Peter Gregg: How do you know if a lens like this will work on Canon's new 70D. Canon has list of "approved" lenses for a reason. With 3rd party lenses work on the new Canon 70D?
Seems to me that Canon's "interface" from camera to lens is not new (e.g. the STM lenses have been out for a while) and that the 3rd party manufacturers will have little difficulty figuring out any (unlikely) small changes..
h2k: I think you should post less of these links to nice pictures. They distract from your core business and DPR is not needed to find pictures like these (nice landscapes).
I also think you should post less of these sentences: "a gallery of 12 stunning images..., including a shot taken by dpreview contributor ..."
I disagree. The point is that it is explained (a link..) how the photos were taken, the problems faced and the techniques used.
I am defintely interested in that because I'd like to take pictures like that (someday..)
At least it's far more interesting than cellphone cameras & endless discussion from fanboys about "their" toys etc etc etc...
Some people are just never happy.... :-(
Amazing set of pics and, yes, I want to go there even more than I did before!
cmvsm: How does the Canon score a Gold Award at 78%, yet the Nikon D5200 scored 79%, but received a Silver Award? Furthermore, all other cameras reviewed within the last year, that scored a 79 or above, all received Gold Awards, except for the Nikon D5200.
I really could care less either way, just trying to understand DVR's scoring/rating system, as its a bit inconsistent.
The system used by DP is confusing a lot of people, and understandably in my opinion: giving a percentage and then silver/gold and then saying they don't apply across almost identical categories is a recipe for failure - people obviously want to compare across classes of camera, specifically in the IQ area!
Similarly, any given rating is only valid for the release date, and clearly won't apply 10 years later.
Anybody have a solution? automatic degradation of results depending on latest result..?
BTW, I would argue that the SL1 and D5200 are in the identical class!
nofumble: Canon will loose money on this one for sure. It is smaller than the standard Rebel but few mm difference is not going to sway any buyer's mind. By end of the year, you will see a 50% price-drop like the EOS-M.
I will not consider this type of camera until Canon add an EVF (mirror got to go). Meanwhile, my money is going to the other brands who offer smaller size, flexibility, and better low light image quality.
Actually, i haven't seen one EVF that I remotely like, awful mostly.., so actually I think having an EVF is a negative selling point in this class
Mikhail Tal: Giving a gold star for this camera is a joke. It's literally the worst current DSLR there is. The lack of articulating screen alone should make it a complete afterthought. The only people who will buy this camera are complete suckers.
i have no interest in either an articulated screen or liveview, I doubt that I am alone in this...
gnewsch: What's the deal with the US shipping only? You'd think that an e-commerce giant like Amazon would have the know-how to help set up an international shop from the start. That would have been vastly more interesting than this test run in a market that is already saturated with a lot of good online shopping camera stores.
Amazon UK denied once that this was the reason (and which would arguably be illegal under EU law as I was going to make a formal complaint) and warranties have to be EU -wide anyway..
They used to send abroad (US and Uk..) but now it seems that everything is getting worse with Amazon and I have to rely on amazon partners that may send to international destinations..
(but partners are useless, if they are still around, when there's a problem...)
mpgxsvcd: Finally, Canon got back into the game.
Actually I never had any focussing issues, ever. So it's not really a big deal for me personally and I wonder what percentage of people did have focussing issues? I also don't think that the introduction of this new technology is done for stills, but for video which I couldn't personally care less about.
Don't see any "photographic" improvements, just stuff for video/liveview..?
Plus it seems extra features such as twin SD slots are even missing from this enthusiast model...
RStyga: I do not follow the review priorities of this site. You spend time reviewing a camera like D20 and skip reviewing other much more important ones. This looks bad... almost "dodgy". Shape up a bit, please.
well "timely" in the sense it's nearly summer (33 degrees C today in Switzerland :-), but not "timely" in that this particular camera was announced in Feb 2012..
Very disappointing european prices, $800 is around 600 euros which makes 720 euros with 20% sales tax, not 1000 euros as announced!!
Ah well, will keep the grey importers busy..
panos_m: I thought it would be much more expensive. I was wrong. It make a lot more sense now against a FF with a 24-70 f/2.8. It gives APS-C a big boost.
ADDED: At this price exposes other lens manufactures on their pricing policy.
and arguably their strategy towards quality lenses..
I can get that it's a pretty good and cheap prime for a 6D/5D, but it's mostly being sold as packages with the 100d/60d/700D which somehow doesn't make sense..?
Anyway, good to have a lens review :-)
fz750: To be honest I was expecting some "critical analysis" from DPR about Canon releasing the same camera again (admittedly with *some" video/liveview improvements) with the emphasis on the critical! (perhaps a comparative table of where other manufacters have put som effort in..)
Seems to me that since the 550d Canon have put little effort into the stills side of this range of camera and have only worked on the video capabilities, which do not interest me to be honest. (I include liveview in that, as I don't use it..)
I suspect a sizeable majority of people here are more interested in the stills side, not video, but perhaps we are not really representative of the greater market..
I hope that Canon's rumoured 70D event in July(?) is going to be more than a makeover..
As I said, I invested in canon lenses. I also don't like electronic viewfinders much which kind of screws up getting a sony or 4/3 :-) I have an Olympus EPL-2 for snapshots which is pretty good but..
Bottom line: I actually like using my Canon 500d - i'd be happy using a 700d if I thought it justified the outlay but I don't. I invested in lenses and prefer to stay in the canon eco-system, but am a bit let down by what Canon options I have available at the moment - all based on 4 year old sensors and lacking in features that competitors have..
Rubbish! Most of the people here are not average "tech consumers" and (due to DPR) are well aware what competitors have been rolling out (sony: new technology, Nikon: advances in sensors and features, for example, never mind Olympus's impressive 4/3 !!)
The 550d-600d-650d-700d are basically the same camera from my (stills, don't forget) point of view. (actually DX0 mark show a slight progressive decrease in all of the areas they measure sensore values fwiw..)
I have invested in a number of canon lenses so jumping ship to a D7100 is not without it's price (and the Nikon lenses don't do it for me for their price..) and whilst I would be happy to go higher up the Canon range, I am disappointed that even the 6d doesn't have many of the features that even the D7100 has..(or 700d in some cases..)
So, I will do nothing, and see what 2013 brings and continue to sit on the fence but basically I am extremely disappointed at Canon's (almost) disrespect towards customers..
To be honest I was expecting some "critical analysis" from DPR about Canon releasing the same camera again (admittedly with *some" video/liveview improvements) with the emphasis on the critical! (perhaps a comparative table of where other manufacters have put som effort in..)
d3xmeister: Comprison widget, and gallery slideshow not compatible with iOS. really dpreview, are you in 2013 or 2006 ?
yes, 2013 and Apple still does not support flash...
bobbarber: Oh, God, here comes everybody making excuses already for the IQ.
This looks like a great camera, and I shoot m43. The reason to buy a DSLR is not IQ, but performance.
Remember film? Absolutely no difference in "sensors", but people still paid more for cameras that performed. That's what's going on here. You can stop already with the breathless analysis of what you found or didn't find pixel-peeping.
A bit of an unjustified statement in my opinion, most people buy a DSLR to get better IQ..
I presume if Canon can do this to, what is basically, a 600d, then they could perform equal size reductions in the next generation 6D?
I am very interested in this, but initial pricing I see online doesn't show any advantage over a 650d.. (or 600d still for sale..)
raizans: Olympus already tried the tiny DSLR thing before concluding that mirrorless was the way to go. I guess Canon didn't get the memo. ;)
maybe they decided that the guy who wrote the memo didn't really think it through or have the lens/existing customer base to make it a viable proposition.. Things look different when you have the volume customer base like canon seem to do.
I like it, I have Canon lenses I can use on it. I already have an Olmypus EPL-2 but have not bought any other lenses as I don't want to invest in another lens series and actually I bought it as my P&S camera, but this product from canon could really work for me and I guess i'm not the only one.
I could not care less about a "vari-angle" rear screen, I am only interested in aan optical viewfinder, that's it.
If it's a decent price (i.e. cheapee than a 650 or 600d) itz will be replacing my main camera (500d) in the next replacement cycle..