vroger1: The only point seems to be an attempt to be on the mirrorless bandwagon. The camera was badly thought out- had terrible handling (somewaht improved with the firmware upgrade). A digicam of which Canon should be thoroughly ashamed. Nikon with its "1" series and Canon with its M- its as though they were someone who thinks they are "above the law". The law in this case being a reasonable consumer's wishes.
Well I use BOTH Canon & Nikon (I prefer my Canon's) and yes Canon with their EOS-M and Nikon with their Series 1 cameras have made mistakes and both have failed to sell in the projected numbers. But their both improving and will become big sellers over time. I think Sony are the biggest threat and their FF CSC cameras seem to have all the answers - well done Sony. I like the Panasonic GH range for their VIDEO performance and Olympus for their lovely Zukio glass. But none of these brands will win me over as I prefer the IMAGE created by Canon cameras….
Well as I predicted the poor old M2 is getting the same level of 'respect' that the M got. I love using my 2x EOS-M's with my all EF, EF-S, M and classic FD glass. That gives me 18 lenses….Such a joy to use my old FD glass all over again with simple cheap adapters. Its fun to use, in a strange way it takes me back to my very first camera which was a rangefinder - small compact but very high MADE IN JAPAN quality. Please guys if you have no plans to buy one nor even try one - shut up…..if Canon have made a mistake (and I don't think they have) then its their problem. If your a Canon owner and you don't fancy a Canon CSC - shop elsewhere rather than just moan. Panasonic make some great cameras….Myself I look forward to the higher spec version of the M - the M2 S or M3 (or whatever they will call it) stacked with 70D tech it mid 2014….
Peter Bendheim: The EOS-M in it's current form with the firmware upgrade is a surprisingly nice little camera to use. It's really small with the pancake lens, absolutely solid build that is all magnesium alloy, a tempered glass LCD and pretty good image quality. I like it's ergonomic simplicity, it's easy to use, the lenses are metal bodied, and the IQ is great. The pancake lens is razor sharp, for example. Really as good as anyone could wish for. It would be nice if it had a viewfinder that one could attach. It's also a refreshing design break from all the fake retro, fake leather, Leica look a-likes, and other gimmicks.Hate it as much as you like, folks, especially those of you that have never tried it, but it occupies a deserved place in my camera bag along with the bigger and flashier gear, and has produced images I am very happy with and that form part of my portfolio. I'm sure Canon will eventually produce a more pro model, but this camera isn't half as bad as most of you would like it to be.
I now have TWO EOS-M's and I love using them. My Canon DLSR's are gathering dust - theM's are that good….22mm f2 on order...
JamesVo: Lots and lots of moaning here. The EOS M2 does not look particularly exciting to me either. However, I think everyone is underestimating the effect of the ubiquitous cellphone camera on sales of compact and intermediate level cameras of all types.
The MIL cameras sit in an uncomfortably narrow niche between the lower end of the DSLR range and the upper end compacts that are really quite good.
I would really like to buy a compact MIL system for the many times when the size and weight of my pro level DSLR gear sees it being left at home. This means a MIL camera and 2 or 3 lenses.....but the prices are generally higher than entry level DSLR kit, the image quality is worse, or at best equivalent and functionality is somewhat reduced. Entry level DSLR kit actually serves me better. No wonder I haven't bought a MIL camera yet.
I LOVE my EOS-M and no one is more shocked than me ! In fact I now have TWO (I shoot two camera pro video set ups) as their cheap as chips and unless you really do expect the speed of a 7D they are simply brilliant. The all metal MADE IN JAPAN body with metal lens reminds me of my days using (real) Nikon's… not the plastic made in China stuff. Its brought the fun back to taking pics… strange - I hated the EOS-M based upon reviews 18 mths ago- its shown me to try for real rather than trial by review alone...22mm f2 on order!
Well, during the past 2 weeks I have purchased 2x ESO-M kits complete with FOC EOS lens adapters. These are already being used to shoot PRO videos - and frankly their brilliant - so much better than I had expected. The EOS -M2 - well its a move forward and I'm pleased that the new version hasn't trashed mine - I fully expect Canon to bring out a higher spec version based upon the 70D during 2014. Stand by for the M bashers to record their opinions of where Canon went wrong with their M2 and how its the end for Canon…such nonsense.
Well - don't shot me - but I thought the WHOLE idea of this lens was that it WOULD be SUPER SHARP wide open ...? If not then frankly was is the point? The 50 1.8 bog basic lens is pretty good and a TON of money less. Seems that Nikon have failed to do a ZEISS !
Next up - bring on the Canon 50 1.2 L MK2 (but please Canon give it some faster AF and whilst your at it IS ) and if you could ensure it sells for less than the new Nikon everyone (apart from Nikon users) will be very happy.
Timmbits: Isn't it ironic, that a senior Olympus exec, was quoted as saying that the Pen system was named as such, because it is as easy to use as a pen... yet the sport the world's worst user interface.
Oh god yes - my brother in law has switched from Nikon DX into a Pen 5 Lite system - PLEASE don't misunderstand me I really like the camera and have used Zukio glass on and off for over 30 years but the MENUS are a KILLER...and I just don't like the colours his camera produces - not natural too my eyes - too pink (no camera is perfect) Canon too red, Nikon too green but I could live with either happier than what his Pen turns out.. I haven't the heart to say anything too him - he seems very happy....
Just jumping sidewards (sorry) someone else posted that they were dropping their Nikon DX system as they now have an Olympus Pen (lovely cameras and Zukio glass) my brother in law has done much the same - I love this Pen 5 Lite BUT to my eyes the colours it produced are ALL WRONG - far too pink and not a nice pink. Is it just me that has seen this ? And no its NOTHING to do with colour balance etc as I've checked this carefully when he wasn't looking (my god Olympus LOVE their menus they go on forever) - still far too pink....Canon too warm / red (but I prefer it that way) Nikon too green / cold looking on their newest cameras. But Olympus too PINK.....sorry Pen users.
Just jumping sidewards (sorry) someone else posted that they were dropping their Nikon DX system as they now have an Olympus Pen (lovely cameras and Zukio glass) my brother in law has done much the same - I love this Pen 5 BUT to my eyes the colours it produced are ALL WRONG - far too pink and not a nice pink. Is it just me that has seen this ? And no its NOTHING to do with colour balance etc as I've checked this carefully when he wasn't looking - still far too pink....Canon too warm / red (but I prefer it that way) Nikon too green / cold looking on their newest cameras. But Olympus too PINK.....sorry Pen users.
The marketing for this new camera has been outstanding - Nikon should be proud of their UK or US based marketing team....I switched (mainly) into Canon some years ago but this is the 1st new Nikon that has ticked my boxes (and I don't even know its spec!) as regards marketing image - I want to be that man with a bag of primes and my Nikon DF in my hands. I look forward to the Canon reply - say what lets call it the DF 1....!!
Well love it or hate it ( and I could do both as I use BOTH Canon & Nikon) I see the 70D as the new class leader - even if in some areas Nikon or Sony etc can out weight it or deliver more - OVERALL the 70D is where the money will be going and Canon will still remain way ahead in total sales. Frankly Canon lost its way with the 50D/60D and the 7D was far from perfect (still a lovely camera anyone bored of their is free to pass it on too me) but the 70D is / will be the market leader...
Bring it on ! I still have my FM from 1979...and whilst your at it how about a FF rangefinder camera ? Oh sorry Sony already have one.....
Well I'm no fan of Sony still cameras (sorry) I still have two Sony 8mm camcorders etc but for some reason their stills stuff leaves me cold - until now. Well done to Sony - this if supported by decent glass (Zeiss - that'll do) it deserves to do well. Several years ago Sony stated that they had set out to replace Nikon as Number 2 brand within 3 -5 years and then overhaul Canon at Number 1. It hasn't quite worked out that way with Sony supporting Nikon (sensors etc) helping Nikon hold on to their Number 2 slot. If Sony ever walk away from Nikon boy are Nikon in trouble.....watch this space!
Anyone else starting to get confused by Fuji and all their new cameras....?
Well done to Nikon for adding yet another item for me to LUST after. Of course glass like this is meant only for 1: BRAG value. 2: The few photographers who will make full use of it (few - many others will buy but never unbox) this comes close on the heels of my other LUST LENS the new ZEISS. Actually it would make much more sense for me (as I'm primary a Canon user) for Canon to update their 50 1.4 with better glass and IS (YES PLEASE ! ) and it should sell for far far less than the new Nikkor or ZEISS. Of course if Canon really do want to follow with a BRAG lens what about a new improved 50 1.2 L with FASTER AF and IS ? Now that would turn a few heads my friends.....
Boerseuntjie: What was wrong with the D600 it was a well oiled machine ;)
Panasonicus: Fans of global Nikon expert, Ken "Kenneth" Rockwell, will have observed Ken's conversion this year to Canon. I was a faithful Nikon user since the late 60's and converted to Canon about 7 years ago after a few failures of non-made in Japan Nikon equipment. However, due to the need to downsize I am now quite happy over at Panasonic and a G3 owner. Nikon need to up their game and return manufacturing to Japan, get rid of the cheap gold paint on their lenses that symbolises bling and not quality.
I also made the move from Nikon ( I still own / use Nikon and still have an FM from 1979) across to Canon some years ago. I think that with massive tech help from Sony (sensors etc) Nikon have remained in the game and the specs of some of their new cameras are simply excellent. I love their D700 - but you make a very good point - Nikon need to sort out their QC in a hurry - I wouldn't ditch Canon now for any other brand and look forward to my next DSLR - the 70D. If Nikon stand for anything it should be QUALITY comes 1st and with any half decent camera or lens the words MADE IN JAPAN should be stamped on to the metal work (just like my beloved Nikon's of old).
Vesto: I was hesitant about picking up the d600 due to all the complaints being received about the sensor issues. Now I will definitely be making the purchase of the d610.
Interesting to see that d600 owners aren't happy there is a replacement for a defective camera they may have and upset that they won't get enough money for selling it. Due we buy cameras to takes pictures or to sell them in a year?
As a Nikon owner since 1979 (yes I am that old) I feel that Nikon have never come clean (no joke intended) over the problems with the D600 and have moved on leaving current D600 with a camera with a collection of known faults that will (as the D610 is so similar and is bound to cost less) have its resale value hit massively...Bring back the Nikon values of old and have decent cameras made in JAPAN
So so bored.....sorry Nikon & Canon ( I have BOTH so can dis BOTH too) this is simply a TINY improvement over the D600 and for most users makes no sense at all. Wake up Nikon - the game has moved on - its ALL about FULL TIME working AF with VIDEO - Cue the Canon 70D = the biggest step forward in DSLR cameras since the first FF Canon 5D. Most of the rest are just like the D610 a tiny step forward trying to gain as much cash from us photographers as possible.....
Calumet e-mailed me details of the new D610 - they said: 100% glass pentaprism viewfinder. I said 100 % free from muck ? We'll see.....