Charlieangel: Are there any advantages to DLSR now, aside from the through-the-lens optical viewfinder?
"The only real advantage DSLRs have is battery life" - jesus, these mirrorless fanboys are ridiculous.Also: I'm laughing hard at people who think that mirrorless systems are catching up with DSLRs in terms of lenses while at the same time they bash Pentax for lacking lens line up. You are clueless trolls.
Greg Gebhardt: No need for a full DSLR anymore. Mine sits in the closet with the Leica gear.
Afraid that my iPhone and G1X MK2 is covering it well!
All of these "weather sealing" tests under a water faucet are not worth a scratch. I was regularly washing my Sony A200 - cheapest entry-level camera Sony ever made - under a water faucet or shower and never had any problems with it. EVERY camera can survive water faucet test. EVERY SINGLE ONE. So will it survive being covered in sand - like one from Pentax video. These tests are BS. Leave camera in a rain for few hours and than we can talk if it's weather resistant or not.
Onteo: Any chance of getting a curved FF sensor? //genuine question
Heard that curved sensor would allow for smaller optics so my dream comes true. A very small travel/trekking camera with a couple of lens, either two zoom or 3/4 primes to cover it all.
It must be a very hard thing to do if it is not yet done.
Curved sensors make sense only with primes. If you want zooms, or prime lenses with vastly different focal lenghts - you'd need to either have a flat sensor or sensor with variable curvature (which is currently impossible to mass-produce).
So if Sony will ever release full frame curved sensor camera - it will be an RX-series compact. (They'll probably try 1" sensor first)
GreenMountainGirl: What are "cross-type AF points"?
People buying D810/5D mkIII tend to know what kind of AF sensor points camera has, where, and what do they do.And in case they don't - both: camera manual (available to download for everyone) and Canon website explain it. If that's still not enough - camera reviews also tend to include a map of AF points.
aris14: We should not forget that since Sony bought out Minolta has done enough progress. It pushes Canicons to a more niche market share.Have also in mind that some Rokkor lenses are exceptional and can be used in those Sonys.Oh! Consider a plus that Sonys seem to be more sophisticated using less moving parts than any Canikons.And something else. The pp software seems that has done more progress than camera technology in the last 5 years thus allowing even cameras in the entry level segment (not to mention 4/3, M43 or some great P&S) to embarrass some FF's results in a lot of cases.
But it's only Sony's fault. Since A77 they basically never advertised any of their DSLRs (as in: SLT being sub-type of DSLR). In my country - Poland - A77 hit top of the sales list in a period when it was properly advertised in a media - still less than Nikon, but it did have some advert campaign. These days Sony doesn't care about anything but NEX6, possibly also advertising A7 from time to time. All of the other cameras were pushed to the side lines. They didn't even bother to give A77 mkII right after the release to dPreview for reviewing.
refusenik: Hmmm, DPR are being inconsistent here - they don't like that the Sony A7/r/S doesn't have a built-in flash but don't seem bothered that the Canon 6D and 5D don't have built-in flash either.
I like how you think about not-having a functionality as an advantage....
Mike FL: A7 is #2, but no/not A7-2? Why?
Anyway, here is a quick overview of differences between the a7 and a7-2.
A7 has ZERO reason better than A7-2. IMHO, A7-2 is still noticeably better than A7 even you disable its 4.5 stops 5-Axis IBIS.
They never had a chance to review A7II. And besides differences you mentioned - there's also a bigger grip in A7II which adds a bit to the weight.And don't get started on the lenses, please. If DP wouldn't be so blandly pro-mirrorless like they are they should bash these cameras from ground up for very very limited availability of native lenses. DP gives more favours to the mirrorless cameras than most of it's competitors. So stop complaining. They are already thinking out of the box.
ashokvashisht: 6 Sony, 4 Nikon's and 2 Canons in the list. The world of full frame is changing ? :)
@Zeisschen - another stupid car comparison that you had to edit twice to write it down in the way you wanted... dude, if you have no clue what you're talking about - how about staying quiet? At least you won't make a fool of yourself.Nowhere in my post I mentioned quality of cameras, and I'm a Sony user myself, so stop implying that BS you do.
ashokvashisht - If you're shooter experienced enough to know that you will never need a system and full benefits it offers than go ahead. Sadly you're in a minority. Most of the people concious enough to choose a camera (as opposite to randomizing between C and N depending on who pays more to the seller in particular location) can almost never afford assuming that they will not ever want to expand beyond very limited offering of Sony systems (especially mirrorless - it's much better in A-mount, but still behind Canon and Nikon, especially in mid-range lenses).
EduardoKleinFichtner: I do not understand why not A7 II ???????
A7II is just A7 with few hardware fixes. It hardly deserves gold.
Sdaniella: 2014 FF Systems:Low End vs High End for good 'LOW' LIGHT
Canon EOS 6D vs Nikon D750 vs Nikon D4s vs Sony A7S
ISO 51200: (=Max ISO for D750)
DPR Comparison Widget Subject: Left-Side (dimly lit): JPEGS (RAW = Always worse)
For me: the IQ of D750 is very close to 5DMkIII, but behind 6DAnd I would never consider D810, nor A7/R/S, nor fixed prime RX1R (35mm too long)If Sony made a RX1R with a fast fixed 24mm prime (maybe: if it had a vari-angle swivel screen)
Least of all D610:it's the only new FF amongst those in the 12 that lacks the Exposure Simulation LV that the rest have.
Another user not bothering to read carefully.
kecajkerugo: Great systems for pros and also enthusiasts who are willing to carry these elephants! Since I am not ready to punish myself with the tanks I will stay with APS-C and will switch to Fuji or (TBD) Oly mirror-less world. The results will be still more than enough. The glass weight and size is not a nightmare.
Best regards for everyone PLEASED with whatever sort of hardware is possession!
Elephants? lol. What? You are 1.30m, 12 years old kid that a regular DSLR is an elephant for you? Grow up, or something.
Alex Permit: Strange to include the RX1R, a great compact fixed lens camera, in a roundup named "Heavy Hitters: high-end full frame roundup". While it is "full frame", it is not, nor does it pretend to be, a "heavy hitter".
Stranger still to exclude the D4S and 1DX because "they're aimed at working photojournalists and sports photographers." Its like excluding the Klitschko brothers from list of heavyweight boxing contenders because they're too tall.
"what we call "IQ FF" will get the same "IQ MFT" in 1-3 years" - No it won't. Not even remotely close - being generous and assuming that you're talking purely about amount of noise, details and dynamic range.
Marcin 3M: Here where I live Sony lenses are more expensive than its Nikon or Canon competitors. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sony's lenses IQ usually falls behind N/C, while some kind of lenses are simply unavailable (t/s is only third party lens).But I have to agree, that Sony' offer is more and more tempting, especially for newcomers.
@naththo - please, describe us your testing procedure, or stay quiet. People get fooled by the fact that they got stabilized image in a viewfinder and think that it makes lens image stabilization better than IBIS - it doesn't.
shadowhumper: On the RX1r "No built in viewfinder" how is this a con in a compact full frame? Do you take points of DSLRs for not being as compact as well?
Sounds like you are trying to find something else what is wrong and could not so started nagging about other things.
Another con: doesn't come in pink
In general you'd have a choice - either pinhole-sized EVF and more expensive camera or a slightly cheaper camera with an optional OVF or EVF (yep - you can buy optical viewfinders for RX1).
Fazal Majid: Missing the Leica M-E and M typ 240. That said, I am puzzled by the recommendation for the A7, given it has been thoroughly obsoleted by the A7II.
Yea, only after you get body you need to get a lens - and that's when low prices end and ridiculously high begin.
Mrrowe8: Interesting some of the quirky things pointed out about the Sony , yet in the recommendation of the D750 ( with the 24-120 lens ) no mention of how actually heavy it is .. Last night at store that had all 3 , I was able to hold the A7 super light , the D610 & D750 as I am looking at these 3 ( the Sony I am actually intresting A7II but A7 is close enough to get an idea ) and be aware that with that kit lens how heavy the D750 is as a take every where camera , as I do .. I am a nikon user , but only loyal to the camera that delivers the best image and is variable without a stupid bag ..
"no mention of how actually heavy it is" - it's not particularly heavy. Perfectly suitable for a long trips for that matter.
AKH: I think the A7 is an interesting choice and IQ can be good from it. Price is also low with the kit lens, but besides that, the other lenses are quite expensive and will lighten your wallet considerably if you want to go for the best IQ.
Another thing that makes me a little hesitant are the lossy compressed 12 bit raw files which in certain circumstances can produce artifacts. Why is Sony not willing to offer lossless raw?
Also AF in dim light is apparently not very good as far as I can read on different blogs. Can anyone confirm that AF is not very good in dim light - is it Fuji X100 first generation bad or much better than that?
Anyway, prices are so low now with the kit lens and the Sony cashback campaign, that I'm considering this camera very seriously despite these issues.
" you'll see that you can be really precise" - not as precise as with split screen. Especially while using focus peaking (which is waaaay overhyped). "really fast with it" - how fast you are depends pretty much only on your manual skills and got little to nothing to deal with the camera itself. "The results with them will make you really happy you bought the camera" - debatable - I'd much rather get f/1.4 but sadly for 1000$ all I can get is 2.8 or 1.8 lens, perhaps a very good one, but still unsuitable for certain types of photographs. FE-mount lacks even a very basics: the holy trinity of primes or the holy trinity of zooms. Sorry, but this system is simply not suitable for anyone thinking about doing much more with it than street or casual photography.
" It pushes Canicons to a more niche market share." - You are living in some alternative dimension, sir. Sony never was pushing Canikon into any sort of niche.
A7 is lighter and cheaper in a current market prices.
Nope, Sony is again using shotgun tactics. It's been the same when during A200-300-350 era. They made many different models based on the same body hoping to at least one of them will hit.In the end though - still a single model from Canon is outselling all of them 10:1. Sony never understood that many customers want to have a proper, full system of cameras (perhaps not buying it right away, but having an option to buy it), not just plenty of bodies. This sort-of changed in last 2-3 years when suddenly for a lot of people having light gear became more important than having a system, so it might be a win to Sony strategy of spamming market with a different models, but in the end of a day - they are still badly outsold by Canon and Nikon while at the same time having no clue why is that nor doing much to solve their glaring issues.