Mike814: Should I wait to purchase the D750 since I assume Nikon with be correcting the flare problem before they send out the next batch of cameras? Or should I buy the D750 now and then just send it back to Nikon for repairs?
Well we'll see… if Nikon are not seling it at this moment they must have huge warehouses stuffed full of em. This can only help create the conditions were when re-released the price will have to fall sharply. I feel sorry for Nikon but more so for Nikon fans some of whom are blind to the massive mistakes that Nikon have made. Sadly its all part of the long term decline of the once Number One brand - I really think without Sony sensor tech they would be in an even worst position than they are…I still love my Nikon FM and my FT2 - these are and remain REAL Nikons.
russbarnes: The truth about Canon's lenses and sensor performance will soon be revealed to the world, just as Nikon was laid bare when the D800 was released.
Very true - which is why I believe Canon has been busy getting updated glass such as the 24-70 Mk2 out. But Canon are not number 1 by being stupid - whilst these MEGA pixel cameras are showstoppers I want a 5d4 wth full upgrades to the video files rather than being able to print off MASSIVE prints...
IMAGE 8 = DPR staff conduct a pinpoint search for Canon FLARE...LOL!
No one can touch Canon and yet again they prove it - OK - apart from the odd hyper expensive Zeiss and perhaps the odd Sigma ART - but then again they tend not to AF too well and the Zeiss glass is totally manual !
What ? No picture of a Panasonic, Sony or Nikon heading a Canon news story ? DPR must be slipping….
Up to you (UTY) but if you can wait I would - two things will take place over the next few months - 1: 'Clean' stock will begin to appear and I would expect Nikon to improve its terrible QC 2: The price of the D750 will fall it would do anyway as pretty well all cameras do as they 'age' but just look what happended to D600 retail prices and how little they sell for on E Bay today.. as I said UTY.
Chris Yates: Sigma is on a Troll. They are trolling Canon, Nikon and Zeiss. :P
Andrew53: My view is that Canon took mirror seriously right from the start. The original EOS-M has outstanding build quality, the best touch screen in the business and very well made high quality lenses. You do not build a camera of that high of quality if you are not taking it seriously. Even the strap attachments, although non-standard, are very well thought out and an improvement over standard camera offerings.
Canon mis-read the market and didn't supply a viewfinder and Canon failed completely by letting the sub-standard AF slip though the testing cycle. Aside from that, the original EOS-M is just about all a mirror-less camera should be. The lack of lenses is only because of a lack of interest on the part of the consumer.
Good points well made. We all know that Canon & Nikon need to do better - for the record I used a Fuji XT 1 at a wedding last year, the pro (who loaded me his Fuji to try) shot the wedding using Nikon two D3 (the Fuji was his 'toy' camera) - stunning - such a nice camera to use. The pro said he was thinking about ditching Nikon all together ....Lets hope that when Nikon get around to the DF2 they ask Fuji to design it !
EXX: Canon (and Nikon) will need to get their act together, otherwise they will have their own "Kodak moment".
MILCs will surpass DSLRs in the future because they are inherently superior. It is only a matter of time before the last real advantage of DSLRs, fast autofocus, will be achieved somehow in MILCs, either through on sensor PDAF or whatever. For the rest, a MILCs is much more flexible due to shorter flange distance, which allows all kinds of adapters. They are more compact and more tailored to the coming generations of photographers, which have no SLR legacy.
I have to agree that both Canon & Nikon need to get their act together but I think in the overheated world of camera buffs and fans (like we have here on DPR) were all missing the point - most young people (sorry to say the Y word) simply aren't buying ANY cameras in ANY format because the PHONE is their only camera…..
nnowak: I live in the USA and will be importing the M3 ASAP, whether Canon USA likes it or not. I have the original M and all four EF-M lenses, importing one from Canada and another from Hong Kong.
11-22mm IS lens is fantastic22mm lens is even better18-55mm IS lens is better than the standard Rebel kit lenses55-200mm lens very good and rivals my 100-400L out to 200mm
What else do I use on the camera...EF 50mm 1.4 makes a great portrait lensEF 100-400mm L gets used a lot for everything from dragonflies to moose, handheld, at all times of day.TS-E 24mm works great for stitching landscapesSigma 50-150mm f2.8 no longer back focuses like it did on my dSLR
I couldn't care if the M3 had a small viewfinder. The lack of viewfinder means the camera can be smaller and/or rear LCD bigger (no squashed 16:9 like the A6000).
As feeble as Canon's attempts may be, no other manufacturer can fully match the lenses I typically use on my M. I just wish Canon USA would stop complicating matters.
I love my two EOS-M's and use a vast range of both modern glass and older none AF stuff. The 22 f2 is a STUNNER - bring more out Canon - please -
Trust DPR to have a section about Canon headed by a two photos of a Panasonic and then one of a load of Nikon's….
I love my TWO (yes TWO) EOS-M's - thanks to a poor AF and a bandwagon I got em for a song - thanks guys - they take great images and are as cheap as chips !
PS - the AF has got better but if your after real speed look elsewhere - its still SLOW. There ya go - an honest review ….
Sad Joe: Must know - any flare issues ? Oh no of course not its the wrong 750……
I have to agree - lets make this clear for all the trolls out there (there are many) Nikon made some fine cameras , I have had and still have a number myself - but Nikon have dropped the ball on QC 3 times now (D600/ D800 ( AF issues seen but never addmitted too) / D750) so something is well wrong at Nikon…With DPR stating that the Canon flapship 1DX has the same kind of flare faults as the Nikon D750 (really ? ) you have to ask why isn't this ALL over the internet - cause if I'd paid £5K+ I'd be hoping mad!
Sad Joe: Wait - is that a supernova or just more Nikon FLARE faults ? Canon lead this market place and have done so for many years just as Nikon are the NASA cameras…surpose that Nikon check EACH one before dispatch as it might be tricky to get them back from space for a recall…..
LOL! Thank you my dear friends…must have been the bump I got on my head when looking at the stars….
Much joy - but will the AF work? Know Sigmas of old - sure the ART range are excellent but…..
Wait - is that a supernova or just more Nikon FLARE faults ? Canon lead this market place and have done so for many years just as Nikon are the NASA cameras…surpose that Nikon check EACH one before dispatch as it might be tricky to get them back from space for a recall…..
Sad Joe: Well, DPR took its sweet time but we now have 'proof' that the top Canon has the same fault ? OK - so why aren't Canon recalling them all ? Why aren't 1DX users finding the fault? Why aren't 1DX users demanding its sorted out RIGHT NOW ? Sorry DPR I simply don't believe its the same issue nor the same volume of problem. Me ? Even if I were going a D750 I'd hold off for several months as its retail price is going to sink as people simply don't buy it in the numbers Nikon need to make money. Another great camera ruined by STINKER QC. Bring on the D760....
So when are Canon arranging for a recall if you state and restate that Canon 1DX owners are affected by the same fault as Nikon D750 users - or should I say none users as their all being recalled?
Donnie G: Remove the mirror box and OVF from the T6s/760D Rebel and shorten the flange distance between sensor and lens while keeping all of the enthusiast oriented operating controls and "presto", you have this excellent EOS M3 mirrorless camera. Now all that's needed are a few fast EF-M compact primes, say 15mm, 32mm, and 50mm to compliment their excellent 22mm, and you wind up with a very nice Leica fighter kit. If Canon delivers on those lenses then this M3 could be my street photography kit. Good job Canon! :)
Love my EOS-M's and all of the M glass - PLEASE Canon bring out more -thus far all of the M glass has been to a very high standard. Next - what about a 35 f1.4 SMT ( about 56mm in FF) with IS ? Or a 85mm F2 SMT with IS (about 135mm in FF) - oh sorry that could cause real problems for your DSLR sales !!
nunatak: will this finally wake nikon from their slumber and build a regular hot shoe into the N1 line too?
No, sadly I doubt it - Nikon have been in denial for a while now. As a Nikon shooter since 1977 (let me be clear I'm not a troll but my 1st brand is and has been for some years Canon) I can only think that with the 1 series Nikon do not have to rely upon expensive inported tech from SONY and thus would really like to prove that they can still cut it with a 100 % Nikon only product. Sadly - it isn't working…
Both Canon & Nikon have issues with the CSC market cutting into their DSLR sales but I think Nikon will have to blink 1st as Canon is continuing to make more money whereas…..
dwill23: I LOVED the EOS M. The size, weight, and image quality were truly awesome. People put too much emphasis on the AF, sadly because review sites like this had a pre-hung-jury before it could get into consumer's hands.
It was a great camera. Period. It took excellent photos. Period.
But, AF and Video performance on other cameras eclipsed the EOS M.
I can only assume the EOS M did so poorly in the US, that's why Canon didn't bring the EOS M2 or M3 to the US.
Well Canon, you fixed the video and the focus, so I'll take one!
This hurts Canon so much in the mirrosless segment that there must be another reason. Maybe they know people in the US can shell out the money for a small compact and an SLR and don't want one that comes close to doing both.
This slew of cameras is not enough to save troubled Canon. This is good news; they'll have to do better soon.
I'm hanging on to a few lenses and a 70D... but maybe not for long. (I used to have EOS 1s and all L's).
Time will tell.
Good points - well made - I agree with 99 % of what you have said - but Canon are increasing their profits even as overall camera sales across the WHOLE market/ all brands decline, so Canon are far from troubled. I like you, wish Canon would come out fighting and take on Panasonic, Fuji and Olympus in the CSC market place fully. Sadly they do not need to and thus aren't. Didn't someone tell Sony something similar when MP3 / iPod came along - where is the Walkman now ?
jukeboxjohnnie: FAIL !!!! No viewfinder which is expected among enthusiasts these days
But there is one - check out the full facts - Canon will be offering a slot on digital VF which they already produce.