Very disappointing european prices, $800 is around 600 euros which makes 720 euros with 20% sales tax, not 1000 euros as announced!!
Ah well, will keep the grey importers busy..
panos_m: I thought it would be much more expensive. I was wrong. It make a lot more sense now against a FF with a 24-70 f/2.8. It gives APS-C a big boost.
ADDED: At this price exposes other lens manufactures on their pricing policy.
and arguably their strategy towards quality lenses..
I can get that it's a pretty good and cheap prime for a 6D/5D, but it's mostly being sold as packages with the 100d/60d/700D which somehow doesn't make sense..?
Anyway, good to have a lens review :-)
fz750: To be honest I was expecting some "critical analysis" from DPR about Canon releasing the same camera again (admittedly with *some" video/liveview improvements) with the emphasis on the critical! (perhaps a comparative table of where other manufacters have put som effort in..)
Seems to me that since the 550d Canon have put little effort into the stills side of this range of camera and have only worked on the video capabilities, which do not interest me to be honest. (I include liveview in that, as I don't use it..)
I suspect a sizeable majority of people here are more interested in the stills side, not video, but perhaps we are not really representative of the greater market..
I hope that Canon's rumoured 70D event in July(?) is going to be more than a makeover..
As I said, I invested in canon lenses. I also don't like electronic viewfinders much which kind of screws up getting a sony or 4/3 :-) I have an Olympus EPL-2 for snapshots which is pretty good but..
Bottom line: I actually like using my Canon 500d - i'd be happy using a 700d if I thought it justified the outlay but I don't. I invested in lenses and prefer to stay in the canon eco-system, but am a bit let down by what Canon options I have available at the moment - all based on 4 year old sensors and lacking in features that competitors have..
Rubbish! Most of the people here are not average "tech consumers" and (due to DPR) are well aware what competitors have been rolling out (sony: new technology, Nikon: advances in sensors and features, for example, never mind Olympus's impressive 4/3 !!)
The 550d-600d-650d-700d are basically the same camera from my (stills, don't forget) point of view. (actually DX0 mark show a slight progressive decrease in all of the areas they measure sensore values fwiw..)
I have invested in a number of canon lenses so jumping ship to a D7100 is not without it's price (and the Nikon lenses don't do it for me for their price..) and whilst I would be happy to go higher up the Canon range, I am disappointed that even the 6d doesn't have many of the features that even the D7100 has..(or 700d in some cases..)
So, I will do nothing, and see what 2013 brings and continue to sit on the fence but basically I am extremely disappointed at Canon's (almost) disrespect towards customers..
To be honest I was expecting some "critical analysis" from DPR about Canon releasing the same camera again (admittedly with *some" video/liveview improvements) with the emphasis on the critical! (perhaps a comparative table of where other manufacters have put som effort in..)
d3xmeister: Comprison widget, and gallery slideshow not compatible with iOS. really dpreview, are you in 2013 or 2006 ?
yes, 2013 and Apple still does not support flash...
bobbarber: Oh, God, here comes everybody making excuses already for the IQ.
This looks like a great camera, and I shoot m43. The reason to buy a DSLR is not IQ, but performance.
Remember film? Absolutely no difference in "sensors", but people still paid more for cameras that performed. That's what's going on here. You can stop already with the breathless analysis of what you found or didn't find pixel-peeping.
A bit of an unjustified statement in my opinion, most people buy a DSLR to get better IQ..
I presume if Canon can do this to, what is basically, a 600d, then they could perform equal size reductions in the next generation 6D?
I am very interested in this, but initial pricing I see online doesn't show any advantage over a 650d.. (or 600d still for sale..)
raizans: Olympus already tried the tiny DSLR thing before concluding that mirrorless was the way to go. I guess Canon didn't get the memo. ;)
maybe they decided that the guy who wrote the memo didn't really think it through or have the lens/existing customer base to make it a viable proposition.. Things look different when you have the volume customer base like canon seem to do.
I like it, I have Canon lenses I can use on it. I already have an Olmypus EPL-2 but have not bought any other lenses as I don't want to invest in another lens series and actually I bought it as my P&S camera, but this product from canon could really work for me and I guess i'm not the only one.
I could not care less about a "vari-angle" rear screen, I am only interested in aan optical viewfinder, that's it.
If it's a decent price (i.e. cheapee than a 650 or 600d) itz will be replacing my main camera (500d) in the next replacement cycle..
Shame they splashed "33ft" over the front of it, most of the planet won't understand what the hell they're talking about.. (Unless there's a metric version :-)
JustDavid: Guys, sorry, but you really need to work on your priorities. How is this more important then finishing the K-30 and other reviews? It is interesting, but certainly not an A1 priority. You have stuff to catch up with
Actually, having tried the filters, they don't quite work as I expected, it shows acceessory reviews.. (like the "Nimbus Cloud Dome "...)
Would it be possible to add a filter category "Camera Reviews"!
Actually I hadn't noticed that, and it is very useful. Thanks!
so why not invest that money in something considered more fundamental to what DPReview is known for? (or did something change..? :-) Probably..
Actually, there are so many of these articles i'm having difficulty weeding them out from the ones i'm actually interested in...,
Please , if you are going to quote units of weight and length in your articles can you consistently use metric equivalents too.
Without getting into the politics of using units that most of the planet doesn't, a huge % of your user base will simply have zero idea what a weight of 11oz actually is? (err, like me.. :-)
gl2k: Nikon wants to surprise the market. Mission accomplished.I was very surprised to see a totally outdated version of Android (2.3) on a brand new device.
There are a number of new devices with Android 2.3 (Samsung S6802 for example). I guess the HW reqts are too high...
Brad Morris: I wonder how long it will take Apple to sue Nikon for Patent infringements?
Some of the patents that the US patent office has awarded apple (e.g. multi-point camera focusing system for multitouch-equipped devices) are just plain ludicrous, so I imagine it's not long...
Jim Scarff: I bought one shortly after it came out and LOVE it. My previous bag was a Lowepro Roadrunner AW which I still have, but very rarely use now. I bought the Kiboko 30L for international travel, but now use it all the time. The Roadrunner AW has wheels and is very secure....but very heavy (15+ lbs.?) The Kiboko 30L is about 4 pounds - a huge benefit.
I travel with a Canon 400mm DO lens, a 70-300mm L, 1.4X TC, a 7D and a 60D cameras, a medium weight carbon fiber tripod, flash, 18-135mm lens, etc. No problem fitting that all in/on the bag with quick access to everything.
The biggest challenge I see in travel outside the U.S. is the common 7 kg (15 lbs) weight limit for carry-on baggage. My experience is airlines enforce this. With the Kiboko I can pack my 2 cameras, and lenses and still be under. Plus although it is slightly longer than international length limits, it is soft and can easily be compressed to fit into the allowed volume. Never had a problem.
I have been frequently flying around europe for 20 years (business and pleasure) and have been repeatedly pulled up for excess weight of hand baggage... (Swiss Airlines mostly..)
It's less now that you print your own boarding cards (and hence don't have to check-in at the airport) but i've even had the case taken off my at the gate when the plane was full of business people who always bring too much stuff in their hand luggage plus laptop etc and they were struggling to fit it all in the overhead lockers..
I wouldnt' want my camera gear going in the hold withoutit being in a secure or padded case..
davidgp: I've been tracking the comments here for severals days... lots of statements such as "the 550 image quality is clearly better than the 650" as well as "Nikon D3200 image quality is clearly better than the 650."
After looking at the samples a lot (JPG and RAW), I've found examples where, to my eye, any one of the three cameras is the winner (yes, even the 650). Though, speaking as a totally unbiased 550 owner, I do think the 550 won most often, then followed by the Nikon D3200.
But seriously, I don't see that the IQ of any of these three cameras is notably better than the others, such that it ought to drive a purchase decision. Among these cameras, I'd make my choice on features rather than IQ.
I agree, but whereas the D3200 and the 550D were clearly evolutionary steps from their predecessors, what exactly is the 650D? And, should we really be comparing with the 600D? (although I agree the 550D is possibly going to be cheaper, but here in switzerland it's there's only $25 difference between the 550d body and the 600D body or $50 for the kit (18-55)
The moment I saw the 650d specs I wondered who this was trying to please, clearly no really significant improvement in photography "features" but clearly some improvment in the video area (but I don't care). Also, the new sensor type (like with the new S100..) is arguably a step back in some ways..
The final review is going to be very interesting..
dmanthree: Well, at least DP Review is outsourcing their camera reviews now. But I haven't seen a new lens review in quite some time. Time to rename the site?
Regarding re-introducing lens reviews later this year, I specifically remember the same statement last year..
Anyway, I hope it's true..