Amtext: I had my 7D stolen in March, have been using an old, beat-up Nikon since then and was anxiously awaiting what Canon would release so I could spend the insurance money that's dying to be spent. Would love to go FF and thought the 6D would be it but.... no. No fill flash is a deal breaker for me, slower frames per second a huge disappointment, and the layout - more like a 60D - not appealing since I'm used to the 7D, though this is not a deal breaker. As for fewer auto-focus points, it remains to be seen, but it sure seems underwhelming on first glance. (I never had any problems with the 7D's auto focus.) The 6D is a huge disappointment on paper. Nice though they are, I don't really care about GPS and WiFI. I'm leaning toward replacing the 7D and am even tempted by the 5D MK II (and welcome any advice) given the appealing prices for each,
7D MK2 HAS to be a HUGE improvement if Canon are to stop the rot within their upper spec APS-C range. The NIkon D7000 was simply better (and cheaper) I think the 7D2 will include features such as RADIO wireless flash which makes switching to FF or sticking with APS-C more difficult. I'd bypass the 6D as well (unless the AF is WAY better than its spec suggests or/and its cheap) me - if I stick with Canon I'll save up for a 5D3 (I've used one - fab) already almost £900 off full retail if you get from Digital Rev - otherwise I will begin again with a Nikon D600 and stick two fingers up to Canon for screwing me over again...
Carlos Taylhardat: Love the 11 point focusing system - I just don't know how somebody could use the 61 points system properly? or understand the advantage of having 61 points when it covers the same area?
Try panning fast moving objects - 9 or 11 points just doesn't cut it. Wedding photographers who often have time to use just the central spot haven't had problems with their 5D or 5D2 - sports or just kids running around - different game all together. Canon have 'upgraded' a 6 year old AF system - when many of their cheaper cameras already have a better system. Makes no sense.
abi170845: Why skip the 100% viewfinder? for landscape and for me, this is a must.
Skipped all around - but ha guess what its got WiFI - great for you in the middle of the countryside ! The 6D is second rate at best, boy I just wish the Nikon D600 could take my Canon lenses...
mls149: I will use this body as a backup for my 5D3's, and it will serve well in my wedding biz, I am sure. I haven't used anything but the center focus point for years now, and it works out just fine. The WiFI is a great feature, as is the -3 EV. Considering that the camera is not out yet, Westlake sounds like just another Nikon fanboy, and he will criticize it no matter what. Who cares what he thinks.
Well, I'm NOT a Nikon fanboy and I'm sadden that Canon feel that they can dump a FF sensor into a cheaply made camera with a poor spec - where as Nikon have loaded their D600 with real useable photographic features - features such as GPS will not aid my picture taking nor will WiFI !
Richard: Not sure why they keep mentioning the D600. The D600 resolution, feature set compete with the 5d3, not the 6d. The 6d is a 2007 digital rebel with a FF sensor. The D600 is a modern camera with higher resolution, FPS, and pro like features. This camera should have been called Rebel XTFF.
Panasonic's 4 3 format continues to grow, boy Nikon owners tempted in and now stuck with that terrible 1 system must be feeling a bit sick by now...
Mapel: It would have been a lot better if they had changed the price tag instead of the specifications :(
I've said my piece regarding the 6D - most of it negative- lets just hope that the AF system is actually way better than we all expect ( ? ) I'm sure the FF sensor will be fab - and that will be enough together with a lowish price point for Canon to sell loads - meantime Nikon D600 will also sell loads - BUT it will include the features so missing from the 6D. Canon have kinda got us ! Me, I have no spare cash at the moment - but still contend that Canon are confused as to how to tackle Nikon and Sony mid term and are bound to loose their number one spot longer term as new/younger photographers seek photographic features not crap like GPS & Wi-Fi.
javaone360: Not sure how long Panasonic will stay in partnership.
Yep - the pressure will begin soon !
So Sony make another move that will increase pressure upon Canon and to a lesser degree Nikon. I can see several advantages for Olympus and of course Sony. Hopefully this might mean that their partnership with Hasselblad can't be funded anymore !
Another interesting product from Fuji!
dwalk: I'm in the market for a DSLR, currently owning a canon S5IS. I'm an enthusiast photographer, not a professional, who ocassionally shoots weddings with borrowed gear. With the 60d and 7d cameras being quite old, i was hoping for a new version of either of them. Now I will start looking at Nikon, a pity, as i used to shoot Canon Film SLRs
Well if you still have (some faith) in Canon their APS-C range is pretty good - the 650D is nice and the EOS-M is due out soon, problem is pound for pound Nikon's have better specs - the next new Nikon - the D7000 MK2 ( ? ) is likely to be stunning if its a decent follow up to the D7000 which out performed the more expensive Canon 7D.....
Nishi Drew: As much as I'm a complainer of this cam too it's not "Canon betrayed us" level.No, the competition is good this time, Canon figured this would be a good package for this line of FF, while Nikon came out with a surprise deal, which, the D600 surprised a lot of people for what it holds, regardless of it being mostly a D7000 with an FX sensor.
The two "issues" I have is Canon thinking they should uphold their offerings as "valuable pro tools" and ask for the same price as the D600. Alright, I can understand pushing down the price of the 6D would make it look like Canon gave in. But to top it off, Canon, that started the DSLR video trend, is far behind everyone now, and when a Nikon entry level camera has uncompressed video.... yeah, now I'm bothered.Just hoping the AF really is quite usable, and that the prices get slashed :/
The problem for me as a Canon shooter is that Nikon keep surprising Canon - the rot set in when the Nikon D3 came out - Canon have been trying to run to keep up ever since, one area Canon is/ was ahead video - when guess what the D800 & D600 allow uncompressed video - not even the 5D$ does that ! Another nasty surprise for Canon ? -hell yes. Canon has become real lazy - too lazy to be worth anymore of my hard earned money.
zanypoet: In about three years, Canon will release a super-duper firmware update that de-cripples and unlocks all 11 sensors to be cross type, boost the FPS to 6, reveal previously secret hybrid sensor (ala T4i but faster ...) and 50% faster buffer clearance capability towards near the end of 6D product cycle ...
LOL! Yep - I suspect that Canon has a deep game plan going on here, the one thing you forgot was a massive drop in price (cause NOTHING about the 6D should cost much to manufacture) to try to steal a march on Nikon once and for all. Good luck Canon - think Nikon has got your number !
Nikon D600 down to £1775 already - kinda makes £1800 for an under speced Canon 6D seem expensive for some reason. And its on sale TODAY.
stevedigiphoto: Very interesting interview. Seems to me that maybe have a D300s successor in waiting - maybe D800 focussing and metering, 24mp APS-C chip and high frame rate all on the cards. D600 at £1614 (Amazon Uk price) seems very reasonable for what you are getting - better performance that the D3X in most if not all areas but well under half the price. Sure this will be a very popular addition from Nikon.
Sounds like ANOTHER Nikon that'll kick Canon's a**e ! And I'm a Canon fanboy - oh the pain.
Has this guy stopped laughing yet about the new Canon 6D ???
nffeeee: I have been a Nikon user (D700) for a while (six months, four years ago) before switching to Canon and still very happy about my decision. I have a 5d MKII and a 5d MK III and I would NEVER change to Nikon. Why? 1) Canon glasses2) Canon colours 3) Canon Services4) Would you spend your time choosing one of the 345 AF points instead of understand the right focal plane to focus with a single point?5) Nikon's images look always greenish and artifical, no matters more MP.. I tried the D800.. I am not able to get what I want from Nikon RAWS with PS (I am still a Kodachrome fanboy).. I get great results with Canon in 5 minutes
So please TRY the 6D before judging... when I bought the 5d mk III I just saw the specs and I was sure it was only a real small update.. I change my idea when I started to use it.. USE IT AND JUDGE IT!!!
You don't by any chance work at a company based in Woodhatch, Reigate, Surrey, UK for a company that uses big red letters in its name/logo?
CameraLabTester: Canon has sadly written the death sentence of it's EF-S lenses... with this affordable Full Frame EF lens mount camera.
While Nikon DX lenses CAN mount Nikon FF cameras... Canon EF-S CANNOT do it on Canon FF cameras!
The EF-S plot has now been dug up beside the FD mount in the family burial lawn...
We all knew that APS-C or DX were simply fixes as the cost of FF sensors were too high for the mass market, I still think that Canon will continue with APS-C for as long as possible as it has a number of advantages - 1st much cheaper to manufacture, 2nd - possible to make the DSLR smaller and thus help to counter 4 3 mirror less 3rd- millions of APS-C sold and many, perhaps most will not see the need for FF. 4th - millions of current APS-C users who might be tempted MORE by products such as the EOS - M than FF cameras.
I don't think that we all need to sell off our APS-C stuff this weekend, the BIGGER PICTURE (as Nikon says) is that Canon is falling behind its main rival - Nikon on key products. The D600 kicks the 6D out of the ball park and down the street. If anything will make me leave Canon (completely) it'll be that Canon cameras are no longer competitive - see D600 (again) for an excellent example!
Howard: Underwhelming. Why releasing yet another FF camera within a short span (after the 5DIII). Of course, I understand the 5DIII is a much better camera and the 6D is a crippled FF rebel, but still, considering the 5DII is still for sale (though may be not in production; they could be just clearing out the inventory), from a marketing standpoint, this also does not make a lot of sense.
Had this been a 20MP APS-C camera with better AF (basically a successor to the 7D), it would have made much more sense.
I totally agree - for me the 6D simply does not make sense - UNLESS Canon are planning to jump start the FF market by dropping the retail price of the 6D to a level that they feel Nikon D600 (because its a better camera overall) can't follow. If that's the plan why not do this from Day One and delight not p**s off your customer base? Its clear that sensor apart the 6D is made up from odds and sods from their parts bin - so why the high early retail ticket ?