Really nice camera, but with additional Visoflex EVF you pushing $3000 mark and thats a bit crazy. But price aside, only 1/2000 shutter speed and I would also like wifi on p&s camera. (still good job Leica, especially the design)
We have a "live feed" from the Nikon booth at the show: "what is it Jimmy?" "you can hear a pin drop!?" Excellent news, well done Nikon.
MSRP is $1195, not too bad, only $300 difference from Panasonic model.Resale value will be better on Leica, while grip comfort will be better on Pana.
BarnET2: Why on earth does Zeiss want $949,- on a simple 1920 based designhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-Gauss_lens#mediaviewer/File:DoubleGauss1text.svg
The OPIC from taylor and obson from 1920 looks very similar.So no R&D in lens design nor in mechanics since it has no AF nor IS.
I just can't fathom where the money has gone too here.
@Barn,just because Zeiss is capable shoving 15 elements inside a lens, doesn't mean they should do it for every lens they make. You are looking for a problem to your solution.50mm f2 is perfectly fine with DG design 6 elements. If you want to add speed, then sure add few more elements, if you want to add more angle, sure add more elements to deal with distortions, etc…Zeiss has Schott glass in their lenses, its pretty much what Leica also uses or has been using. (colors, tonality, micro contrast are all better)
Gesture: Wished they had gone one step further and had a small LCD display where you go review the images and folders.
those devices called Epson Multimidia Storage Viewer, I bought one of those 10 years ago and it still works just fine and has an amazing display.
BarnET2,There are different glass manufacturers, and some are better than others, like Schott glass from Germany.So that, plus tighter tolerances, possible slightly better mechanics/materials will be a welcome feature for some. For some people even slight advantage in any of those features are good enough reason to spend more $$$. To me for example, if this lenses will match optical performance of ZM line, plus electronic contacts, plus click less aperture, makes for a good buy. (but me 8 years ago will probably agree with you)
Well, there is nothing strange about it.Double Gauss is one of the best lens designs ever made and some of the worlds most expensive lenses are based on this design. (as well as the worlds cheapest lenses).Most of the Canon and Nikon long tele, that cost $2-3K are based on even older Triplet design (modified triplet). Many still use modified Sonnar, Ernostar etc… (btw, that Opic lens you are talking about will cost you around $3000 today)
Most of my lenses are DG design. Many use DG today, so the price is not about the design, the price is about Glass formula, materials and tolerances.
P.S. the bicycle is also very old design, but you still pay $5000 for a very nice specimen, don't you?
no one gives a duck about taking pictures, give us new camera…
vivanchenko: And speaking about propaganda, numbers of people killed and contribution made by different nations one must remember that the USSR and Russia are not the same thing. For instance, Ukraine had to sacrifice more people than the US and the UK put together. Unlike Russia and most other nations excluding Germany almost all of Ukraine and Belarus lay in ruins back then.
It is amazing how western intellectuals avoid influence of sophisticated western propaganda and how easily they fall pray to the very primitive propaganda coming from Moscow. The Russians term them rather aptly as "useful fools" and useful fulls they are.
I agree with your statement. Do yo know why people believe Moscow and don't believe US? Its quiet simple. Almost anything America does is transparent and wide open for anyone to see. And even when its not its eventually out, due to the democracy. Its really easy to judge country that has no secrets and you can easily spin any actions US takes as negative. US often being accused of double standards, true, its easy, imagine you being watch 24/7 by the world, everything you do and say will be analyzed by everyone. And to complicate things US has Liberal and Uber Conservative TV, so its really easy for US enemies to present US as evil. If I was watched 24/7, I'm sure 80% of the world would hate me.
And on the other side we have Russia, almost dictatorship, no accountability, no transparency, almost all media is state run. Full corruption and no opposition. You can watch russian channels for month and never once you will hear a joke about Putin. So you have illusion of greatness.
vivanchenko: By the way, one of the two guys who raised the real thing, when fighting was not over yet, was Georgian.
The Jacal: I love it when I see a news story about anything Soviet / Russian. So many people, usually Merkans, start chest beating and critcising anything they can, from 'it was staged', 'he was wearing seventeen watches', 'the Americans won the war', 'the British were useless'.
The Cold War is over, feel free to ignore the propaganda.
This picture is not much different form picture of Nazi solders parading thru France. This picture represents death and horror for millions of Eastern Europeans. If Nazi is 10, USSR is 9.5 on Evil scale.
But the scary part this this picture is still relevant. While Germany and Japan publicly acknowledged and apologized and even in some cases compensated$ for their mistakes in history, Soviets never did. On contrary they up and kicking again. Military Parades and speeches about Empire are back. President himself talks about greatness of USSR.
There is nothing wrong to reminisce about the Empire of Evil, its not propaganda its the truth, so people don't forget, because some people in Russia already forgot, and look whats happening in Ukrane now.
Regarding "European Socialism", it was a sarcasm. You have no Socialism in France. Unless you can prove me, that lets say 50,000 Bretons were killed by French Parliament and buried and a shallow mass grave somewhere in Loire Valley in 1979.
First of all, I'm not just American, I'm also Russian. I spent 50% of my life in USSR and 50% in US. And what does my nationality or my origin has to do with being right or wrong?
I know its easy to be all anti-American now a days, nobody likes strong, transparent giant. It feels almost nobel to protect poor Soviets, just because they lost cold war. Big American propaganda machine against Socialism, you asking us to ignore? No, because that propaganda did not even scratch the surface of atrocities Soviets committed.
You know that this picture is/was printed in school books for 3rd graders, and they teach you all the lies. They tell you how peaceful USSR was, how Socialism and Communism is all about peace, how we help our neighboring countries. And they make you believe that this picture is truly worth those 30 millions that we lost during the war, because we were innocent bystanders, leaving details like invading Poland, Finland, Baltic States, planning to get whole Europe.
Vadimka: who did he have to kill for this camera? :) I mean literally, who?
yes, you got it
When I talk about European "Socialism" I use " in front and " at the end. So what I mean its really not socialism. What you have in France and England is a Capitalism with more hints of humanity than we have in US. Its not socialism at all.
You did not hit any nerve, my skin is thicker than that.
All I'm saying Western Europeans should be happy that US, British and Canadian troops came as far as they did. So should be South Kereans, (and I know they are happy, and US troops still there standing still). You know American propaganda, doesn't scare me a bit, nor does american lifestyle.
I know its probably cool and hip to be all nice and fuzzy about Soviets, being born and raise in Western Europe. But let me tell you this is not, its empire of evil for a reason, lets just leave it at that.
I hope you know that Hammer and Sickle and the Earth on the back ground is not just a cute picture, its actually a modo. If you read Carl Marks you would find that communism will only work under one condition, it has to start simultaneously all over the earth. And if that not enough you can simply read what it says below the hammer, it says, "Bolsheviks of all countries in the world unite". So yes, this is the plan and always was. If you think that Communist have been spreading to China, Korea, Vietnam, Africa, Cuba just for fun you are mistaken.
If you think people in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Romania, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Caucasus, North Korea, many in China, Cuba, just to name a few, if you think those people had fun with Communists, think again. My family certainly did not and we were lucky to survive unlike millions that didn't make it.So please don't you dare to compare so called "Socialist" France and GB to Socialist USSR and its slave countries.
Well I was born in 1970s and half of my life spend in USSR. So let clarify this - YES everything Communist, Socialist and Bolshevik is evil.
Don't confuse European so called "Socialism" with Russian Socialism as a prequel to Communism. Its like night and day, no comparison.
Please don't let American right wing conservative agenda cloud your mind. We, most of Americans, love your European "socialism" and want to get there one day and if you would live in America for even few weeks you would realize this. Most of the media in the US, is pretty liberal. Of course sitting in France or Russia and watching cut offs from American FOX news you might think that US people are morons (and you would be partially right, because those channels have only 3 million of elderly audience)
Books? yes because its in a book it must be true!? :) If Natzi Germany wouldn't have attacked USSR, all of Europe would have been speaking Russian by 1943. USSR had plans to attack Europe, I hope you know that?
I mean c'mon, seriously? You saying "ignore the propaganda", while defending photo of the propaganda. Do you know how many thousands of Russian soldiers had to die unnecessarily, in order for this picture to be taken? I know many families who lost their loved ones in last weeks of war, just so the communist propaganda machine could claim that they captured the Reichstag, so they can claim the East Germany, Poland, Chechoslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Baltic states etc…
So whether this picture was staged or not is irrelevant - because the whole story that this picture represents is a lie.
(and I'm russian, so I can say this)
who did he have to kill for this camera? :) I mean literally, who?
They will sell few of those, very few. FF horrible, m4/3 is ok, but you have much better options for those. Oh and f&*&^*&^ Putin ;) I'm russian myself, but I hate those commie bast*rds...
The reason this camera went for so low, was because of the auction house. Not very well known place to buy a rare camera.