dnral: Sad Joe:
I feel sorry for you. Canon should have picked you up in a Limo and taken you to the Photokino show for its unveiling. You should have also been given a gift bag with all of the new cameras.
It's not too late to write an angry letter to Canon letting them know exactly how you feel.
I do feel sorry for you and all the others here that whine and bemoan all the shortcomings of a product that you know absolutely nothing about.
I did not know, like the many, that you had been awaiting a decent ff body with the bargain price tag. Try Craig's List.
Sadly Joe, I am not venting my frustration directly at you, as you are to Canon, I just think you really are a sad person.
Please, don't be afraid to ask for help. There is no reason to go through life as Sad Joe:)
Your new friend,
LOL! Thanks David !!
JimSab: I've followed DP Review for 6 years now (I'm 21 btw) and nothing has sparked my interest more.
I've come to the conclusion that the 6D was stripped of certain features to keep the size down - there used to be a time when the 5D (I bought it second hand 2.5 years ago for AU$1500) was the smallest they could go, but now they've created something smaller. I never personally warmed to the bulk and weight of the 5D.
I'm no doubt aiming to spend the next 6 months saving for it, because it has everything I need, my only problem with the 5D has been the lack of Micro Focus Adjustment - which the 6D has, and doesn't cost $3700 (I won't settle for the 4 year old MKII). My 24-70 had IRRITATING focus issues.
Also, I only need one focus point, I never trust the 50,000 points any camera could have, it will always focus on the closest subject. Not useful for me. -3EV is however a god send for my light painting photography.
Now, STOP COMPLAINING, GO OUT AND TAKE MORE PICTURES! ALL OF YOU.
Sorry as a 'loyal' Canon user I have to disagree - reserve the picture - if you were a Nikon owner why would you want to switch to the 6D? A slightly lighter body, perhaps a slightly higher screen res - that's all. Now reserve it again if you were seeking to go FF what would attract you about the Nikon D600 - for me - almost everything ! Sorry Canon the 6D is 3rd rate for the money. You deserve all the stick your getting. I'm planning to use up my Canon gear whilst saving for a Nikon and begin again.
Aleksandr Pishchik: Canon should have "slightly" revised 7D with full frame sensor and GPS. One convenient feature that, in my humbly opinion is missing, on all full frame Canons and available on Nikon is ability to switch on crop factor. One camera can be used for landscaping and birding by a switch. I have 5D original, 7D, and a few L lenses otherwise I would consider Nikon 800 serious. Actually I am staying for now with what I have. Anyway, it is a person behind the camera that produces a picture and camera is merely a tool.
Sure that Canon will upgrade the 7D massively - areas such as AF with video, improved rear screen, two card slots and perhaps (fingers crossed) RADIO wireless flash control. However this will confuse the FF v's APS-C market still further. It appears to me that all of the innovation by Canon is going into APS-C to try to hold the fort - clearly Canon have lost massive market share here already - as a Canon owner I find the Nikon D7000 spec much more to my liking that the current 7D with its suspect AF and (compared to the D7000) poor high ISO. As a Canon owner I am already starting to feel that the battle been lost - Canon are in decline, Nikon are on a roll. I'm old enough to remember when Canon took over as Number 1 from Nikon (mid 1980's) and it's happening again but in reserve. It'll take a few more years - but mark my words. Whoever felt the 6D was good enough for £1800 should be matched out of their HQ's today !! A whole new generation of camera users are going for Nikon 1st.
Francis Carver: 6D is not intended at all for video shooters, surely. Mono sound (in late 2012!!!), no external microphone input, no headphone jack, USB 2.0, no clean uncompressed video output in active mode via HDMI, and so on.
Nikon D600 at the same exact price has all these features and stereo audio, so it smokes the Canon 6D in a nanosecond.
As a Canon fanboy I can only say that Canon have given me the best possible reason to either stick with Canon APS-C - where they do show innovation or junk the whole lot and go Nikon. Frankly if the 6D spec had been the D600 spec I'm have none of these thoughts. The rot set in when the Nikon D3 appeared - Canon seem frozen as what to do next. Such a shame - but I simply couldn't spend all that money on a Canon knowing it was 3rd rate compared to a Nikon costing just a few pounds more. Think me and Canon have come to the end of the road.
Just junk - not a Sony in drag at all - just cause its got all Sony parts we shouldn't jump to conclusions - Fuji , sorry Hasselblad might make their own sensor for the next one - yep - PIGS WILL FLY.
Interesting that no one from Canon has been interviewed by DP - I suspect that no one wanted to step up to the plate and get hammered over the new 6D. I'm off to a Culumet Open Day next month - Canon staff will be there - without being too rude I fully intend to speak my mind !
Tape5: This year is double Xmas for Nikon. They are standing way above the competition after the Photokina dust settles. I will remember 2012 with D800 and RX1.
Sadly as a Canon fan boy ( but I still have a Nikon FM from 1979) I have to agree - the 6D is yet another nail - unless it become real cheap (unlikely) Nikon will continue to eat away at Canon's market share. I feel this began with the D3/ D700 - pretty well until then Canon AF & high ISO was often better - now the tables have turned and Nikon continues to produce features that would help me take better pics - like a 39 point AF - not silly rubbish like built in GPS... a very depressed Canon owner....
This Nikon Guy must be laughing his socks off at the new Canon 6D and who can blame him?
Craig76: The more I compare the 6D to the 5D Mark II and Nikon D600 the less reason I see for its existence. I would either switch to Nikon, or get a 5D Mark II as my next camera. The extra 2 stops of high ISO are the only thing that look interesting.
Also im disappointed in both the 6D and D600 for having the auto focus points so clustered near the center. I suppose thats an unavoidable side effect of trying to make the camera bodies smaller. But I would rather have a larger camera body like the 5D or D800.
I'll wait for the tests, but im going to keep my eyes out and if the 5D mark II drops to $1700 i'll grab one. Heck, there available for $1900 most places already.
Good points - at least with a good second hand 5D2 your buying an upmarket, robust camera not a warmed over Rebel with a poor spec but a FF sensor ! Canon have made a huge mistake with the 6D just as Nikon did with the System 1 cameras. If I were still shooting weddings, using 5D2's I would see NIL reason to 'upgrade' to the 6D and lots of reasons to save hard and wait for a 5D£ - perhaps that is Canon's game plan ? In the meantime those like me awaiting a decent FF for a fair (not cheap) price are stuffed and wishing that we owned Nikon's.... do Canon have any idea how many people they have upset? Guess not....
QSMcDraw: For the money, the AF on the 60D is very hard to beat. ALL nine AF points are cross-type, and I get lovely compositions without having to use the center-point, recompose method. Very aggravating that the 6D can't even give us that level of AF, offering only ONE cross-type. Is the FF sensor so expensive that, in a camera twice the price of the 60D, we need a creaky, entry level AF system?
Guess the dollar and the euro ain't what they used to be, for sure.
Perhaps once when full frame sensors were very new - 5 years ago - but now with 10's of thousands made (by Canon & Nikon) the only reason for the much higher prices is greed / the need to pay for the advanced R & D. Given that the 6D is based on a (poor) Rebel design and that Rebels costing £500 have a better spec - it still means Canon expects me to pay up an additional £1300 for that FF sensor. They can get stuffed ! I'd rather sell my Canon gear and change to Nikon at least I'd get a fully spec camera designed for photographers. Wi-Fi and GPS ? - oh yep - gonna help me focus on fast moving subjects a whole lot - not.
Craig76: I would rather have features I will use. A built in intervalometer rather than GPS., dual card slots (backup for weddings/events, one for video one for pics, one for JPEG one for RAW, for overflow) instead of wifi which is really to slow for uploading gigabytes of data in a hurry.
They could have at least given it the same auto focus as my Rebel XTi. 9 point all cross type.
Going back to the intervalometer. Why isn't Canon putting this in there cameras? It costs nothing to do, it could be done with a software update, and its extremely useful for astral photography which I do alot of. Nikon is doing it.
It seems Nikon is designing their cameras with the photographers needs in mind, while Canon is intentionally crippling their equipment. I think Nikon's market share is going to grow ALOT this next year.
Now you I agree with every word ! Canon have cocked this up big time, Nikon are still adding features I want. Next it'll be the Nikon D7000 Mk2 that'll kick sand in our faces. I so what to believe that Canon have a clue what their doing .. but my faith is weakening with every new Nikon model that comes along. This is painful.
LeeDo: WOW the negativity!! This camera was designed and meant to be used for landscape and portrait photography. Hence the FF sensor. I have the 7D for macro, sport and wildlife. I also own all L series glass, a big plus for use with this camera. I chose the 7D for its size which fits perfectly in my hands, and the 6D is just a smidgeon smaller and lighter. PERFECT! I plan on using the two bodies for their intended purposes. And THANK YOU CANON for giving us Wi-Fi and GPS!! This will force other manufacturers to do the same. Two sorely lacking functionalities on all other DSLR FF cameras. The simplistic button functionality is a godsend. I don't need a billion buttons performing this and that. The inclusion of a popup flash and AF assist lamp would be a waste on this camera. The sensor will more than make up for these omissions. The 6D is just what I have been waiting for to complete my kit. And you can bet Canon will sell millions of these things! The sales figures will be the tell all.
Wow - I disagree with every word - sorry. Do you work for Canon?
KevinCT: I was ready to buy the Canon 5d Mk II today. Now I see this! Can anyone give me quick advice on buying a 5DMkII (not the III) or getting the 6D instead? I have a 40D now and a whole set of "L" glass so I'm committed to Canon. These models are so close I don't know what to do. Thanks!
I strongly suspect that given a few months the 6D will fall in price - perhaps by a huge amount - I still wouldn't buy it even at £1200 (a 30% drop) as its spec sheet is less than a £500 Rebel - in which case I'd still be spending £700 just for a sensor. If this is all part of Canon's plan - then its backfired - Canon Fanboys like me feel cheated - we see the Nikon D600 and dearly want our beloved Canon brand to be BETTER - not far WORST. I moved to Canon from Nikon several years ago because of better AF and better high ISO - both areas Nikon now has a clear lead and they are continuing to produce cameras I really want. OK - Nikon 1 is a massive mistake - but tell me which Nikon DSLR has been worst than its Canon counterpart over the past 4 years? I repeat Canon is stuffed just as much as Nikon were when Canon introduced decent AF. Only a matter of time....
balico: This 6D will have a hard time beating it's direct competitor D600 on sensor quality as the D600 is just tested on DXO ahead in all aspects on the D800 (100% zoomed image) and has a 2.5 stop advantage in dynamic range over the 5DIII.
Although GPS and WiFi are nice added features on the 6D, it baffles me why Canon choose not to include a built-in-flash on their consumer FF camera..
Because Canon have stated that for professional cameras a built in flash isn't required - OK - sort of - I know lots of Pros who use their built in flash as they need (both Nikon & Canon) but with the 6D being based on a (poor spec) Rebel surely its time to reconsider. I have no interest in GPS nor WiFi - I want features that improve my pics not replace my iPad ! As a Canon fanboy I am no longer confident that Canon is working towards a plan - just a few weeks ago we have real innovation with a great touch screen, improved AF with video and the EOS-M - then suddenly this. Its plain to see that Canon despite having YEARS to consider its next FF camera has just gone into their parts bin and knocked together a c**p camera. Nothing is innovative - unless the -3 EV AF is correct - and if it is why waste it on this camera with only 11 AF points, only one of which is a cross type?
Now if Canon were the only brand in town none of this would matter.... but they are NOT. Nikon D600 anyone?
I plan to attend next months Open day at Calumet - the Canon staff will of course be there - anything you Canon fans would like me to tell them face to face about the c**p 6D and how we all wish our lenses would fit the Nikon D600 instead ?
DBHQ: Initially I am quite excited about the size and weight considering it being FF. Being a smaller camera still good ergonomics by the looks of it.
This weekend I'll be driving to Photokina in Cologne, Germany to experience the 6D.
Enjoy the show ! Make sure you visit Nikon and see the D600. as well. Me- I'm a massive Canon fanboy but no way I'd pay £1200 let alone £1800 for a body built as well as a Rebel and with less features than a £500 Rebel to boot. Whoever thought that this was OK at Canon Japan needs to be walked off the site - now! I strongly suspect it might be the same guy who talked Nikon into the 1 series.....Not impressed Canon ! Please let the Canon staff at Photokina know just how bad the press is in the real world.
Good luck ! Apple has lost its way (new iPhone 5 anyone?) so why not ?
I'd wait for the full reviews to come, being newer the 6D should be better in high ISO and has an improved AF being 11 spots v's 9 on the 5D2. Little else appears to have changed. The AF on the 5D2 wasn't brilliant far less than that on the Nikon D700 for example - Canon claim the 6D can focus down to -3 EV (very low light) but it has only one cross type sensor - which for a brand new camera at this level is frankly very poor. Both Canon cameras will display a huge jump in quality compared to your 40D so you will not be disappointed. I, like you have a heavy commitment to Canon but am so disappointed by the 6D's spec which is so very poor compared to the Nikon D600. Pity for us that our lenses won't just fit a Nikon and work fully. Despite this I strongly suspect my next DSLR will be a Nikon ( ! ) There seems little doubt that Nikon are on a roll and Canon are in decline. Bitter ? Me? Surely not.
Esmee Farquhar: Looks like whoever decided on the 11-pt AF system watched Spinal Tap. Going from 9 pt to 10 pt AF system would have been lame, so the engineers asked themselves, "Where do we go from here? Where do we go from here?" And the answer was - Eleven!
LOL! Rather have 39 points then 11. Managing with just 9 on my Canon 40D and 20D - but they often miss and are pretty rubbish at anything moving, the 19 point 7D was too complex and many found it of limited use - Nikon have a clear lead here as their focusing sees colour as well as black & white.
Donnie G: I own Canon, but I've used plenty of Nikon gear as well, and I'm just as hyped about the D600 as I am about the 6D. With the introduction of these 2 cameras, Canon and Nikon have served notice to their competition that they are dividing up the 35mm full frame DSLR market between them, and there'll be nothing but scraps left for the rest of the players. Sony's A99 SLT, if it survives at all, will be reduced to being a niche or cult camera similar to the Sigma SD1 and for the same reason, which is that the perceived flaws in traditional DSLR design that Sony and Sigma seek to correct are only relevant to a tiny minority of users. Meanwhile, the industry giants continue to refine what they know already works.
We can post our little nitpicks about a camera's specs on paper all we want, but success in the marketplace is the only paper spec that counts in the real world.
Yep - I use BOTH Canon & Nikon but prefer Canon - this became my main brand some years ago as Canon had much better AF & high ISO - both now lost to Nikon, the 6D spec is BASIC - the D600 spec interesting - so unless the Canon is much cheaper its not good value - I strongly suspect that Canon will drop the price by a good £200 - £400 when the market settles - but I'll still be thinking of all that's missing not what I've brought.