Interesting that no one from Canon has been interviewed by DP - I suspect that no one wanted to step up to the plate and get hammered over the new 6D. I'm off to a Culumet Open Day next month - Canon staff will be there - without being too rude I fully intend to speak my mind !
Tape5: This year is double Xmas for Nikon. They are standing way above the competition after the Photokina dust settles. I will remember 2012 with D800 and RX1.
Sadly as a Canon fan boy ( but I still have a Nikon FM from 1979) I have to agree - the 6D is yet another nail - unless it become real cheap (unlikely) Nikon will continue to eat away at Canon's market share. I feel this began with the D3/ D700 - pretty well until then Canon AF & high ISO was often better - now the tables have turned and Nikon continues to produce features that would help me take better pics - like a 39 point AF - not silly rubbish like built in GPS... a very depressed Canon owner....
This Nikon Guy must be laughing his socks off at the new Canon 6D and who can blame him?
Craig76: The more I compare the 6D to the 5D Mark II and Nikon D600 the less reason I see for its existence. I would either switch to Nikon, or get a 5D Mark II as my next camera. The extra 2 stops of high ISO are the only thing that look interesting.
Also im disappointed in both the 6D and D600 for having the auto focus points so clustered near the center. I suppose thats an unavoidable side effect of trying to make the camera bodies smaller. But I would rather have a larger camera body like the 5D or D800.
I'll wait for the tests, but im going to keep my eyes out and if the 5D mark II drops to $1700 i'll grab one. Heck, there available for $1900 most places already.
Good points - at least with a good second hand 5D2 your buying an upmarket, robust camera not a warmed over Rebel with a poor spec but a FF sensor ! Canon have made a huge mistake with the 6D just as Nikon did with the System 1 cameras. If I were still shooting weddings, using 5D2's I would see NIL reason to 'upgrade' to the 6D and lots of reasons to save hard and wait for a 5D£ - perhaps that is Canon's game plan ? In the meantime those like me awaiting a decent FF for a fair (not cheap) price are stuffed and wishing that we owned Nikon's.... do Canon have any idea how many people they have upset? Guess not....
QSMcDraw: For the money, the AF on the 60D is very hard to beat. ALL nine AF points are cross-type, and I get lovely compositions without having to use the center-point, recompose method. Very aggravating that the 6D can't even give us that level of AF, offering only ONE cross-type. Is the FF sensor so expensive that, in a camera twice the price of the 60D, we need a creaky, entry level AF system?
Guess the dollar and the euro ain't what they used to be, for sure.
Perhaps once when full frame sensors were very new - 5 years ago - but now with 10's of thousands made (by Canon & Nikon) the only reason for the much higher prices is greed / the need to pay for the advanced R & D. Given that the 6D is based on a (poor) Rebel design and that Rebels costing £500 have a better spec - it still means Canon expects me to pay up an additional £1300 for that FF sensor. They can get stuffed ! I'd rather sell my Canon gear and change to Nikon at least I'd get a fully spec camera designed for photographers. Wi-Fi and GPS ? - oh yep - gonna help me focus on fast moving subjects a whole lot - not.
Craig76: I would rather have features I will use. A built in intervalometer rather than GPS., dual card slots (backup for weddings/events, one for video one for pics, one for JPEG one for RAW, for overflow) instead of wifi which is really to slow for uploading gigabytes of data in a hurry.
They could have at least given it the same auto focus as my Rebel XTi. 9 point all cross type.
Going back to the intervalometer. Why isn't Canon putting this in there cameras? It costs nothing to do, it could be done with a software update, and its extremely useful for astral photography which I do alot of. Nikon is doing it.
It seems Nikon is designing their cameras with the photographers needs in mind, while Canon is intentionally crippling their equipment. I think Nikon's market share is going to grow ALOT this next year.
Now you I agree with every word ! Canon have cocked this up big time, Nikon are still adding features I want. Next it'll be the Nikon D7000 Mk2 that'll kick sand in our faces. I so what to believe that Canon have a clue what their doing .. but my faith is weakening with every new Nikon model that comes along. This is painful.
LeeDo: WOW the negativity!! This camera was designed and meant to be used for landscape and portrait photography. Hence the FF sensor. I have the 7D for macro, sport and wildlife. I also own all L series glass, a big plus for use with this camera. I chose the 7D for its size which fits perfectly in my hands, and the 6D is just a smidgeon smaller and lighter. PERFECT! I plan on using the two bodies for their intended purposes. And THANK YOU CANON for giving us Wi-Fi and GPS!! This will force other manufacturers to do the same. Two sorely lacking functionalities on all other DSLR FF cameras. The simplistic button functionality is a godsend. I don't need a billion buttons performing this and that. The inclusion of a popup flash and AF assist lamp would be a waste on this camera. The sensor will more than make up for these omissions. The 6D is just what I have been waiting for to complete my kit. And you can bet Canon will sell millions of these things! The sales figures will be the tell all.
Wow - I disagree with every word - sorry. Do you work for Canon?
KevinCT: I was ready to buy the Canon 5d Mk II today. Now I see this! Can anyone give me quick advice on buying a 5DMkII (not the III) or getting the 6D instead? I have a 40D now and a whole set of "L" glass so I'm committed to Canon. These models are so close I don't know what to do. Thanks!
I strongly suspect that given a few months the 6D will fall in price - perhaps by a huge amount - I still wouldn't buy it even at £1200 (a 30% drop) as its spec sheet is less than a £500 Rebel - in which case I'd still be spending £700 just for a sensor. If this is all part of Canon's plan - then its backfired - Canon Fanboys like me feel cheated - we see the Nikon D600 and dearly want our beloved Canon brand to be BETTER - not far WORST. I moved to Canon from Nikon several years ago because of better AF and better high ISO - both areas Nikon now has a clear lead and they are continuing to produce cameras I really want. OK - Nikon 1 is a massive mistake - but tell me which Nikon DSLR has been worst than its Canon counterpart over the past 4 years? I repeat Canon is stuffed just as much as Nikon were when Canon introduced decent AF. Only a matter of time....
balico: This 6D will have a hard time beating it's direct competitor D600 on sensor quality as the D600 is just tested on DXO ahead in all aspects on the D800 (100% zoomed image) and has a 2.5 stop advantage in dynamic range over the 5DIII.
Although GPS and WiFi are nice added features on the 6D, it baffles me why Canon choose not to include a built-in-flash on their consumer FF camera..
Because Canon have stated that for professional cameras a built in flash isn't required - OK - sort of - I know lots of Pros who use their built in flash as they need (both Nikon & Canon) but with the 6D being based on a (poor spec) Rebel surely its time to reconsider. I have no interest in GPS nor WiFi - I want features that improve my pics not replace my iPad ! As a Canon fanboy I am no longer confident that Canon is working towards a plan - just a few weeks ago we have real innovation with a great touch screen, improved AF with video and the EOS-M - then suddenly this. Its plain to see that Canon despite having YEARS to consider its next FF camera has just gone into their parts bin and knocked together a c**p camera. Nothing is innovative - unless the -3 EV AF is correct - and if it is why waste it on this camera with only 11 AF points, only one of which is a cross type?
Now if Canon were the only brand in town none of this would matter.... but they are NOT. Nikon D600 anyone?
I plan to attend next months Open day at Calumet - the Canon staff will of course be there - anything you Canon fans would like me to tell them face to face about the c**p 6D and how we all wish our lenses would fit the Nikon D600 instead ?
DBHQ: Initially I am quite excited about the size and weight considering it being FF. Being a smaller camera still good ergonomics by the looks of it.
This weekend I'll be driving to Photokina in Cologne, Germany to experience the 6D.
Enjoy the show ! Make sure you visit Nikon and see the D600. as well. Me- I'm a massive Canon fanboy but no way I'd pay £1200 let alone £1800 for a body built as well as a Rebel and with less features than a £500 Rebel to boot. Whoever thought that this was OK at Canon Japan needs to be walked off the site - now! I strongly suspect it might be the same guy who talked Nikon into the 1 series.....Not impressed Canon ! Please let the Canon staff at Photokina know just how bad the press is in the real world.
Good luck ! Apple has lost its way (new iPhone 5 anyone?) so why not ?
I'd wait for the full reviews to come, being newer the 6D should be better in high ISO and has an improved AF being 11 spots v's 9 on the 5D2. Little else appears to have changed. The AF on the 5D2 wasn't brilliant far less than that on the Nikon D700 for example - Canon claim the 6D can focus down to -3 EV (very low light) but it has only one cross type sensor - which for a brand new camera at this level is frankly very poor. Both Canon cameras will display a huge jump in quality compared to your 40D so you will not be disappointed. I, like you have a heavy commitment to Canon but am so disappointed by the 6D's spec which is so very poor compared to the Nikon D600. Pity for us that our lenses won't just fit a Nikon and work fully. Despite this I strongly suspect my next DSLR will be a Nikon ( ! ) There seems little doubt that Nikon are on a roll and Canon are in decline. Bitter ? Me? Surely not.
Esmee Farquhar: Looks like whoever decided on the 11-pt AF system watched Spinal Tap. Going from 9 pt to 10 pt AF system would have been lame, so the engineers asked themselves, "Where do we go from here? Where do we go from here?" And the answer was - Eleven!
LOL! Rather have 39 points then 11. Managing with just 9 on my Canon 40D and 20D - but they often miss and are pretty rubbish at anything moving, the 19 point 7D was too complex and many found it of limited use - Nikon have a clear lead here as their focusing sees colour as well as black & white.
Donnie G: I own Canon, but I've used plenty of Nikon gear as well, and I'm just as hyped about the D600 as I am about the 6D. With the introduction of these 2 cameras, Canon and Nikon have served notice to their competition that they are dividing up the 35mm full frame DSLR market between them, and there'll be nothing but scraps left for the rest of the players. Sony's A99 SLT, if it survives at all, will be reduced to being a niche or cult camera similar to the Sigma SD1 and for the same reason, which is that the perceived flaws in traditional DSLR design that Sony and Sigma seek to correct are only relevant to a tiny minority of users. Meanwhile, the industry giants continue to refine what they know already works.
We can post our little nitpicks about a camera's specs on paper all we want, but success in the marketplace is the only paper spec that counts in the real world.
Yep - I use BOTH Canon & Nikon but prefer Canon - this became my main brand some years ago as Canon had much better AF & high ISO - both now lost to Nikon, the 6D spec is BASIC - the D600 spec interesting - so unless the Canon is much cheaper its not good value - I strongly suspect that Canon will drop the price by a good £200 - £400 when the market settles - but I'll still be thinking of all that's missing not what I've brought.
Fluorite: This camera seems to be in the same spirit as the old Pentax K1000. In other words, a fantastic student camera which doesn't confuse with an oversupply of features.Having said that, I can easily imagine myself using the 6D, even though I already own a 1DIV and 5DIII. The 6D is just a pure photography tool without feeling the need for chrome trimmings, fat tyres and 20" wheels.From a marketing perspective, it's probably not a winner, but from a photography perspective (specifically portraiture, wedding and landscape), do you really need that much more?
Yep for the same monies we can have a better camera - its called the Nikon D600....the 6D is simply pants and I am a Canon user....
ckhphotgraphy: If Canon wan to be a market leader, all features shall build better than others. Plz dont just simply improve some features from Nikon, then think is the solution.... isn't after 6 months, 6d mark ii coming soon?
Well said - the 6D is a pile of bits found at the bottom of the Canon parts bin - and not the best parts - I've lost my faith that Canon can now do anything to stop their decline - seen this coming since Nikon D3 - Canon is still better at video - but for how much longer? Nikon with massive tech support from Sony are eating Canon's market share bit by bit. My next DSLR ? At this rate it'll be a Nikon !
Turismo: After seeing this review, at this stage I'm leaning towards the D600 (pending on DP's review of it). On paper at least, the D600 seems like a more complete camera out of the box that will suit up and coming enthusiast photographers. Built in GPS and wifi would be the icing on the cake if the D600 had them.
No question the D600 has ripped the pants off the 6D and run away laughing. The only thing that will save the Canon are committed Canon users who don't wish to change ( I am no longer one of them) a massive price drop in a few months thus supplying the long waited FF body for the common man.
CameraLabTester: 1/180 sync speed
The Jurassic Nikon D70 of digital light years ago had 1/500 !!!!
Yep - we used to use 3 x D70's for weddings - the picture IQ was good, the AF and high ISO poor - but boy could they take some stick and as you say having a real time 1/500 flash speed was fab !
Happy memories of the D70.....
mixxtapekid: Hmm. This kind of disappointed me. Like others have said, i too would have much rather seen a 70D or 7D Mark II, something to reassure me sticking with the Canon brand.
It just seems like they recycle the same seemingly ancient technology in every new device.
So, I need some advice.
I have a T3/1100D. I bought it December of last year. It is my first DSLR. I had no idea what to look for in a DSLR when i bought it, but i do like the picture i can get out of it. It was $420 for the 18-55 IS II kit. Later on i bought a Sigma 50-200mm HSM OS for $150 and a 50/1.8 for $90. Needless to say i have outgrown its basic features and im itching for a new body and new glass.
Should i hope pray that maybe Canon will pull it together for the 70D or 7D Mark II soon and buy some good glass. Or jump ship with a D5100 or D7000? Both are pretty cheap now.
Also since the T3 is such a basic DSLR my mom said she'll be glad to have it.
I was pretty sure that the 7D Mk2 would have a massive much improved spec including AF with video and RADIO wireless flash control - but seeing what a huge pigs ear Canon have made of their 6D I'm no longer confident of anything. Do their designers live in a dark room where no daylight reaches ? Or is the problem with their SMT who have lost their way? At this moment I'm 99 % certain I'll jump ship to Nikon when I can afford a new DSLR - and as a proud canon owner that idea makes me feel slightly sick.