I like the look of this, but not until the price comes down in.
We knew this one was in the pipeline for some time so the main things to look at today are price and weight. IQ will come later, and I expect it to be top-notch. The price is what I was expecting, so no complaints there. At 880g it weighs more than I was hoping for, so I'm on the fence about it. My E-m5/grip with this would be almost as heavy as my 6D/70-200f4IS. I know the merits of each and don't want to start another debate, but for me the main reason to use M43 is to save on weight, so I think I may go for the panasonic 35-100 f2.8 instead.
The faux leather around the pentaprism area and on the dial on the front looks horrid, especially on the silver model. Otherwise I think it looks ok, if a bit on the chunky side.
I'm not fond of the labels nor the long-winded nature of the piece, but I agree with the gist of it. It used to be easier to choose when there was less choose from.
Not exactly a guarantee is it?
shademaster: Who would choose this over OM-D???
The silver one kind of is, It was the I'd decided on, until I saw it close up
iaredatsun: I'm not clear whether a user has to keep updating* their software.
If you dont want to update what happens to your subscription. Will I end up paying more for the software after X years of use than if I had paid for it outright at the start?
*I generally hate updates as they rarely add anything useful and sometimes make interfaces worse (CS6, adobe!).
I don't give a monkey's about clouds. Take 'em or leave 'em.
As it stands, you only upgrade when you want to. Though not upgrading defeats the purpose of the subscription.
I don't have to always have the latest versions in my line of work. But, if I fall too far behind it eventually catches me out. Not being able to open files supplied to me becomes an issue. This has been the case for the past 20+ years. I've gone from illustrator 3 to 6 to 8 to 10 to CS3 to CS6.
The most recent of which is as part of the cloud subscription. As others have mentioned the term cloud is misleading. You download the software and use it as before. The software isn't on the cloud nor do you have to save your files there. My internet is poor, so if it ever goes that way, I'll be in trouble.
So, as I upgrade every 2 or 3 versions anyway, it makes sense to me. I like paying as I go rather than shelling out the lot at once. Some are saying that they have us by the 'you know whats' but haven't they always? some of us anyhow, that's my point.
To sum up, I like the creative 'cloud' as it is now, but I'm a little uneasy about what lays ahead.
Had this been available 18 months ago, I probably would have got one and not gone the M43 route (for a travel-light system). I'm not that bothered about the size, the weight is key for me. That being said, to take advantage of the light weight, I'd still have to leave my bigger Canon lenses at home, so for that purpose it may as well be a different system. Actually if Canon had a an EF-S prime in the region of 21mm that weighed under 200g, I'd have bought a 550D back then. I still think this will sell well though.
Function over form every time, though form isn't unimportant to me.
Sounds good to me, I don't see how more choice is a bad thing, especially for those that don't already have a 24-70 or 24-105. I am surprised it's more expensive than its 70-200 equivalent though.
Going by the UK price this is going to be 300 euros more than the 5D2. If you really want Wifi, GPS, better low-light AF with centre point, prefer SD cards to CF and don't want an 'old' camera, I suppose it's worth that premium. Also, we still have to see the photos from it, though I doubt they'll an improvement on the 5D 2 or 3, but we'll see. Anyhow it's probably not for me. If I had to buy a new body before the end of the year I'd rather save money with a 5D2 or splash out on a 5D3.
StevenE: I have a 5DII and a good set of lenses. But in this round of new cameras I'll probably spring for a Panasonic GH3 and a couple of teeny tiny lenses for a great portable video/photo package.
"APS-C will always be better than m4/3" With cameras of the same generation perhaps, the G3 and 450D certainly aren't that!
vin 13: The most important factor about photographing landscapes in the West of Ireland is luck with the weather. Assuming you know what you're doing of course.
I'm all for planning ahead, though I think this guy is thinking too much! From experience, I believe that you need to be prepared to get the shot at any time (at your chosen time of day), going back and getting ideal conditions is a luxury that usually can't be afforded.
Carsten, that's more or less what I meant. I'm saying that the weather in the west of Ireland is a less predictable than somewhere like say southern Utah. I've made the 4 hour drive, and had nothing but driving rain, despite met eireann predicting otherwise and not just once! However it can unexpectedly clear up for a few minutes without warning, you just don't know what you're going to get.
The most important factor about photographing landscapes in the West of Ireland is luck with the weather. Assuming you know what you're doing of course.
JadedGamer: As has been said countless times, the best camera in the world is the one you have with you there and then.
Saying "what wonderful photos, you must have a really professional camera" is on the level with saying "wonderful food, you must have a really advanced food processor" or "you run really fast, you must have really great shoes"...
try running a marathon in wellies!
Just seeing that additional rule now! Mine (16th) is Star Trek First Contact. The John Hancock Center could be something the Borg built!
I see a lot of comments wondering about who this is for. I'd suggest Canon has aimed at what perhaps is the typical Rebel shooter. Those who simply wanted a better images than a P&S. I would say that most, including those I know, shoot in auto exclusively, only with the kit lens and don't care about a viewfinder (There's nothing wrong with that and of course that doesn't mean all Rebel shooters do likewise!). I'd also say most would have preferred a smaller camera. Well now they have the choice at the same price as a 650D. The main thing I wonder about is no built in flash, but Sony have obviously got away with that. It should be included in the price though. So apart from the pricing, I think Canon have got it right. It's not for me though.