MarshallG: My first camera was a Fujica SLR, which I bought in 1978 for $120. Fuji has been a low-end camera maker for a very long time, and I think it's fantastic that they've busted out with cameras that beat the offerings of Canon/Nikon/Olympus/Sony/Leica. In this day and age, it's a very impressive feat of engineering and understanding the customer. I'd love to buy a cost-reduced Fuji that keeps enough of the enthusiast features for serious photography. This model might do, if they offer some kind of viewfinder option.
Fuji has decades of experience producing large format and medium format PRO lenses and a huge spectrum of medium format film cameras, and it was one of the biggest manufacturers of film.
Fujifilm GA645Z, Fuji GSW690 or FUJI GX680 III PROFESSIONAL to name a few.
With a D600 24x36 mm sensor in a mirrorless compact system camera at the current street price of around €1500 they would have the market in their pocket. Given a mirrorless camera without mechanical parts ist cheaper to produce than a DSLR, they would make more money with this camera compared to a D600.
Classic management mistake in order to protect a dying product line.
HiRez: Wow, that is one bigass 55mm lens. Why can't they make an autofocus version of their lenses though?
Zeiss tries a little bit too much to copy Leica's boutique marketing. They even copied the yellow orange focal lenth marks. "unboxing experience” :)
I do have a small Contax/Zeiss 50/1.4. Very, very good lens and cheap. (the latest version of it can be easily converted to Nikon mount BTW).
The Contax G Zeiss 45/2.0 range finder lens is even better and way smaller. Considered one of the best lenses ever build. There even is a Nex/Contax G autofocus adapter.
That all for a small fraction of the price of this new Cosina wonder. Someone will have to try hard to find a bad prime lens in this focal length :)
glacierpete: A Sigma DP3M with a 50/2.8 Macro lens is about € 600 after Sigma's cash back promo. The only thing the DPxM's lack is an EFV or OVF. Other than that the resolution, micro contrast and colors are great. But it is definitely not a high iso camera. :)
The shooting public would be working photographers using iso 25/50/64/100 film in 35mm/MF/LF in the past for decades without any problems. Adobe and others are currently working on supporting Foveon raws BTW.
It depends on who is driving :)
I wish this sensor would be in a Fuji x100s like camera body, with this kind of OVF/EVF combo or at least have an option for an external EVF.
xoio: Another Viewfinder-less wave it about in-front of your face like a phone wannabe!.No thanks.
At this price level the optional external EVF should come for free. I would rather go with a Fuji X100S.
A Sigma DP3M with a 50/2.8 Macro lens is about € 600 after Sigma's cash back promo. The only thing the DPxM's lack is an EFV or OVF. Other than that the resolution, micro contrast and colors are great. But it is definitely not a high iso camera. :)
JJ Rodin: For a given sensor resolution the Foveon is essentially beyond comparison in IQ, if the sometimes green cast is not present they are the best photos I have ever seen at 100% or less.
Saw a back-to-back of Sigma DP1 M vs 5DIII shot at same time and the sigma beat the 5dIII easily!
The shots are easily used up to 100% and still look fabulous, almost 3D, plus the fixed FL of DP1M was VERY sharp, better than the 'L' lens the lady used for the comparison.
Hi ISO is not great but then I don't use them! Sigma s/w is not great either, but.....
DP1/2/3M are pricey but then so are the RX1, etc large sensor fixed lens very compact cams.
Hope Canon can pull it off, lots of good benefits!
I have a DP2M and this badly flawed first implementation does produce incredible images, perfect for landscape, travel and architecure. A new sensor technology is long overdue, and I applaud Sigma(Foveon), Canon and Sony(patent) for their innovative work on multi-layered sensor design.
vin 13: Not exactly a guarantee is it?
Stu are you saying you have access to Adobes internal sales data ??????? You should disclose you are working for Adobe.
Henry M. Hertz: and if you want a great (thought a bit slow, but quality has it´s price) RAW converter:
it pulls details out of my RAW files no other RAW converter is able to.
I think the upgrade from NoiseNinja to PhotoNinja for $79 iso $129 is not a bad offer. NoiseNinja 3 is now included in PhotoNinja. I really love the detail this new converter pulls out of my raws. With 16GB RAM it is fast IMHO
There is no guarantee that the standalone version is not crippled down compared to the CC version.The should specify what LR5 will only get 'basic updates' means.
Reactive: Anyone downloaded GIMP? Give it a try. I bet it does 90% of the jobs that PhotoShop can do for you! Open Source software is usually updated far more often than Adobe's snail's pace, the developers actually LISTEN to your needs and bug reports, and it costs nothing! In other words, all of the things Adobe don't do, despite their obscene prices.
You can use PhotoNinja as photoshop plugin within gimp. It is a better raw developer than ACR. In case Gimp does not do what you need at the moment, try photoline. It does some things better than photoshop, like lab curves. And it is cheap (€59) compared to photoshop. After the trial is expired it continues to run forever with an nagscreen at startup.
Michael Devonport: Copyright question: My question, If you lose your membership with the new Adobe Cloud. Who owns your photos, Adobe or you?
What I am trying to get at, Facebook under their terms state that they own all photos that are being uploaded to their web site.
If you fail to continue your membership with Adobe Cloud in the form of payment. Does Adobe have a right to use your photos for advertising purposes with out your consent?
diglloyd went into the Adobe Creative Cloud legal agreement in his bloghttp://macperformanceguide.com/index.html
scroll down toAdobe Creative Cloud: Lopsided Legal Agreement
The German computer mags publishing house heise brought it to the point on their website:
Adobe gets rid of a lot of problems at once:They don't have to animate their customers buying a new product/update every 2 yearsthe regular automatic updates have to be just good enough not to loose existing subscribersthe number of existing creative suites combinations has been drastically reduced, saving Adobe a lot of money.And in addition they don't have to cope with the used software market and transfer of licences.
Massively lowering their costs without giving a price advantage to their customers sounds like printing money.I am afraid in case Adobe get through with it, this model will be copied by many other software makers.
kinglau711: You HAD raving fans Adobe, it was a competitive edge in today market.
This is all about marketing / customers needs; No one is irreplaceable.
For the first time in decades I am considering some alternatives.
For the first time I downloaded the demo version of Capture One Pro 7...
The output of CaptureOne Pro 7 ist still better than LR5beta. They just have to make it plugin compatible.Adobe is not in the unique position they believe they are.
he closest Phohotoshop clone I know off is photoline. www.pl32.comSome of it's functions like lab curves even surpass Photoshop.The company is run by 2 brothers. They do all the programming, development, maintenance, sales, marketing, help desk etc. Adobe has tens of thousands of employees. I think it is time for Adobe to streamline it's business processes and organization to become more productive, instead of letting your customers pay for, and adapt a business model, that is counter productive for their own productivity.
Adobe VP of Creative Solutions, Winston Hendrickson wrote."The reason behind the subscription-only move is the logistics of supporting two sets of software. The last 12 months of development was brutal. And there were results we were not happy with. We have decided to focus on the CC products."
glacierpete: Still missing the Sigma DP2M (and DP1M/DP3M) support. Adobe now supports even Fuji but no Foveon support.
to answer my own question.Today adobe staff replied in the adobe forum that adobe works on supporting the fovean sensor.http://forums.adobe.com/message/5239268#5239268
Still missing the Sigma DP2M (and DP1M/DP3M) support. Adobe now supports even Fuji but no Foveon support.
I dont see the Sigma DP2M. ???????Sigma claimed they provided the necessary technical data to adobe.
And the Nex 5n ???????
Interested to learn how it compares to the Sigma DP2 Merrill with Foveon X3 sensor. Ignoring that the Merill sensor is DX.This camera with a 24x36mm Foveon X3 sensor would be a classic.
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