@DPreview,On Page 7.Operation & Controls -> Auto ISOThe MFNR you described is not correct. In A77ii it does not just combining 3 frames of images.The Mutli-Frame Noise reduction in A77ii have two setting,With setting MFNR (High) it combine 12 frames of images.while setting MFNR (Low) it combine 4 frames of images.
In old A77 Mk1, there was only one setting in MFNR,which combine 6 frames of images.
You can check the "sequence length" value in EXIF data of the image
With the help of the faster processor Bionzx in A77ii, the MFNR processing time has been shorten a lots as well.
mgrum: I hate to say it again, but really what is the point of publishing a review a whole year after a camera is released? It's common elsewhere to have reviews written before a product hits the shelves. A year later and everyone who is seriously interested would either have bought it based on other reviews or decided to get something else.
It's a good job dpreview don't review films...
Although it is a little bit late.But I think dpreview has done a good review.They have tested & mention some good point, which is not included/tested in other review site.
PedroMZ: is it just me , the studio tests seem to show that the A77 produces noticeably softer images than the Canon and the A6000 even at low iso? I am puzzled by DP reviewer's comments that the images are very good at low iso,they certainly do not appear to be close to that of the above mentioned cameras. Just take a look at the Raws at iso 800. The A6000 beats it hands down. Either that or I need an optician's appointment.
They have explain it, it was the lens which made the difference.
Photoman: Would a A6000 w/70-200mm f4 G be a better sports combo than this?
A6000 is a nice camera, but not for indoor sport.
For A77ii, I use 70-200 2.8 most of the time and it focus great at in door. With 1 stop faster aperture, you get shallower DOF & lower noise.
For outdoor sport, I use 70-400G, or 150-600 for birding.Which is not available in e-mount & it will be poor balance if use with adapter.
SnakePlissken: It's a superficial thing, but why are Sony DSLRs so ugly? I had an A700 and it was very smart looking. I think Canon makes the smartest, most ergonomic looking DSLRs, Nikon cameras are also immediately identifiable by their styling and red flash on the grip, Pentax K3 cameras look very elegant and well made too. In contrast, Sony's DLSRs in the last few years look like they have melted in the sun and are just too lumpen.
I am sure they are fine to use of course and for all the bashing that goes on here, as usual, the classic, legendary photographers of yore (other than large format photographers) would die for any of the digital cameras on the market today and I am sure would not care a jot about offset microlenses and the like that seem to consume people on DPReview.
I think different people have different sense of beauty IMO, A77, A77II looks much much better than A700.
@Rishi..Just want to clarify, the MFNR in A77ii does not just average 3~4 frames. The Mutli-Frame Noise reduction in A77ii have two setting,With setting MFNR (High) it average 12 frames of images.while setting MFNR (Low) it average 4 frames of images.
In old A77 Mk1, there is only one setting in MFNR,which average 6 frames of images.
Peiasdf: The only thing I like about this review is the cheerleader on the last page. The camera is so meah I don't think it deserve an award.
Back when A77 & A65 was coming out, DSLT sounds exciting with all the advantage of PDAF, EVF and none of the slowness associated with EVIL/mirrorless. 4 years later, the best EVIL/mirrorless camera from each brand can all match DSLT in speed while DSLR extends it lead in IQ. Frankly I don't see a point with DSLT anymore.
I agree the AF speed of mirrorless camera has improved a lots recently,But at indoor, low light environment, the AF speed & reliability of SLT/DSLR still lots better than A6000/NX1.
hippo84: Those who compare A77-2 with 7D-2, don't forget, that 77-2 with great 16-50/2.8 costs less than 7DII body.
Yes, the review should also consider the price difference.A77ii + 16-50 F2.8 = $1,498 <-- sliver awardNX1 + 16-50 F2-2.8 = $2,799 <-- gold award in the same category
QuarryCat: the best thing is the tilt-able monitor.The worst are the lenses... not a single one is equal to Canon or even Nikon, prices are much higher, most lens-constructions are old.For me it seems a camera without lenses... there is not one single lens from Sony Alpha that I would like to have.
Sony should better invest all the power in one aps-c mirrorless-camera with big grip and fast action - a body like the Alpha 3000 with technic from Alpha 77 II and better sensor and less noise.... maybe even with 12-16 MP
Have you tried the 16-50 2.8 SSM ?70-300G2, 70-400G2, 85 1.4 ZA, 135 1.8 ZA, 135 2.8 STF?And you can use Sigma 18-35 F1.8 with IBIS.
refillable: Two possibilities. Either that DPR hates A-Mount for some strange reason (which is unlikely), or (if all the things said in the review are objectively true) this is a very good explanation for the abandoning of A-Mount by Sony. The D7200 is much better in many ways based on this review.
This review does not cover all the function of A77mk2.
IMO, The advantage of EVF is huge.You can display histogram, zebra pattern, MF peaking, shooting video, reviewing image in the EVF.
Also, a lots of functions are not included in the review.Such as, Multi-Frame noise reduction, HDR, DRO, swing-panorama, zebra pattern, peaking, clear zoom, smart-teleconverter, custom Range-limiter, etc.
Also, the 12fps & 8fps mode in A77ii is very useful for shooting fast action.
NX1 does have EVF, but the Auto-Focus speed & reliability at indoor or low light environment is never close A77ii.
A77ii SLT camera have the advantage of both world, EVF from mirrorless & AF speed of DSLR.
Stollen1234: hmm i thought Sony has the best sensors on the market?? then why this new camera is getting only 80%??!!
haha funny Sony
lhkjacky: It will be great, if Dpreview can include the Multi-frame noise reduction (high / low) in the studio scene comparison as well.
With the MFNR (low/high), it give more than 1 stop of noise advantage when shooting still object.
MFNR can be very useful sometimes.For example, shooting in the museum.Which is usually low light & not allow to use tripod...IMO, the in camera MFNR is quite clever.It not just align every shoots & it also eliminate those blur shoots.Also, it works on landscape as well,Although the moving leafs on the tree may show a little bit more noisier than non-moving part of the image.But it will not blur the moving leafs, like longer exposure...I have tried doing similar job in Photoshop, auto aligning 12 shoots & stacking, it require to takes a very long time to process.
lhkjacky: In the review, it said the AF eagerness to jump around in Lock-on AF.
Would you mind share what the AF Tracking Duration setting was?
Because, in my experience, the AF Tracking Duration setting does make a big difference.
Thank you for your reply. :-)It will be great, if you can feedback your experience to Sony.
I agree the AF algorithm are not perfect yet.This is their first SLT camera with 4D-focus. May be they will come with a firmware update on that issue.
iAPX: Compared to the Nikon D610 & D750, that seems to share a similar sensor, the Sony STL-A77 II seems to be incredibly noisy, with at least 2EV difference when putting it on ISO 1600 and D610 or D750 at ISO 6400!
Similar Sensor ??Full Frame 24 Mp has similar sensor as 24 mp APSC ???
Quote: A77mk2 AF performance: "it certainly subject tracks better than a 5D Mark III, which has little understanding of the subject other than the depth it was initially at and has no face detection AF at all, and even slightly better than the 7D Mark II's 'Intelligent Tracking and Recognition' (iTR). "So the A77ii's AF is not so bad :-)
vesa1tahti: The D7200 simply is brilliant compared to this Sony. Lower high ISO noise, better IQ all in all. We may wait a few years in order to see an other APS-C beating the Nikon.
Yes, I love EVF as well.I had used OVF for many years but I will not want to use it any more. If someone haven't use a EVF before could be difficult to understand.EVF is big & bright and it can display histogram & zebra pattern & peaking while shooting. and you can shoot video & review image without using LCD display
In my experience, using MFNR can give a high ISO image with less noise than DXO Prime noise reduction.
It will be great, if Dpreview can include the Multi-frame noise reduction (high / low) in the studio scene comparison as well.
Yes, the sensor of D7200 is really very nice.Not sure where their sensor come from? :-PBut sadly, it is only got 6fps.while 7Dmk2 have 10fps, A77ii have 12fps, NX1 have 15fps
Thank you for your reply :-)The term "AF Track Duration" is easily misleading.Because "AF Track Duration => 5 (High)", indeed means faster switch between objects (shorter tracking time).Set to 1(Low), the AF point will less likely jump around.