keeponkeepingon: Canon makes a camera about the same size as an older rebel or nikon.
Gear of the year!
Not really the same size at all. 1cm here, half cm there, and in the end you save quite a lot of volume.
flee2010: Yes, we should thank Sigma for creating a DX dream team. For many photographers, the combination of this lens and the APO 50-150mm F2.8 EX DC OS HSM would be all they need for their APS-C camera.
Better quality == larger size.
Chris2210: I'm loving my EM1, but I'm with you - the only thing bad I can think about this lens is that Sigma are not making an equivalent for m4/3 [which arguably needs it even more for fine DoF control].
I've left APSc behind [although I'm still hanging on to my 5DII], but this lens is a god-send to any serious shooter still into the format. I don't think APSc offers enough of an advantage over m4/3 to justify its size/weight, but large as this lens is, it does help to alter that matrix somewhat.
M4/3 is still the better choice for me, but if you APSc people ask me where the equivalent of this lens is for the smaller system [and of course it would have to be both wider and faster] there is no answer...
5D is not an APS-C camera. It's Full Frame. 4 times the goodness of m43.
mpgxsvcd: No, Micro Four Thirds in this category at all? Olympus OMD EM5 should have been on that list. Even the E-PM2 should have been on there.
I picked up a brand new Olympus E-PM2 with 14-42mm lens and 40-150mm lens for $349 and free shipping with no Tax collected from Amazon yesterday. The E-PM2 would compete well with everything on that list and it is less than half the price.
GM1 should be on that list, if any body with m43 sensor at all. It's small, it's light, it's brilliant, and it fills the void that no other camera in this classification tries to fill - a true *pocketable compact* with interchangeable lenses.
From all of these bodies I guess Pentax K50 is the best one. A pro body in a ridiculously great price for the features it got. Sony A65 and Nikon D3200 (or 5300 if you don't mind problems with 3rd party lenses) would take second spot. Fuji X-M1 perhaps would be a third one if you don't mind limited choice of lenses (though these that are out there got often really great quality).
In general though plenty of these bodies are really great, and every one of them will perform above and beyond expectation of every beginner. If I would point out any underperformers it'd be Nikon 1 (sensor from point & shoot camera) and Samsung (firmware, minuscule system, no even an optional viewfinder).
Gregography: I've never figured out why there is so little love for the Sony Nex-6.
Simple: Great body with no great lenses to match.
HowaboutRAW: Please explain in detail, what’s pointless about a full framed DSLR that’s quiet and very very good in lowlight, better than anything except the Nikon D4 and possibly the Canon 1D X?
The DF sure appears to be a good replacement for the much liked (still expensive) D700.
So no the DF is not some under-performing entry into a already very crowded market–completely unlike this Canon EOS M system then.
Well, they certainly could have announced vertical grip with DF - I'm sure it'd address that issue, and many people would welcome it with an open hands (*little finger issue*) - still though they chose not to, I guess for ascetics reasons. Kinda sad, but perfectly understandable, as it's not a DSLR like D610 or D800 - designed to fill in pretty much every possible role. It's more of a dedicated tool, which clearly doesn't try to satisfy all of the needs everyone got. Whatever it was good or bad decision - depends on a point of view and needs. For me it's a great choice - and I'd certainly buy it if not the price tag.
Sean65: Not a bad attempt for a photocopier manufacturer.
Still they got beaten by playstation manufacturer. ;)
wcbert: I been shooting with Canon DSLR for over a decade ands own 12 "L" lens. I am also a Fuji X-e1 owner too. Canon has to do better alot better than this. There is no excuse they are not even trying to become a leader in the mirrorless camera world. They not even trying to be in third place!
Canon read the writing on the wall and look what Sony is doing. If not then except to become the Blackberry of the camera world.
Thorgrem - I call that BS. Pentax got marginal market share, I doubt they sold more of their Q-series in a whole world than Canon sold EOS M in Europe alone. Fuji sold only like 700k units? That's also totally marginal sales in a global scope, probably comparable with what Canon got. Than there's Samsung which got next to nill sales anywhere outside of Asia. I'm yet to see any proofs Canon got the last place in overall sales.
Catalin Stavaru: Basically, there wasn't a lot that was wrong with the EOS M. Autofocus is now fixed, picture-to-picture time much reduced, and Wi-Fi added. Basic very compact camera with the highest APS-C image quality. I am beginning to like it. Hopefully I can pick up one for $300 soon.
@Catalin Stavaru - Sony does if you shoot RAW (JPGs are oversaturated and got issues handling reds). Sigma does (in both: RAW and JPG).
lol101: Doesn't this new camera remind you of a previous one?
I think it was called the EOS M but I could be mistaken...
Oh wait! My bad: the price is different...
Yea, I guess they take lesson from Sony NEX 3, F3, N3, what do we have today?
Jerome Kwok: Canon did a great job making fans think mirrorless is just a low cost compact camera with removable lens. Turn them back to overpriced DSLR's.
Not like there's much false in that. Loads of mirrorless are just that. Some are not. But it's not a rule.
ronny hermans: It's so simple, they still think that mirrorless isn't for a real photographers.
Once Pentax didn't think a digital slr was the way to go and got left behind, (and had to work hard to get back in the game).
Who will be left behind now ?
88SAL - where have you been? I do the same and so far seen only few MILCs, majority of them in hands of Asian tourists / immigrants.
And that's pretty much in line with statistics showing the fact that DSLRs outsell MILCs in between 8:1 and 9:1 in Europe.
Dave Luttmann: Dead Camera Walking....
Really? If they stay on the course - they will outlive any competition out there. You see - Canon is one of very, very few companies involved in camera market that actually do make a profit out of them.They're nowhere near being dead.And as for lack of innovation - already forgot 70D? People have really selective memory if they want to feel better about what they say.
"size and weight"? I just LOLed. It's smallest and lightest FF DSLR on a market, yet - whiners still whine. *facepalm*
dual12: How many Canon fanboys will fall for this...again?
For 300$? Just focus manually. It's not like other mirrorless systems offer wide choice of lenses - there's only one - m4/3 - that's semi-decent, but even that got less lenses on a table than poorest of DSLR systems - Pentax K.And it seems like they upgraded focusing on this body, so that should address 90% of complains ppl who bought the camera got. Now just wait till the price falls back below 400$ borderline and again it will be a very attractive body, even more so thanks to dedicated EOS adapters.
peevee1: At least we know they did not invest much into R&D for that camera, or marketing in the US for that matter. And they will be able to sell a couple of these to their Japanese fans.Come next board meeting, "Are we in a mirrorless market?" "Yes, we have just released a new mirrorless camera and it is already paid for its R&D and made a profit" - BONUS.
Well, if that makes Canon one of very, very few companies involved in mirrorless market that actually DO profit - than why not? ;)
Henderson May: canon...please give us folding standard lens..
You mean: Pancake zoom?
ThePhilips: The “Gaussian Approximation” by Shea Hadstrom looks very interesting.
If we would ever get a decent programmable camera API, it'd be interesting to see what else can be achieved by changing the aperture during exposure. (Just imaging toying with the zoom effect!)
jtra - you should read about Minolta Dynax 7. It got an "STF" function which bascially made multiple exposure shot with different apertures to achieve buttery-smooth bokeh.No, it's not pure gaussian blur (gaussian goes to infinity, which is impossible to achieve in real world) but it's as close as you can possibly get to it other than a real STF lens.
"Rishi's macro setup" - it actually worked?! LOL