Craig76: I would rather have features I will use. A built in intervalometer rather than GPS., dual card slots (backup for weddings/events, one for video one for pics, one for JPEG one for RAW, for overflow) instead of wifi which is really to slow for uploading gigabytes of data in a hurry.
They could have at least given it the same auto focus as my Rebel XTi. 9 point all cross type.
Going back to the intervalometer. Why isn't Canon putting this in there cameras? It costs nothing to do, it could be done with a software update, and its extremely useful for astral photography which I do alot of. Nikon is doing it.
It seems Nikon is designing their cameras with the photographers needs in mind, while Canon is intentionally crippling their equipment. I think Nikon's market share is going to grow ALOT this next year.
Now you I agree with every word ! Canon have cocked this up big time, Nikon are still adding features I want. Next it'll be the Nikon D7000 Mk2 that'll kick sand in our faces. I so what to believe that Canon have a clue what their doing .. but my faith is weakening with every new Nikon model that comes along. This is painful.
LeeDo: WOW the negativity!! This camera was designed and meant to be used for landscape and portrait photography. Hence the FF sensor. I have the 7D for macro, sport and wildlife. I also own all L series glass, a big plus for use with this camera. I chose the 7D for its size which fits perfectly in my hands, and the 6D is just a smidgeon smaller and lighter. PERFECT! I plan on using the two bodies for their intended purposes. And THANK YOU CANON for giving us Wi-Fi and GPS!! This will force other manufacturers to do the same. Two sorely lacking functionalities on all other DSLR FF cameras. The simplistic button functionality is a godsend. I don't need a billion buttons performing this and that. The inclusion of a popup flash and AF assist lamp would be a waste on this camera. The sensor will more than make up for these omissions. The 6D is just what I have been waiting for to complete my kit. And you can bet Canon will sell millions of these things! The sales figures will be the tell all.
Wow - I disagree with every word - sorry. Do you work for Canon?
KevinCT: I was ready to buy the Canon 5d Mk II today. Now I see this! Can anyone give me quick advice on buying a 5DMkII (not the III) or getting the 6D instead? I have a 40D now and a whole set of "L" glass so I'm committed to Canon. These models are so close I don't know what to do. Thanks!
I strongly suspect that given a few months the 6D will fall in price - perhaps by a huge amount - I still wouldn't buy it even at £1200 (a 30% drop) as its spec sheet is less than a £500 Rebel - in which case I'd still be spending £700 just for a sensor. If this is all part of Canon's plan - then its backfired - Canon Fanboys like me feel cheated - we see the Nikon D600 and dearly want our beloved Canon brand to be BETTER - not far WORST. I moved to Canon from Nikon several years ago because of better AF and better high ISO - both areas Nikon now has a clear lead and they are continuing to produce cameras I really want. OK - Nikon 1 is a massive mistake - but tell me which Nikon DSLR has been worst than its Canon counterpart over the past 4 years? I repeat Canon is stuffed just as much as Nikon were when Canon introduced decent AF. Only a matter of time....
balico: This 6D will have a hard time beating it's direct competitor D600 on sensor quality as the D600 is just tested on DXO ahead in all aspects on the D800 (100% zoomed image) and has a 2.5 stop advantage in dynamic range over the 5DIII.
Although GPS and WiFi are nice added features on the 6D, it baffles me why Canon choose not to include a built-in-flash on their consumer FF camera..
Because Canon have stated that for professional cameras a built in flash isn't required - OK - sort of - I know lots of Pros who use their built in flash as they need (both Nikon & Canon) but with the 6D being based on a (poor spec) Rebel surely its time to reconsider. I have no interest in GPS nor WiFi - I want features that improve my pics not replace my iPad ! As a Canon fanboy I am no longer confident that Canon is working towards a plan - just a few weeks ago we have real innovation with a great touch screen, improved AF with video and the EOS-M - then suddenly this. Its plain to see that Canon despite having YEARS to consider its next FF camera has just gone into their parts bin and knocked together a c**p camera. Nothing is innovative - unless the -3 EV AF is correct - and if it is why waste it on this camera with only 11 AF points, only one of which is a cross type?
Now if Canon were the only brand in town none of this would matter.... but they are NOT. Nikon D600 anyone?
I plan to attend next months Open day at Calumet - the Canon staff will of course be there - anything you Canon fans would like me to tell them face to face about the c**p 6D and how we all wish our lenses would fit the Nikon D600 instead ?
DBHQ: Initially I am quite excited about the size and weight considering it being FF. Being a smaller camera still good ergonomics by the looks of it.
This weekend I'll be driving to Photokina in Cologne, Germany to experience the 6D.
Enjoy the show ! Make sure you visit Nikon and see the D600. as well. Me- I'm a massive Canon fanboy but no way I'd pay £1200 let alone £1800 for a body built as well as a Rebel and with less features than a £500 Rebel to boot. Whoever thought that this was OK at Canon Japan needs to be walked off the site - now! I strongly suspect it might be the same guy who talked Nikon into the 1 series.....Not impressed Canon ! Please let the Canon staff at Photokina know just how bad the press is in the real world.
Good luck ! Apple has lost its way (new iPhone 5 anyone?) so why not ?
I'd wait for the full reviews to come, being newer the 6D should be better in high ISO and has an improved AF being 11 spots v's 9 on the 5D2. Little else appears to have changed. The AF on the 5D2 wasn't brilliant far less than that on the Nikon D700 for example - Canon claim the 6D can focus down to -3 EV (very low light) but it has only one cross type sensor - which for a brand new camera at this level is frankly very poor. Both Canon cameras will display a huge jump in quality compared to your 40D so you will not be disappointed. I, like you have a heavy commitment to Canon but am so disappointed by the 6D's spec which is so very poor compared to the Nikon D600. Pity for us that our lenses won't just fit a Nikon and work fully. Despite this I strongly suspect my next DSLR will be a Nikon ( ! ) There seems little doubt that Nikon are on a roll and Canon are in decline. Bitter ? Me? Surely not.
Esmee Farquhar: Looks like whoever decided on the 11-pt AF system watched Spinal Tap. Going from 9 pt to 10 pt AF system would have been lame, so the engineers asked themselves, "Where do we go from here? Where do we go from here?" And the answer was - Eleven!
LOL! Rather have 39 points then 11. Managing with just 9 on my Canon 40D and 20D - but they often miss and are pretty rubbish at anything moving, the 19 point 7D was too complex and many found it of limited use - Nikon have a clear lead here as their focusing sees colour as well as black & white.
Donnie G: I own Canon, but I've used plenty of Nikon gear as well, and I'm just as hyped about the D600 as I am about the 6D. With the introduction of these 2 cameras, Canon and Nikon have served notice to their competition that they are dividing up the 35mm full frame DSLR market between them, and there'll be nothing but scraps left for the rest of the players. Sony's A99 SLT, if it survives at all, will be reduced to being a niche or cult camera similar to the Sigma SD1 and for the same reason, which is that the perceived flaws in traditional DSLR design that Sony and Sigma seek to correct are only relevant to a tiny minority of users. Meanwhile, the industry giants continue to refine what they know already works.
We can post our little nitpicks about a camera's specs on paper all we want, but success in the marketplace is the only paper spec that counts in the real world.
Yep - I use BOTH Canon & Nikon but prefer Canon - this became my main brand some years ago as Canon had much better AF & high ISO - both now lost to Nikon, the 6D spec is BASIC - the D600 spec interesting - so unless the Canon is much cheaper its not good value - I strongly suspect that Canon will drop the price by a good £200 - £400 when the market settles - but I'll still be thinking of all that's missing not what I've brought.
Fluorite: This camera seems to be in the same spirit as the old Pentax K1000. In other words, a fantastic student camera which doesn't confuse with an oversupply of features.Having said that, I can easily imagine myself using the 6D, even though I already own a 1DIV and 5DIII. The 6D is just a pure photography tool without feeling the need for chrome trimmings, fat tyres and 20" wheels.From a marketing perspective, it's probably not a winner, but from a photography perspective (specifically portraiture, wedding and landscape), do you really need that much more?
Yep for the same monies we can have a better camera - its called the Nikon D600....the 6D is simply pants and I am a Canon user....
ckhphotgraphy: If Canon wan to be a market leader, all features shall build better than others. Plz dont just simply improve some features from Nikon, then think is the solution.... isn't after 6 months, 6d mark ii coming soon?
Well said - the 6D is a pile of bits found at the bottom of the Canon parts bin - and not the best parts - I've lost my faith that Canon can now do anything to stop their decline - seen this coming since Nikon D3 - Canon is still better at video - but for how much longer? Nikon with massive tech support from Sony are eating Canon's market share bit by bit. My next DSLR ? At this rate it'll be a Nikon !
Turismo: After seeing this review, at this stage I'm leaning towards the D600 (pending on DP's review of it). On paper at least, the D600 seems like a more complete camera out of the box that will suit up and coming enthusiast photographers. Built in GPS and wifi would be the icing on the cake if the D600 had them.
No question the D600 has ripped the pants off the 6D and run away laughing. The only thing that will save the Canon are committed Canon users who don't wish to change ( I am no longer one of them) a massive price drop in a few months thus supplying the long waited FF body for the common man.
CameraLabTester: 1/180 sync speed
The Jurassic Nikon D70 of digital light years ago had 1/500 !!!!
Yep - we used to use 3 x D70's for weddings - the picture IQ was good, the AF and high ISO poor - but boy could they take some stick and as you say having a real time 1/500 flash speed was fab !
Happy memories of the D70.....
mixxtapekid: Hmm. This kind of disappointed me. Like others have said, i too would have much rather seen a 70D or 7D Mark II, something to reassure me sticking with the Canon brand.
It just seems like they recycle the same seemingly ancient technology in every new device.
So, I need some advice.
I have a T3/1100D. I bought it December of last year. It is my first DSLR. I had no idea what to look for in a DSLR when i bought it, but i do like the picture i can get out of it. It was $420 for the 18-55 IS II kit. Later on i bought a Sigma 50-200mm HSM OS for $150 and a 50/1.8 for $90. Needless to say i have outgrown its basic features and im itching for a new body and new glass.
Should i hope pray that maybe Canon will pull it together for the 70D or 7D Mark II soon and buy some good glass. Or jump ship with a D5100 or D7000? Both are pretty cheap now.
Also since the T3 is such a basic DSLR my mom said she'll be glad to have it.
I was pretty sure that the 7D Mk2 would have a massive much improved spec including AF with video and RADIO wireless flash control - but seeing what a huge pigs ear Canon have made of their 6D I'm no longer confident of anything. Do their designers live in a dark room where no daylight reaches ? Or is the problem with their SMT who have lost their way? At this moment I'm 99 % certain I'll jump ship to Nikon when I can afford a new DSLR - and as a proud canon owner that idea makes me feel slightly sick.
008 LicensetoShoot: same lousy AF system as the old 5DII. I wonder why they chose the 5DIII for comparison, and not the Nikon D800 (I don't really wonder, t'would be a rout :)
Canon are claiming that their new AF works down to -3 EV (very low light) in which case its the cameras ONLY decent spec - the rest is a collection from Canon's parts bin and not the best bits at that. Only 1x Cross Type AF sensor ? Surely a mistake when the AF is meant to class/ world leading = more pants from Canon, so so disappointed it hurts.
The first full reviews (NOT done by Canon fan boys) will expose who out of date and crap for the money this AF system is.....if its anything like the 7D AF system there will be plenty of unhappy clients to boot.
leogarber: I believe that the 6D allows the use of EF and EFS lenses. If that is true, all of us that have purchased and worked with EF lenses will be able to use the FF 6D with our old lenses, and keep the 7D for what it does. As profesional photographer in a developing nation where our work does not pay very high wages, the purchase of an expensive body may be an over kill. If you divide the numbers of shutter clicks that the body is programed to work (150.000) by the price and then as I most do, multiply that figure by our exchange rate 13.000 to 1 (US$) each click counts! As a travel writer and nature photographer my 7D works just fine. I had a 5D MK II stolen from me with the 70-200 f/4 L and it was a set back, that I am still paying. So the 6D could be a great option for a full frame before moving back to a camera that requires the more expensive "L" glass. Can anyone help me with this info?
NO your EF-S lenses will NOT fit - nor does the 6D have a touch screen or AF with video the other things that you might fully expect for almost £2K.
Read the spec for the Nikon D600 and weep - Canon have stuffed us all.
Gothmoth: so the 6D is a FF 60D.....
now explain why it cost twice as much.
nobody can tell me the FF sensor is 1000 euro more expensive!!!
my 80 euro smartphone has WIFI and GPS.a GPS tracker can be bought for 19 euro.mainboards with WIFI can be bought for 40 euro.
so GPS and WIFI chips seem to cost next to nothing...
so why does this camera cost twice as much as it´s APS-C sibbling... and NO it is not because the sensor costs 1000 euro more.....
I could not agree more - I think the 6D spec stinks for almost £2K and having someone from Canon state that its the FF for the masses that I (and many others) have been waiting for also stinks. I wish that my Canon lenses worked fully on a Nikon body right now as I have no wish to waste money on a duff spec camera such as the 6D when the much better spec D600 is just a few pounds more expensive.
Gothmoth: Nikon’s recently released consumer-oriented full-frame sensor DSLR, the D600, has just gone through DxOMark’s image quality evaluation tests. And the verdict is in: the D600 is an affordable camera that places a high premium on image quality, as it ranks just behind the top performing Nikon D800 and Nikon D800E. It is also a significant improvement over the high-end professional flagship DSLRs, the Nikon D3X and the Nikon D4. Here are the DxOMark test results for the D600.
Not such a shock - Nikon with massive tech support from Sony at on a roll - as an ex wedding photographer I've seen the massive growth of NIKON DSLR's starting with the D3 & D700 that entered the market place until then it was mainly 5D and 5D2. I've seen only 1x 5D£ at a wedding so far there have been more D800's - Canon is having its market share taken away bit by bit - it pains me to say this - but Canon seem to be lost in a sea of confusion as to where to jump next, all camera manufactures make mistakes (see Nikon 1) but Nikon SLR's have now made the running for a number of years and with the D600 seem certain to continue this trend. As a Canon owner I see NO VALUE in the 6D spec at all, it simply remains me what's missing and how much better the D600 is. Sick to my belly.
JimSab: Tell me why everyone is complaining, and justify to me how one could get a better A2 print with the Nikon as opposed to the Canon (I haven't even printed past A3+ actually).
I only expect to hear crickets, because if you're a good photographer, you will get good images out of any camera you use. If you're not, then do a course and learn. Your camera is useless if you think its million bells and whistles will help you get better pictures.
If a Pro is complaining, then maybe you aren't earning enough money to get a 5DmkIII and should improve your business to afford it.
I'm starting to think it's almost a good thing what Canon has done with its "lack" of focus points, because if it's true and one can get accurate focus in moonlight, that's solved many many problems in itself.
I wish everyone would stop complaining, go outside and take some fantastic photographs your camera (no matter what it is) is capable of.
Sorry JimSab - its not just bitching for the sake of it - its just that the Nikon D600 spec is SOOOO much better. Its like Canon can't be bothered - as for shooting at -3 EV - I'll believe when I see it - and then still moan about all the missing features that my almost £2K should entitle me to. Hint to Canon check out the spec for the D600 and answer why didn't Canon do the same ?
The 6D smacks of so much that Canon has done recently - 50D = poor high ISO, 7D = mixed reviews for AF - bettered all way around by the CHEAPER Nikon D7000. 5D£ = lovely but bettered by the CHEAPER D800 - need I go on?
Nikon are on a roll - Canon is in decline - a bitter pill as I love my Canon's....