Boris F: Nice camera, top IQ, cheers Oly!Personally, as OMD EM-5 owner, I'll wait for OMD EM-7 with a next generation sensor, HDR, focus peaking and WIFI. For now, I like my E-M5.
Sometimes not getting focus even DSLR does that. So yes it happens but it's the nature of the beast.
Personally, very tempted to get the e-m1 but knowing oly there will be an e-m5 replacement that improves on it rather soon. So... as there isn't anything I regularly do that needs the e-m1 features I am waiting and seeing if there would be a price drop.
thx1138: I'm surprised to see so many having a laugh at Lytro. Clearly most people don't understand what they have done, and actually capturing more than just the image intensity and capturing the directional light vectors impinging on the sensor is a big deal. Sure the product at this stage is very limited in scope, but this whole field of computational photography is about to explode and has uses that will be very welcome down the track. Let us say it's an active research field.
We'll stop laughing when one of the large firms makes a usable computational camera. Till then we'll roll on the floor as much as we like. ;)
What you don't get is that people are not laughing at the technology. They are laughing at the idiots who thinks this alpha version would sell.
People don't seem to like Eric Kim much around here...
Not too surprised. I have wonder why he's even known on the internet for a while now. I mean yeah it might be the infinite monkey effect but I don't see much from him that you can't find on flickr. The exception are where he has stuck a camera in someone's face and they are unhappy and trying to hide or block the camera's view. Great, when do we see him with his teeth knocked out like Ron Galella?
KeeChiuPeng: People have to manage their expectations when comparing a 6D to a 5D3 which is 1.5x the cost of a 6D. You get what you paid for.
They left out way too much. Why such a low flash sync speed? Even the lowly rebel has a slightly faster flash sync. It's badge engineering at work and if the car companies are anything to go by it's a bad idea in the long run.
gotak: One thing I have noticed on various forums is that O-MD users tends to post photos that really wow me.
This has nothing to do with how good the camera is taking photos in the sense of measurable IQ. Rather I think it's the demographics of the typical O-MD user, and how portable the camera is. That and the quality glass you can get (I love the pana 25 f1.4).
When I was thinking about getting it I really had to debate (1k is not pocket change). I already have a full canon kit with 2 bodies and full set of lenses. The weight sucks but I sucked it up when I wanted to shoot and just carry it with me.
I asked a friend about it and he said he sold his full frames and now only have his O-MD and M9. He also said he was 100% confident I would love the camera. And he was right. There isn't anything out there that allows the same level of freedom for on the hoof photography. If you like to travel or go out doors I don't know of anything else that gives you as much photography joy as the O-MD.
I'd challenge that NEX users to come out and shoot in the rain with me.
You need to look at the full package.
As for DOF. That just makes me laugh. Bokeh obsession is such a newbie thing and really points to the alternate meaning to that Japanese phase. That of the fuzzy mind instead of the fuzzy back ground.
To be honest yes I can get bokeh, because a leica formula f1.4 lens is only 500 dollars. And to be serious I like being able to shoot at f1.4 and still get enough things in focus for my photos to work. That way I can actually use that f1.4 in low light. On a FF sure f1.4 would blur out a lot of stuff but if I want stuff in focus I have to close the aperture and jack the ISO.
Seriously, think first before you write...
marike6: EM-5 is an OK camera, the D800 (and 5D III) are great cameras. It's clear that fanboys were out in full force in the voting as nobody who has used both the D800 and EM-5 would EVER vote for the EM-5 as best anything. Smallest, yes. Best IQ, not even close. Best AF, not by a long shot. Best build quality, again no.
ISO 1600 on the D800 looks close to base ISO on the EM-5. And the AF system of the D800 is head and shoulders above the EM5 which couldn't track a moving subject to save it's life. As a video camera, no 24p makes the EM-5 extremely limited, whereas the 5D III and D800 are the standard setters for HDSLR video. So exactly what is the EM-5 best at? I can't think of anything when compared to the 5D3 or D800.
m43 fans are crowing because the EM5 can finally approach the IQ of 5 year old sensors in the Canon APS-C Rebel/600D. If that's the best, I'm Ansel Adams.
The O-MD is exactly what some of us need for travel/out doors and general walk around photography.
It would be extremely narrow minded to think high ISO, AF tracking and resolution are the only measures of how useful a camera is.
Reading your post it seems like you are missing the point. And I think likely you haven't tried using one for a week before you make up your mind on it.
I know a few friends who sold their full frame kits and now only use the O-MD. And these are guys who have used 5Ds, D3S etc etc. They all unanimously told me to buy the O-MD.
Why the O-MD makes sense isn't because you get amazing pixel peeping quality out of it. It is exactly the camera to fit the old saying of the best camera is the one you have with you.
It isn't fanboyism to say something is good in use. It is being a fanboy if you point to a spec sheet or things like ISO noise measurements and play top trumps. Because you are closing your mind to the possibility that you too might like what's on offer.
I think you need to look at photos people are making (not at the pixel level) before you poo poo this camera.
One thing I have noticed on various forums is that O-MD users tends to post photos that really wow me.
tkbslc: Some people are a bit too hung up on the term "Best Camera". They seem to think it means the one with the highest resolution or the fastest fps burst. But that's no more true than saying the "best car" has to be the Bugatti Veyron. Sure it's fast, but it's too freaking expensive, sucks for dirt roads and where do the kids sit? Best just means "best for my set of requirements". The fact that the Olympus won means many people consider the best camera to be one that has good enough image quality, good enough portability and a attainable price. Much like how the Motor Trend 2012 car of the year was the VW Passat. I doubt it has the highest specs in any category, but it's a cool, yet practical car many people can afford.
It does give some insight for manufacturers.
Most people ask their friend who takes photos what camera to get. I actually turn a friend onto the O-MD over the black fridays sales when he was considering getting a point and shoot lumix.
If the experienced shooters thinks it's good they will tell people when asked. It's as simple as that.
AlexMart: All very expensive cameras. I believe doing great very expensive cameras is much easier than making good cameras at a great price.I'm sure the Olympus is a great camera, but very pricey and of a doubtful value.
Which other manufacturer sells you a new fully weather sealed body and kit lens for about 1000 dollars? That you can carry with you everywhere without body pains?
The value of the O-MD is basically that it's a great camera to go places that you wouldn't take the heavy kit to at a cost that doesn't break the bank.
I know a few people who sold their FF kits because after getting the O-MD they stopped using their FF.
Frankly for me I am seriously considering selling my canon kit and replacing with a full compliment of m43 lenses and such.
DigitalVista: In Japan the OMD has 3% market share in the mirrorless class, Sony Nex5 has 10% Nex 7 has 3.5 and Nex3 has 4.4.
Amazon top sellers as of today: OMD 18th, while 4 four different Sony Nex cameras enjoy being in the top ten, with the 5r at number two.
LOL. The O-MD isn't a mirrorless for your average folk.
5D3 and D800 sales number pales in comparison to rebels and DXXXX DSLRs as well. I don't see you pooping on their parade either.
Seems your manhood might be tied to which camera wins...
TrapperJohn: Calling it the 'best' is a stretch, D800, 5DIII will unquestionably produce better shots, but the EM5 is definitely the most significant product of 2012. It marks the time when mirrorless in general and M43 in particular moved from P&S upgrade into seriously challenging the midrange APS DSLR's, with its combination of tiny size, great sensor and the wicked sharp fast primes.
What the EM5 has done for me is reduce much of the drudgery of using high end gear (size, weight, profile), while not losing much in the way of capability. It doesn't drag you down the way a full dslr setup will, and does not draw attention - you almost have to hit someone over the head with an EM5 to get them to notice it. It's like casting off a ball and chain - literally.
Ugh. a Full frame fix lens camera that cost as much as a real full frame? Yes it's significant because it shows what early adopters would put up with and pay hard cash for. Otherwise it's going to be another "did you remember this camera" on some webpage in a few years times.
Acrill: Two things here:
- Why mention a negative about the E-M5 and not about he other two cameras?
- Why not put the winner at the top of the page?
Disappointed in how DPReview handled this.
The menu is a bit annoying but not that much worse than the full menu in any canon DSLR. Would be nice to be able to add items to a quick menu like on canon cams. But oh well it's not like I need to make changes every day.
It focus fine for vast majority of what people use cameras for. To be completely honest my 7D's on single shot AF 98% of the time anyhow. On an everyday basis the O-MD and my 7Ds do not feel any different in use. Except I can see what exposure I am going to get before I hit the shutter.
If you haven't used an O-MD you don't know it's strength and weakness. The talks about AF is just dogma.