You can get the same result with the Sigma SD1, for MUCH cheaper. Same per-pixel sharpness, lower price.
Better result actually, because the SD1 has color information that can be used in B+W filtering. It can, of course, take color pictures too!
mr moonlight: I know this is just the Beta version of the software, but wow! Image quality on the Xpro1 looks like it blows the other cameras out of the water at all ISO's
Yeah these look terrible.
NR to hell. Mush.
I'm sure the camera is capable of better if they improve the algorithm.
KonstantinosK: I think it is THE most expensive APS-C camera right now but at least now it's priced to be sold down on planet Earth. The difference in the sale price is huge IMO and makes one wonder about the profit margins manufacturers want to achieve. Just how much this camera (or any camera) is really worth? 300 $?
They went record as having changed the manufacturing process, which took a year.
What the cost of manufacturing the SD1 was a year ago is NOT the same as the SD1m.
forpetessake: The pixel resolution and spatial transfer (MTF) are great, no one argues, but that is way too little to compete with similarly prices cameras. Colors are bad, noise is bad, handling is bad ... Foveon sensor technology is interesting, but Sigma has never achieved anything outstanding with that and unlikely will.
If you want more saturated colors, try downloading the raws and boosting it up. Looks great, so much info in the color channels.
If you don't like the white balance, you can change it to your taste. This cam has great colors.
cinefeel: Try downloading the RAWs.
As a studio/location strobe camera I think it is fully deserving of the score. Anything else and it would be much lower.
It's not designed to be an all-rounder.
Yeah, I think the idea of a DPR 'score' is pretty silly. At best it's like rating a camera as an all-rounder.
I would give the SD1 a 90% for some applications, and 20% for others!
I agree with you in principle, but the actual results seem to be the opposite.
Foveon looks more film-like than Bayer does in a number of ways. Strangely enough, to me the images from the X-Pro 1 look the least film-like of all. Fantastic images in their own way, but not film-like.
Of course, the layout of Bayer is not really like film either. No system based on a pixel grid can ever be quite like it. Film grain varies in size and is truly random in structure.
If I had to hazard a guess, it's the lack of interpolation that gives Foveon the film-like look. It would probably look even more film-like if the pixels were randomised in a manner similar to the X-Pro 1, only without interpolation.
I don't think Foveon will ever go mainstream, but it will continue to build a special niche in the particular areas at which it excels.
Try downloading the RAWs.
Kummik: Image quality might be awesome, but small sensor still has it's limitations. Achieveing a shallow DoF with the SD1 is much more difficult and it can't really be compared to 645D or even a FF sensor in that respect. I'm not familiar with the Foveon technology, but I haven't seen any examples how it performs with higher ISO, so not sure how it compares in terms of noise.
The DOF disadvantage is only a stop or so. Can be overcome pretty easily if need be in most cases.
Exactly. For some applications deep DOF is actually better.
Fashion, macro, landscape, art reproduction, product photography.
Foveon is only good at base ISO though, so it's for studio or tripod use.
Joseph S Wisniewski: I find it very ironic that the review emphasizes the lack of liveview, referring to it with the definite article "the missing feature".
I cannot fathom why, after a decade and five generations of Sigma DSLRs, there is no liveview. I've designed Foveon based industrial cameras: the on-chip "VPS" binning makes liveview easier to implement than any other sensor. They've been building Foveon P&S cameras for six years, and those have liveview. Why not the DSLRs?
Depends on how big you print!
But as we all know DPR is the land of pixel-peeping junkies, not people who print large.
I think it's an excellent NICHE pro camera. A lot of the comments here are from amateurs who want a camera that is the best all-purpose machine.
For fashion (in particular clothes more than beauty), product photography, bracket/stitch landscape, macro and art reproduction, this is the camera to beat.
Aside from true MF backs that are far more expensive.
Sigma should be congratulated for making a unique and special camera. I hope it will find its niche.
Adam Filipowicz: If you upsize the Sd1 photos to Nikon D800 size. its very close in detail. surprising actually
I haven't seen any example of an SD1 shot with objectionable luminance moire, even after shooting extensive fashion work with it.
I also have not had any metamerism issues.
I also own a D800 and have done print tests- I prefer the SD1 unless printing bigger than A2. I do find the edge rendering better, and I think that is one of the best features of Foveon.
cinefeel: Will be amazing to have one of these in your pocket with the upcoming DPm series!!
Same thing, but better lens, leaf shutter and super high flash sync speed. CDAF will give sharper critical focus, which is a godsend for infinity shots with this kind of sensor especially.
Ultra high quality lens optimised for the sensor, if the old DP series are anything to go by.
NO. the DP Merrill lenses are NOT the same as the m43/Nex sigmas.
They have a different number of elements. Look it up!
cinefeel: Stop the press.
The SD1 is actually MUCH closer to the 645D than I realised. This comparison is amazing:
I really think DPR should update their review to reflect this.
The SD1 doesn't show any hint of Moire either, which you can see in both labels on the 645D shot.
http://sergeevs.eu/?p=558 does not have good processing settings for the SD1 at all.
The real potential is this:http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1027&message=41207341
RedValley: One advantage of SD1 mentioned plenty of times is "smaller and lighter". Really?D800: 146 x 123 x 82 mm; 900gSD1: 146 × 114 × 80 mm; 790gI see they have the same width (which is the biggest of the 3 dimensions) and basically the same height.The weight factor is true considering the lens.SD1+ 17-50 = 1355gD800 + 24-70 = 1800g
But I wonder whether the D800 can do this:http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1027&message=41207341
Because the 645D is better than the M9?
And the lenses on the DPm series will be as good as pretty much any lens out there, if the older DP cameras are anything to go by. Also some people want the deepest possible DOF for macro, landscape or fashion, not the shallowness of FF or MF cameras.
Hard to deny that this SD1 vs 645D comparison image is impressive.
Stop the press.
Will be amazing to have one of these in your pocket with the upcoming DPm series!!
It's not quite as simple as that, though.
The D800 is a much more versatile camera, true, but the SD1 has a few advantages you haven't mentioned:
* not susceptible to moire (very important for fashion work)* foveon image feel (better edge rendering and texture)* smaller and lighter camera with smaller and lighter lenses
The foveon advantage is not only about resolution. Look at the older Sigmas and compare to other cameras- in many cases people will prefer to use their SD14/SD15 it even if they have a 5D2. Foveon has a special look to it when processed well that no other camera has. Subtle, but it's definitely there, especially viewed at 300dpi.
The real reason to by any Sigma camera is because you want the foveon look, and are willing to sacrifice other things to get it. Everything else is beside the point- Sigma is about unique low ISO IQ in controlled lighting, and it always has been.
JesperMP: To my eyes, at base ISO SD1 has a resolution that is somewhere between D800 and Pentax 645D. And no moiré in sight. That is pretty fine achievement. But the price is a smidgen higher than D800, and Nikon has the lenses, LV, write speed, AF, hi-res LCD etc. It will be a tough sell for Sigma.
I agree with Jesper.
SD1 detail rendering is somewhere between D800 and 645D, amazingly close especially in print.
Look at this:http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1027&message=41192043