Chris Yates: Sigma is on a Troll. They are trolling Canon, Nikon and Zeiss. :P
Andrew53: My view is that Canon took mirror seriously right from the start. The original EOS-M has outstanding build quality, the best touch screen in the business and very well made high quality lenses. You do not build a camera of that high of quality if you are not taking it seriously. Even the strap attachments, although non-standard, are very well thought out and an improvement over standard camera offerings.
Canon mis-read the market and didn't supply a viewfinder and Canon failed completely by letting the sub-standard AF slip though the testing cycle. Aside from that, the original EOS-M is just about all a mirror-less camera should be. The lack of lenses is only because of a lack of interest on the part of the consumer.
Good points well made. We all know that Canon & Nikon need to do better - for the record I used a Fuji XT 1 at a wedding last year, the pro (who loaded me his Fuji to try) shot the wedding using Nikon two D3 (the Fuji was his 'toy' camera) - stunning - such a nice camera to use. The pro said he was thinking about ditching Nikon all together ....Lets hope that when Nikon get around to the DF2 they ask Fuji to design it !
EXX: Canon (and Nikon) will need to get their act together, otherwise they will have their own "Kodak moment".
MILCs will surpass DSLRs in the future because they are inherently superior. It is only a matter of time before the last real advantage of DSLRs, fast autofocus, will be achieved somehow in MILCs, either through on sensor PDAF or whatever. For the rest, a MILCs is much more flexible due to shorter flange distance, which allows all kinds of adapters. They are more compact and more tailored to the coming generations of photographers, which have no SLR legacy.
I have to agree that both Canon & Nikon need to get their act together but I think in the overheated world of camera buffs and fans (like we have here on DPR) were all missing the point - most young people (sorry to say the Y word) simply aren't buying ANY cameras in ANY format because the PHONE is their only camera…..
nnowak: I live in the USA and will be importing the M3 ASAP, whether Canon USA likes it or not. I have the original M and all four EF-M lenses, importing one from Canada and another from Hong Kong.
11-22mm IS lens is fantastic22mm lens is even better18-55mm IS lens is better than the standard Rebel kit lenses55-200mm lens very good and rivals my 100-400L out to 200mm
What else do I use on the camera...EF 50mm 1.4 makes a great portrait lensEF 100-400mm L gets used a lot for everything from dragonflies to moose, handheld, at all times of day.TS-E 24mm works great for stitching landscapesSigma 50-150mm f2.8 no longer back focuses like it did on my dSLR
I couldn't care if the M3 had a small viewfinder. The lack of viewfinder means the camera can be smaller and/or rear LCD bigger (no squashed 16:9 like the A6000).
As feeble as Canon's attempts may be, no other manufacturer can fully match the lenses I typically use on my M. I just wish Canon USA would stop complicating matters.
I love my two EOS-M's and use a vast range of both modern glass and older none AF stuff. The 22 f2 is a STUNNER - bring more out Canon - please -
Trust DPR to have a section about Canon headed by a two photos of a Panasonic and then one of a load of Nikon's….
I love my TWO (yes TWO) EOS-M's - thanks to a poor AF and a bandwagon I got em for a song - thanks guys - they take great images and are as cheap as chips !
PS - the AF has got better but if your after real speed look elsewhere - its still SLOW. There ya go - an honest review ….
Sad Joe: Must know - any flare issues ? Oh no of course not its the wrong 750……
I have to agree - lets make this clear for all the trolls out there (there are many) Nikon made some fine cameras , I have had and still have a number myself - but Nikon have dropped the ball on QC 3 times now (D600/ D800 ( AF issues seen but never addmitted too) / D750) so something is well wrong at Nikon…With DPR stating that the Canon flapship 1DX has the same kind of flare faults as the Nikon D750 (really ? ) you have to ask why isn't this ALL over the internet - cause if I'd paid £5K+ I'd be hoping mad!
Sad Joe: Wait - is that a supernova or just more Nikon FLARE faults ? Canon lead this market place and have done so for many years just as Nikon are the NASA cameras…surpose that Nikon check EACH one before dispatch as it might be tricky to get them back from space for a recall…..
LOL! Thank you my dear friends…must have been the bump I got on my head when looking at the stars….
Much joy - but will the AF work? Know Sigmas of old - sure the ART range are excellent but…..
Wait - is that a supernova or just more Nikon FLARE faults ? Canon lead this market place and have done so for many years just as Nikon are the NASA cameras…surpose that Nikon check EACH one before dispatch as it might be tricky to get them back from space for a recall…..
Sad Joe: Well, DPR took its sweet time but we now have 'proof' that the top Canon has the same fault ? OK - so why aren't Canon recalling them all ? Why aren't 1DX users finding the fault? Why aren't 1DX users demanding its sorted out RIGHT NOW ? Sorry DPR I simply don't believe its the same issue nor the same volume of problem. Me ? Even if I were going a D750 I'd hold off for several months as its retail price is going to sink as people simply don't buy it in the numbers Nikon need to make money. Another great camera ruined by STINKER QC. Bring on the D760....
So when are Canon arranging for a recall if you state and restate that Canon 1DX owners are affected by the same fault as Nikon D750 users - or should I say none users as their all being recalled?
Donnie G: Remove the mirror box and OVF from the T6s/760D Rebel and shorten the flange distance between sensor and lens while keeping all of the enthusiast oriented operating controls and "presto", you have this excellent EOS M3 mirrorless camera. Now all that's needed are a few fast EF-M compact primes, say 15mm, 32mm, and 50mm to compliment their excellent 22mm, and you wind up with a very nice Leica fighter kit. If Canon delivers on those lenses then this M3 could be my street photography kit. Good job Canon! :)
Love my EOS-M's and all of the M glass - PLEASE Canon bring out more -thus far all of the M glass has been to a very high standard. Next - what about a 35 f1.4 SMT ( about 56mm in FF) with IS ? Or a 85mm F2 SMT with IS (about 135mm in FF) - oh sorry that could cause real problems for your DSLR sales !!
nunatak: will this finally wake nikon from their slumber and build a regular hot shoe into the N1 line too?
No, sadly I doubt it - Nikon have been in denial for a while now. As a Nikon shooter since 1977 (let me be clear I'm not a troll but my 1st brand is and has been for some years Canon) I can only think that with the 1 series Nikon do not have to rely upon expensive inported tech from SONY and thus would really like to prove that they can still cut it with a 100 % Nikon only product. Sadly - it isn't working…
Both Canon & Nikon have issues with the CSC market cutting into their DSLR sales but I think Nikon will have to blink 1st as Canon is continuing to make more money whereas…..
dwill23: I LOVED the EOS M. The size, weight, and image quality were truly awesome. People put too much emphasis on the AF, sadly because review sites like this had a pre-hung-jury before it could get into consumer's hands.
It was a great camera. Period. It took excellent photos. Period.
But, AF and Video performance on other cameras eclipsed the EOS M.
I can only assume the EOS M did so poorly in the US, that's why Canon didn't bring the EOS M2 or M3 to the US.
Well Canon, you fixed the video and the focus, so I'll take one!
This hurts Canon so much in the mirrosless segment that there must be another reason. Maybe they know people in the US can shell out the money for a small compact and an SLR and don't want one that comes close to doing both.
This slew of cameras is not enough to save troubled Canon. This is good news; they'll have to do better soon.
I'm hanging on to a few lenses and a 70D... but maybe not for long. (I used to have EOS 1s and all L's).
Time will tell.
Good points - well made - I agree with 99 % of what you have said - but Canon are increasing their profits even as overall camera sales across the WHOLE market/ all brands decline, so Canon are far from troubled. I like you, wish Canon would come out fighting and take on Panasonic, Fuji and Olympus in the CSC market place fully. Sadly they do not need to and thus aren't. Didn't someone tell Sony something similar when MP3 / iPod came along - where is the Walkman now ?
jukeboxjohnnie: FAIL !!!! No viewfinder which is expected among enthusiasts these days
But there is one - check out the full facts - Canon will be offering a slot on digital VF which they already produce.
brettchris: the article says there is an adaptor for EF lens: it does not specifically say if EF-S lens are compatible; does anybody know?
YES - all EF-S glass works fine - have no fears. I give my 60 macro EF-S and 15-85 EF-S regular use using the Canon AF adapter. PS - if you don't mind going MANUAL focus consider picking up older perhaps none Canon glass and using a simple adapter. This way I can use loads of older glass such as my 500mm Clubman lens (its not very good but it was VERY cheap) when I need to without shelling out big bucks. Having fun.
Oohrah: Outstanding. I love my EOS M and my wife really likes hers. The quality of images we're able to get are fantastic.
I can imagine this being much better overall, especially with the new tilt screen and faster AF.
Will look forward to buying one off Ebay when they become available.
Its a crazy thing - most people who love the EOS-M ( including me I now have two cause their CHEAP) have actually used one and most people who hate it ( its the end of the World for Canon etc) have not actually ever used one. Far from perfect I have strongly considered getting a 3rd but will now wait for the new M3 to drop in price - give it 12 months - my guess down from £599 KIT to £350 - £450 KIT. Let's see.
Greg VdB: Funny to see that only 17% of voters outside of the USA are interested in buying the M3 (because they can), whereas 36% of Americans WOULD buy the camera (because they can't). Psychology 101 right there :-)
LOL! The EOS-M was said to have bombed in the US because Americans love BIG things - not sure that's 100 % correct. More likely the terrible AF killed it and consumers (the World over) like to buy things that reflect well on themselves and are not seen as 2nd rate…which frankly the AF was its a little better after the update but ist no where compared to some of the other small cameras I use such as the Pana GH4 and the Olympus Pen 5. BUT it beats BOTH for the wonderful warm images it can produce….go figure.
4everAnoob: I hope Eos M2 prices on eBay will now drop to Eos M1 levels. If only the 22mm EF-M could exist for Sony e-mount... Than I wouldnt really car for the Eos M at all
The 22 f2 is a stunner - in FF its a 35 f2 - I have owned a number of 35mm lenses and the tiny little (cheap) Canon lens is in a different class - far far better than either my Nikkor 35 f2 AI or its AF replacement my 35 f2 AF. Both now long gone - the 22 f 2 is almost perfect and did I say its CHEAP. PS - are you sure you can't get an adapter - there seem to be adapters for most glass nowerdays.
frenchie44: I got an eos M last year, I have 5 canon SLRs and wanted a " take everywhere cam" for when I am carrying a 7D with 500mm lense outfit. I am very pleased with the M, I cannot fault the picture quality at all, easy to use, focus is very accurate, it does feel like a quality item with the metal body. the only problem I had was when I first got it every time I wanted to use it I put it up to my eye, then made sure no one was watching and used at it should be used. the M 18-55 lens is a really nice lens, better than the old ef version that was bundled with 40D etc.
I also love the EOS-M ( I now have two) and have produced pro level video and stills using them, I love the fact that with cheap adapters I can use all of my older glass as well as retaining AF using any of my 9 EF/ EF-S glass. Far from perfect and much hated I love mine. I have strongly considered getting a 3rd as a sort of extra back up. Shame the M3 (great model number - does Lecia know? Long go they blocked Olympus from calling their OM1 just the M1 because it was 'theirs') doesn't have the full dual pixel AF from the 70D (shame) - looking forward to the price drop - and crazy as it sounds if its hated (by people who have never used it) the price will drop even faster/ further - bring it on!
Must know - any flare issues ? Oh no of course not its the wrong 750……