KW Phua: Canon and Nikon will wait until they see Reporters use smart phone or mirror less to shoot Olympic or world cup then yes the enemies are here. For now, Smart phone only kill PnS, will come to mirror less before DSLR, so why invest in mirror less? Anyone can shoot F1 with smart phone or mirror less? LOL!
I'm 100 % certain this is already happening - if not for the fast & long range shots yet….Smart Phones have almost killed PnS and mirror less is eating into sales of more traditional DSLR's. I look forward to FF DSLR's becoming cheap as the more traditional companies have to fight really hard to survive.
Jungle525: EOS M2 with a pancake wide angle - should be great for shooting street!
Bring it on ! I love my 22 f2 which has become my fav lens - and I have around other 15 Canon lenses to select from including FF APS-C classic FD etc. I dream of a 15 f2 (24mm in FF terms) to go along with it. The 22f 2 (35 mm in FF terms) is a tiny gem and so so sharp.
Lux Painter: Either Canon is going to release their own smartphone (so the smartphone is not an enemy) or they are in total denial (more likely)
Total denial ! Remember its all about saving face with these boys - look how much Nikon have tried to avoid admitting their D600 is loaded with faults…..
kalieaire: I find it funny how Canon expected the SL1 and their other size reduced dslrs to be popular. Coming from 35mm film, the 300D was a good size, with the grip it was nearly perfect. When the 20D came out, I was joyous of the better fit. When the 5D2 came out I was even more happy, now comparable to a 1 series. I have small hands too, tendonitis, and a bit of reduced grip strength, so anything larger than the 5D2 hurts pretty bad at the end of a wedding. Point being, DSLRs should generally be larger in size, and absolutely not too small.
Smaller DSLRs are only useful for cheap parents looking to buy their high school kids their first camera based solely on price, not usability, capability, or what the kids want and would like to use.
As for snubbing the mirrorless market, the EOS M represents the biggest innovation to cinematography since the 5D2 because if its size. I can rig my EOS M in a lot more places than my 5Ds or 7Ds.
From their statements, Canon's execs are obviously clueless.
Well - it came as a hell of a shock but I Love my EOS-M ( I now have two) and my DSLR's are gathering dust. Is the EOS-M perfect - of course not. What is the best camera you own - the one you have with you when you need /want to take a picture...
Interesting - but nothing you wouldn't expect from a top exc working for the Number 1 camera company in the World. Canon took a lot of stick with both their 6D and EOS-M. The 6D is simply excellent and out performs the 5D3 at high ISO. Also unlike the highly praised Nikon D600 no problems with muck on the sensor. The EOS-M focus was rubbish - Canon have improved it but its clear that they COULD if they WANTED to import the 70D AF into an EOS-M MK3. As a user of BOTH Nikon & Canon I think they should BOTH begin to fear mirror less and not far behind smart phones if they don't already. They are the future not huge boxes like the D4S & D1X no matter how amazing they are. Been to the Photography Shop NEC Birmingham England today - very good - (hello again Joe McNally) but all traditional DSLR cameras are all living on borrowed time….
As some of you may be aware ( I post fairly often) I use both Canon & Nikon - overall I prefer Canon but I think the Nikon DF whilst NOT a classic like my beloved Nikon FE, is a great camera and Nikon with the 'classic' DF has done what it set out to do - provide MASSIVE FREE marketing coverage for Nikon. Smart move !!
I saw the test results comparing the DF/ D4/ 6D etc - frankly I'd give house room to ANY of them. But if I were PAYING I'd stick with Canon (sorry Nikon fans) and spend the money on a 5D3 - just because I shot a lotta video and the DF offers none….
Roll on the classic AE1 D…or should that be A1 D ?
NOTE according to DR the percentage of people who own the 6D is HUGE the percentage of people who got rid is LOW - however these figures are TOTALY REVERSED when viewing the DF which seems to SHED OWNERS FAST….bit sobering - best advice if you HAVE to have a DF, want 12 mths and buy SECOND HAND - there appears by then there will be plenty around….
This is most interesting - the cheaper 6D seems to more than hold its own against even the mighty D4 and most tellingly the sensor in the DF is clearly NOT the same as the D4….
vroger1: The only point seems to be an attempt to be on the mirrorless bandwagon. The camera was badly thought out- had terrible handling (somewaht improved with the firmware upgrade). A digicam of which Canon should be thoroughly ashamed. Nikon with its "1" series and Canon with its M- its as though they were someone who thinks they are "above the law". The law in this case being a reasonable consumer's wishes.
Well I use BOTH Canon & Nikon (I prefer my Canon's) and yes Canon with their EOS-M and Nikon with their Series 1 cameras have made mistakes and both have failed to sell in the projected numbers. But their both improving and will become big sellers over time. I think Sony are the biggest threat and their FF CSC cameras seem to have all the answers - well done Sony. I like the Panasonic GH range for their VIDEO performance and Olympus for their lovely Zukio glass. But none of these brands will win me over as I prefer the IMAGE created by Canon cameras….
Well as I predicted the poor old M2 is getting the same level of 'respect' that the M got. I love using my 2x EOS-M's with my all EF, EF-S, M and classic FD glass. That gives me 18 lenses….Such a joy to use my old FD glass all over again with simple cheap adapters. Its fun to use, in a strange way it takes me back to my very first camera which was a rangefinder - small compact but very high MADE IN JAPAN quality. Please guys if you have no plans to buy one nor even try one - shut up…..if Canon have made a mistake (and I don't think they have) then its their problem. If your a Canon owner and you don't fancy a Canon CSC - shop elsewhere rather than just moan. Panasonic make some great cameras….Myself I look forward to the higher spec version of the M - the M2 S or M3 (or whatever they will call it) stacked with 70D tech it mid 2014….
Peter Bendheim: The EOS-M in it's current form with the firmware upgrade is a surprisingly nice little camera to use. It's really small with the pancake lens, absolutely solid build that is all magnesium alloy, a tempered glass LCD and pretty good image quality. I like it's ergonomic simplicity, it's easy to use, the lenses are metal bodied, and the IQ is great. The pancake lens is razor sharp, for example. Really as good as anyone could wish for. It would be nice if it had a viewfinder that one could attach. It's also a refreshing design break from all the fake retro, fake leather, Leica look a-likes, and other gimmicks.Hate it as much as you like, folks, especially those of you that have never tried it, but it occupies a deserved place in my camera bag along with the bigger and flashier gear, and has produced images I am very happy with and that form part of my portfolio. I'm sure Canon will eventually produce a more pro model, but this camera isn't half as bad as most of you would like it to be.
I now have TWO EOS-M's and I love using them. My Canon DLSR's are gathering dust - theM's are that good….22mm f2 on order...
JamesVo: Lots and lots of moaning here. The EOS M2 does not look particularly exciting to me either. However, I think everyone is underestimating the effect of the ubiquitous cellphone camera on sales of compact and intermediate level cameras of all types.
The MIL cameras sit in an uncomfortably narrow niche between the lower end of the DSLR range and the upper end compacts that are really quite good.
I would really like to buy a compact MIL system for the many times when the size and weight of my pro level DSLR gear sees it being left at home. This means a MIL camera and 2 or 3 lenses.....but the prices are generally higher than entry level DSLR kit, the image quality is worse, or at best equivalent and functionality is somewhat reduced. Entry level DSLR kit actually serves me better. No wonder I haven't bought a MIL camera yet.
I LOVE my EOS-M and no one is more shocked than me ! In fact I now have TWO (I shoot two camera pro video set ups) as their cheap as chips and unless you really do expect the speed of a 7D they are simply brilliant. The all metal MADE IN JAPAN body with metal lens reminds me of my days using (real) Nikon's… not the plastic made in China stuff. Its brought the fun back to taking pics… strange - I hated the EOS-M based upon reviews 18 mths ago- its shown me to try for real rather than trial by review alone...22mm f2 on order!
Well, during the past 2 weeks I have purchased 2x ESO-M kits complete with FOC EOS lens adapters. These are already being used to shoot PRO videos - and frankly their brilliant - so much better than I had expected. The EOS -M2 - well its a move forward and I'm pleased that the new version hasn't trashed mine - I fully expect Canon to bring out a higher spec version based upon the 70D during 2014. Stand by for the M bashers to record their opinions of where Canon went wrong with their M2 and how its the end for Canon…such nonsense.
Well - don't shot me - but I thought the WHOLE idea of this lens was that it WOULD be SUPER SHARP wide open ...? If not then frankly was is the point? The 50 1.8 bog basic lens is pretty good and a TON of money less. Seems that Nikon have failed to do a ZEISS !
Next up - bring on the Canon 50 1.2 L MK2 (but please Canon give it some faster AF and whilst your at it IS ) and if you could ensure it sells for less than the new Nikon everyone (apart from Nikon users) will be very happy.
Timmbits: Isn't it ironic, that a senior Olympus exec, was quoted as saying that the Pen system was named as such, because it is as easy to use as a pen... yet the sport the world's worst user interface.
Oh god yes - my brother in law has switched from Nikon DX into a Pen 5 Lite system - PLEASE don't misunderstand me I really like the camera and have used Zukio glass on and off for over 30 years but the MENUS are a KILLER...and I just don't like the colours his camera produces - not natural too my eyes - too pink (no camera is perfect) Canon too red, Nikon too green but I could live with either happier than what his Pen turns out.. I haven't the heart to say anything too him - he seems very happy....
Just jumping sidewards (sorry) someone else posted that they were dropping their Nikon DX system as they now have an Olympus Pen (lovely cameras and Zukio glass) my brother in law has done much the same - I love this Pen 5 Lite BUT to my eyes the colours it produced are ALL WRONG - far too pink and not a nice pink. Is it just me that has seen this ? And no its NOTHING to do with colour balance etc as I've checked this carefully when he wasn't looking (my god Olympus LOVE their menus they go on forever) - still far too pink....Canon too warm / red (but I prefer it that way) Nikon too green / cold looking on their newest cameras. But Olympus too PINK.....sorry Pen users.
Just jumping sidewards (sorry) someone else posted that they were dropping their Nikon DX system as they now have an Olympus Pen (lovely cameras and Zukio glass) my brother in law has done much the same - I love this Pen 5 BUT to my eyes the colours it produced are ALL WRONG - far too pink and not a nice pink. Is it just me that has seen this ? And no its NOTHING to do with colour balance etc as I've checked this carefully when he wasn't looking - still far too pink....Canon too warm / red (but I prefer it that way) Nikon too green / cold looking on their newest cameras. But Olympus too PINK.....sorry Pen users.
The marketing for this new camera has been outstanding - Nikon should be proud of their UK or US based marketing team....I switched (mainly) into Canon some years ago but this is the 1st new Nikon that has ticked my boxes (and I don't even know its spec!) as regards marketing image - I want to be that man with a bag of primes and my Nikon DF in my hands. I look forward to the Canon reply - say what lets call it the DF 1....!!
Well love it or hate it ( and I could do both as I use BOTH Canon & Nikon) I see the 70D as the new class leader - even if in some areas Nikon or Sony etc can out weight it or deliver more - OVERALL the 70D is where the money will be going and Canon will still remain way ahead in total sales. Frankly Canon lost its way with the 50D/60D and the 7D was far from perfect (still a lovely camera anyone bored of their is free to pass it on too me) but the 70D is / will be the market leader...
Bring it on ! I still have my FM from 1979...and whilst your at it how about a FF rangefinder camera ? Oh sorry Sony already have one.....
Well I'm no fan of Sony still cameras (sorry) I still have two Sony 8mm camcorders etc but for some reason their stills stuff leaves me cold - until now. Well done to Sony - this if supported by decent glass (Zeiss - that'll do) it deserves to do well. Several years ago Sony stated that they had set out to replace Nikon as Number 2 brand within 3 -5 years and then overhaul Canon at Number 1. It hasn't quite worked out that way with Sony supporting Nikon (sensors etc) helping Nikon hold on to their Number 2 slot. If Sony ever walk away from Nikon boy are Nikon in trouble.....watch this space!