Much joy - but will the AF work? Know Sigmas of old - sure the ART range are excellent but…..
Wait - is that a supernova or just more Nikon FLARE faults ? Canon lead this market place and have done so for many years just as Nikon are the NASA cameras…surpose that Nikon check EACH one before dispatch as it might be tricky to get them back from space for a recall…..
Sad Joe: Well, DPR took its sweet time but we now have 'proof' that the top Canon has the same fault ? OK - so why aren't Canon recalling them all ? Why aren't 1DX users finding the fault? Why aren't 1DX users demanding its sorted out RIGHT NOW ? Sorry DPR I simply don't believe its the same issue nor the same volume of problem. Me ? Even if I were going a D750 I'd hold off for several months as its retail price is going to sink as people simply don't buy it in the numbers Nikon need to make money. Another great camera ruined by STINKER QC. Bring on the D760....
So when are Canon arranging for a recall if you state and restate that Canon 1DX owners are affected by the same fault as Nikon D750 users - or should I say none users as their all being recalled?
Donnie G: Remove the mirror box and OVF from the T6s/760D Rebel and shorten the flange distance between sensor and lens while keeping all of the enthusiast oriented operating controls and "presto", you have this excellent EOS M3 mirrorless camera. Now all that's needed are a few fast EF-M compact primes, say 15mm, 32mm, and 50mm to compliment their excellent 22mm, and you wind up with a very nice Leica fighter kit. If Canon delivers on those lenses then this M3 could be my street photography kit. Good job Canon! :)
Love my EOS-M's and all of the M glass - PLEASE Canon bring out more -thus far all of the M glass has been to a very high standard. Next - what about a 35 f1.4 SMT ( about 56mm in FF) with IS ? Or a 85mm F2 SMT with IS (about 135mm in FF) - oh sorry that could cause real problems for your DSLR sales !!
nunatak: will this finally wake nikon from their slumber and build a regular hot shoe into the N1 line too?
No, sadly I doubt it - Nikon have been in denial for a while now. As a Nikon shooter since 1977 (let me be clear I'm not a troll but my 1st brand is and has been for some years Canon) I can only think that with the 1 series Nikon do not have to rely upon expensive inported tech from SONY and thus would really like to prove that they can still cut it with a 100 % Nikon only product. Sadly - it isn't working…
Both Canon & Nikon have issues with the CSC market cutting into their DSLR sales but I think Nikon will have to blink 1st as Canon is continuing to make more money whereas…..
dwill23: I LOVED the EOS M. The size, weight, and image quality were truly awesome. People put too much emphasis on the AF, sadly because review sites like this had a pre-hung-jury before it could get into consumer's hands.
It was a great camera. Period. It took excellent photos. Period.
But, AF and Video performance on other cameras eclipsed the EOS M.
I can only assume the EOS M did so poorly in the US, that's why Canon didn't bring the EOS M2 or M3 to the US.
Well Canon, you fixed the video and the focus, so I'll take one!
This hurts Canon so much in the mirrosless segment that there must be another reason. Maybe they know people in the US can shell out the money for a small compact and an SLR and don't want one that comes close to doing both.
This slew of cameras is not enough to save troubled Canon. This is good news; they'll have to do better soon.
I'm hanging on to a few lenses and a 70D... but maybe not for long. (I used to have EOS 1s and all L's).
Time will tell.
Good points - well made - I agree with 99 % of what you have said - but Canon are increasing their profits even as overall camera sales across the WHOLE market/ all brands decline, so Canon are far from troubled. I like you, wish Canon would come out fighting and take on Panasonic, Fuji and Olympus in the CSC market place fully. Sadly they do not need to and thus aren't. Didn't someone tell Sony something similar when MP3 / iPod came along - where is the Walkman now ?
jukeboxjohnnie: FAIL !!!! No viewfinder which is expected among enthusiasts these days
But there is one - check out the full facts - Canon will be offering a slot on digital VF which they already produce.
brettchris: the article says there is an adaptor for EF lens: it does not specifically say if EF-S lens are compatible; does anybody know?
YES - all EF-S glass works fine - have no fears. I give my 60 macro EF-S and 15-85 EF-S regular use using the Canon AF adapter. PS - if you don't mind going MANUAL focus consider picking up older perhaps none Canon glass and using a simple adapter. This way I can use loads of older glass such as my 500mm Clubman lens (its not very good but it was VERY cheap) when I need to without shelling out big bucks. Having fun.
Oohrah: Outstanding. I love my EOS M and my wife really likes hers. The quality of images we're able to get are fantastic.
I can imagine this being much better overall, especially with the new tilt screen and faster AF.
Will look forward to buying one off Ebay when they become available.
Its a crazy thing - most people who love the EOS-M ( including me I now have two cause their CHEAP) have actually used one and most people who hate it ( its the end of the World for Canon etc) have not actually ever used one. Far from perfect I have strongly considered getting a 3rd but will now wait for the new M3 to drop in price - give it 12 months - my guess down from £599 KIT to £350 - £450 KIT. Let's see.
Greg VdB: Funny to see that only 17% of voters outside of the USA are interested in buying the M3 (because they can), whereas 36% of Americans WOULD buy the camera (because they can't). Psychology 101 right there :-)
LOL! The EOS-M was said to have bombed in the US because Americans love BIG things - not sure that's 100 % correct. More likely the terrible AF killed it and consumers (the World over) like to buy things that reflect well on themselves and are not seen as 2nd rate…which frankly the AF was its a little better after the update but ist no where compared to some of the other small cameras I use such as the Pana GH4 and the Olympus Pen 5. BUT it beats BOTH for the wonderful warm images it can produce….go figure.
4everAnoob: I hope Eos M2 prices on eBay will now drop to Eos M1 levels. If only the 22mm EF-M could exist for Sony e-mount... Than I wouldnt really car for the Eos M at all
The 22 f2 is a stunner - in FF its a 35 f2 - I have owned a number of 35mm lenses and the tiny little (cheap) Canon lens is in a different class - far far better than either my Nikkor 35 f2 AI or its AF replacement my 35 f2 AF. Both now long gone - the 22 f 2 is almost perfect and did I say its CHEAP. PS - are you sure you can't get an adapter - there seem to be adapters for most glass nowerdays.
frenchie44: I got an eos M last year, I have 5 canon SLRs and wanted a " take everywhere cam" for when I am carrying a 7D with 500mm lense outfit. I am very pleased with the M, I cannot fault the picture quality at all, easy to use, focus is very accurate, it does feel like a quality item with the metal body. the only problem I had was when I first got it every time I wanted to use it I put it up to my eye, then made sure no one was watching and used at it should be used. the M 18-55 lens is a really nice lens, better than the old ef version that was bundled with 40D etc.
I also love the EOS-M ( I now have two) and have produced pro level video and stills using them, I love the fact that with cheap adapters I can use all of my older glass as well as retaining AF using any of my 9 EF/ EF-S glass. Far from perfect and much hated I love mine. I have strongly considered getting a 3rd as a sort of extra back up. Shame the M3 (great model number - does Lecia know? Long go they blocked Olympus from calling their OM1 just the M1 because it was 'theirs') doesn't have the full dual pixel AF from the 70D (shame) - looking forward to the price drop - and crazy as it sounds if its hated (by people who have never used it) the price will drop even faster/ further - bring it on!
Must know - any flare issues ? Oh no of course not its the wrong 750……
lotuz9: This camera is such a disappointment that 10 people already had it, and only 1 still have it, according to gear numbers above:)
stratplaya: Looks like after 8 years Canon was finally able to make a copy of the Nikon 14-24mm f/2.8. Congrats, Canon!
Which the new Tamron 15 - 30 kicks its a*se ! See Matt Granger - not exactly known for being shy about raving about Nikon kit. Given that the Canon is so much newer we should fully expect it to kick the a*se of both the Nikon & the Tamron.
Well, I for one am pleased to see the M3 - no its not a GH4 nor a A7 - of course Canon will not allow it to be until they elect to go for the mirroless market fully at which point I have no fears that they could take the market… I have two EOS-M's - which most people seem to HATE having never actually used one. Be even better if the M3 is another sales flop - £199 inc kit lens - Oh yes - bring it on! Note - DPR - NO FLARE ISSUES !
And we all know how stupid that measurement scale is ! I'm sure some just click Had it/ Got Rid just for the hell...
Bottomline - DSLR's, serious compacts and rangefinders which we all love whatever brand we are loyal too are the next Betamax or Laserdisc ( I have both) - you'll look foolish for having one in a few years time but COOL in 30 years....I love my Nikkormat FT2 (1977) so well make it will outlast us all - but its dumb and stupid by modern standards.
justmeMN: The results from other camera manufacturers will be even worse. As an example, Olympus' camera division has been losing money for years.
Well I agree in part -all of the big brands apart from Nikon make money elsewhere - this might be the reason why they are trying so hard (too hard) to gain market share. After the D600 they should have never introducted the D610 - if I have been advising them I would have dropped all referance too a D600 ish model. Now the D750 has a big problem with a recall...Please understand me Canon (my main brand) are far from perfect and they have problems too, just not on the scale that Nikon seem to.
And remember Olympus have form - they killed off the entire OM 35mm range leaving their users high and dry - it took many many years before they brought out new (digital) SLR's. There is NOTHING stopping them doing it again as their profits decline.