally different cameras. You have no clue what you are talking about.
RonRaymond: DSLR's are just to big and bulky for the average user, at work if I need a photo of something I use my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 even though I have a SX700, M2, SX60 in my bag. But if I need to capture something hard to photograph like PCBs with Led's on I might reach for the Canon SX 700.
Taking Sunsets Pics I use everything Samsung Note 3, SX700, SX60 and M2.
I have to say make it smaller and better because that's what we the consumer wants. How bout a M2 with a SX60 lens that would be a game changer
It doesn't matter if for you it's horrible or not. It matters if for people using smartphones pictures they got are good enough. And in majority of cases - they are good enough for them, therefore you can see constant rise of smartphones and enormous drop in compact cameras.
"Lag time one most modern cameras is below 10ms. Which is about twice as fast as the fastests human eye refresh rate." - ONLY IN PERFECT LIGHTING CONDITIONS!
In real life lag can go below 1/24 of a second as sensor needs to be exposed for a time, and all that smudging you see in your EVF while in low light is because exposure time can go below 1/24s.
"Nonsense. Some cameras have blinkies, which can show you the highlights/shadows." - FYI: These are useless cause they're made on 8 bit output for EVF, not the full output you get in RAWs.
oselimg: And why this camera wasn't mirrorless one? Mirrorless is the way ahead. There would be no need for videos like this if all cameras were mirrorless. There are many cameras with wi-fi and selfie functions. Why don't they film those?
Bouncy mirror is not really a problem, it's very light, energies involved are tiny, and everything is very well dampened. DSLRs got plenty of space for that. Unlike mirrorless cameras where you have no space at all, so vibrations from mechanical shutter get pronounced all over the body and lens. And if you still have a problem with DSLRs and their vibrations - just use damn mirror lockup feature. Learn your camera.
vesa1tahti: This film shows the absolute oldfascionality of the mechanical shutter. No need to design new DSLRs using this technology from the past. DSLRs are from the past, already now. Let's start to learn to forget their existence and stop to give some support to them in buying these museum monuments.
Karl is right, and raises several very valid points. That dismissal from mirrorless boys is laughable.
I used EVFs for over 3 years and pretty much the only thing I'm missing in OVF is live histogram, but I still will always pick OVF over EVF, precisely because issues raised by Karl and a fact that, well, viewing world on a tiny TV really breaks the connection with a scene and I always, even after 3 years of running with EVFs in my primary camera, got distracted by EVF. Image is different in EVFs, you always have to get back into "I'm operating the camera now" mode, while with a DSLR it's much more transparent, you are always there with a scene, no tiny TVs standing in your way.
Anastigmat: The reason Canon and Nikon have dominated the professional SLRand DSLR market is their ability to manufacture high speed shutters and mirrors. In contrast, companies like Minolta/Sony, Pentax and Olympus simply could not and cannot equal Canon and Nikon in this area.
Oh, Sony A900.... when that camera blasted you could really wake the dead. Canon and Nikons are stealth comparing to the noise A900 made.
And yea - the quickest camera in terms of shutter speed is Minolta.
Which is also an ultimate proof that Anastigmat's post is BS.
Mike5076: Enjoyed the video, well aware of the content before watching, but found it entertaining. I appreciate the the time spent putting this together and perhaps for some of the newer members of the imaging community it offered good insight into workings of a DSLR.
I am hoping that we lose the "R" of DSLR i.e. mirror. Technology is converging on this solution. I also suspect that the disrupter in the DSL market isn't Sony as much as it is Samsung. IQ debates aside, their first real salvo demonstrated that software is effectively free so why cripple a camera with poor software features?
CMOS sensors are the rule of the day, for now and favor rolling shutter. I suspect the next real breakthrough (50 mega pixel canon is a catch up not break through) is a global shutter in a body that is under $4,000 us at 18-24 MP -
Global shutter at these resolutions at video frame rates pretty much leaves ergonomics to the differentiation of vid/stills bodies
If you don't want a mirror - there are compacts (including these with Full Frame sensor) or mirrorless cameras.
I'll keep my mirror and the OVF it provides. I used EVFs for over 3 years now, and I always gladly return back to optical viewfinders.
Eric Calabros: Thank you DPR, it was amazing to see people who think mirrorless camera doesnt need mechanical shutter
Yea, people already tried fully silent cameras. You know how it ended? With microphones generating artificial shutter sound.Thanks, but I'll pass.