tkbslc: 112mm long 35mm lens?
still waiting for full frame or even aps-c camera lenses which are short! Ok no 1.4 but make it a 2.0. My favorite lens now is the 40 mm 2.8 canon and the 35 2.0 canon IS. But Fuji, Sony please make some nice 28, 35 50 mm (equivalent) short lenses 2.0 is enough.
Advertising for small bodies and then have to add a 112 mm long 35 1.4 without hood
caravan: Bodies get smaller and more compact,lenses get bigger and cheaper in cost.Trade off ?
biggest advantage of 4/3, aps-c etc, sony A7 etc less weight of their bodies..and then make such big heavy a esthetically lenses (ok less weight maybe then full frame)...don't understand that...
I really hope they will come with a 30mm a 50 mm and a 85 2.0 mm pancake lens for dslr camera's....I already have the 40 2.8...and it's a great lens.
pwmoree: So 1000 euro equals 1390 usdollar. Why is this lens 39 percent more expensive here in Europe? The 390 $ difference almost buys you a plane ticket to the USA to go and get one and have a weekend in NY included..
the americans print their dollars like crazy...they have the highest debt in the world, growing every second...there is absolutely no economic rule that say print valueless money when you have great debts....but they do...and the europeans are paying their debts...thats american capitalism in combination of power
Zeisschen: Too large for a jeans pocket >> not qualified to compare with an RX100II.
Better compare it to a Panasonic GM1 with kit lens at that size.
it's true a sony rx100 will fit in a jeanspocket and even better in a pocket of a non jeans trouser....what is for sure is that this canon and all the m4/3 or aps-c camera's will not fit in a trouser pocket at all......i have a sony rx100 and i prefer to put it in a jacket or in my little leather "sacoche home" mans bag which i bought for 1,50 € at a vintage market in Noyers la Poterie, Normandy. But in cases when needed i can put the sony or a canon s120 in my trouser pockets. The problem with a lot of "small camera" is indeed they are smaller than a dslr but still much to big for calling is compact...
compay: in my opinion, this is the way a micro 4/3/aps camera's should look like, Small, silent, capable, light.
I have seen too many quite big micro 4/3 camera's with very loud shutters. People who own these camera's laugh at big full frame dslr's and instead they buy a less capable but still quite big micro 4/3 camera with those long ugly slow zoom lenses.
I have a canon 5d mark3 and with the 40 2.8 it's a great combo….i want a really small camera beside that…have the sony rx100 now…and quality is "great" and camera is small….but with the lens out it's still very visible….such a pity that there are no aps or 4/3 camera's with a fixed fast lens.
this panasonic gm-1 comes really close to what i want.
i am talking about my opinion..and i describe what i want besides a big dslr….in my opinion a 4/3 or aps camera should be really smallthat should be the advantage…and silent!
i have taken a look at many olympus camera's and i really do not like the shutter sounds of these camera's…far too loud…if those were silent you are right with a 20 1.7 a great combo
i am not so interested in the esthetics….and then i would prefer the looks of a fuji x20….and also then the 5dmark3 really looks solid and round..and holds nice in my hands…all this is written by my opinion…
in my opinion, this is the way a micro 4/3/aps camera's should look like, Small, silent, capable, light.
i have taken a look at many 4/3 camera's but do not understand why the majority has such a loud shutter sound...I do not know exactly about the epl 5 but I believe it also made a huge shutter sound. The shutter sound and the lack of autofocus really small lenses...alwaus made me decide to buy another camera.
if you have a dslr for your commercial work and want a more small camera for everyday use...you can buy a micro 43 camera...I have taken a look at a lot and
even the smallest is still not pocketableand woow what a lot of noise (i mean sound volume) makes those little camera's
so i thought hey i buy the 40 2.8 canon...let's try...it's small, lightweight...and 2.8 on a 5d mark3 with excellent low light capacities is not bad at all....
and yes this is a great great combination...you already feel much much more compact and more invisible for everyday use and street photography...quality is super...i hope canon will produce some other small lenses....i am pretty fed up with those big big lenses...even the sigma 35 1.4 is 10cm long and has a hood of 6 cm
Maverick_: It's incredible that it took Nikon several years to be able to produce a compact that can come close to Canon digicams. I am not a fan boy of either brand, but for a long time Nikon's focus had been their lucrative DSLRs with little attention to making their compacts world class. Glad with this new camera that they have something to brag about.
But too little too late. This particular market is dead, if not already, it will be in a year or two. With mobile phones, micro43 and larger sensor compacts from all brands, including Nikon and Canon, this expensive tiny sensor segment is a goner.
if you want a real "compact" camera only those tiny sensor camera's (and sony rx100) fulfill your needs....try to put a m43 camera in your jacket....a G15 is really compact because the lens doesn't stick out...also those camera's are almost with no shutter sound.....try to find an m43 without sound
xiod_crlx: Good comparison!
Still, the outcome is a bit strange
P7700 MAKES BETTER PICTURES , but because G15 is faster and has better body design - it receives gold ??? Does it matter that raw file is written 3 seconds quicker but has blurry image?
Still, I would say that cameras are really equal and the choice is a question of religion, strongest point of P7700 is 28-200mm lens which is more versatile and ViewNX software that is really to use and to get nice results. If there is necessity to have viewfinder - there is only way to go to G15. As simple as that.
in the summary you can read about image quality that
the nikon wins by a hair......
when i see the photo's and examples by the dynamic range.....i think the canon G!5 does a much much better job......
I read many times you cannot compare dslr with point and shoot......not so long ago i had a canon F1n camera and an olympus mju point and shoot..... Both filmcamera's with 36*24 mm negatives. And besides all kind of ergonomic and adjustments issues....you sure could compare those camera's....Where is the development ?????
zenpaul: I like the the X20 too. I'm giving it a good workout as I have another week before/if I decide to return it.
Generally an excellent camera tho a bit of a learning curve for an old bugger like me.
Stills are great especially jpegs ROTC. Raw looks good too and I'm messing with LR4 to work with them.
I think its shortcomings have been well mentioned here and elsewhere but it has so many positives.
The 1080 video will not play back smoothly on my iMac (too old?) but is OK in camera. 720 is smooth so I'll stick with that. If I wanna do "serious" video I'll use my Sony camcorder.
Battery life is a disaster so I'm going to pick up extras cheap @ Amazon and an LCD protector too.
Whether I keep it or not I'm having fun with it and getting some lovely pix. Why not enjoy it for what it is?
hello zenpaul...i also had problems with movies on my i-mac (2012). Found out that you have to import the movies via archive and then import and then movies. Then you will have a mooth video. Also take a look at import settings via preferences - video.
a typical american family..living in freedom and democracy...and telling the world that a free society and democracy is all you need....to be.....really human...
congratulations Paul Hanson. You have made a true photograph in a very dangerous area for a photographer/journalist. Israel don't like photographers at the prison they have made called Gaza. Really a lot of respect for you. Civilians are killed ...by bombs in a city environment is an act against the geneve convention. The world should know, the world should act but no we do nothing...even people write stupid heartless comments.....
this photograph didnot reach the mass media...it is only pupblished in a swedish newspaper...it deserved much much more attention......so also respect for the jury to have the courage to give the price to this photo.
all we need is peace in Israel and Palestina. Two states that will live next to each other. The ivilians of Israel and Palestina deserves that....stop the brainwashing by mass media...show the reality...and then justice can happen
compay: I had a D700, which served me really well the last 4 years....i sold it for a good price...than wanted the d600 (not the d800 because of those too big files). Heard the stories about oil spots...and decided to go to my old roots Canon (still own my F1n and the FD L lenses) again. So sold the absolute great but absurdley long 24-70 2.8 ed as well. And bought the 5d mark 3. Woow finally those Canon colors again. I am really really satisfied with the 5d mark 3...which feels like a sensitive rock. And when i see those examples of the D6, i think this will be a great camera also. The D700 did a realy great job but i was not always happy with the colors especially skin tones. I believe photographs you have to judge from some distance. I do not like or want to take part on the nikon canon rivalry...but when i have to say something in general....nikon is for the scientist who wants to hear from (nikon or nikon men or DxO) that it is the best camera...
woow russbarnes....you really do have intelligent answers........for a person like you....
you are a really interesting person....for persons like you
I guess Dpreview has to change the GOLD award into......euhhh....Wit all the complaints about dust already before the review....they shouldn't have given a gold award at all. All these pixel peeping tests etcetera and then give a gold award while knowing the problem of dust/oil spots.
it's like america having the triple A staus and the greatest debt off all countries.....??????
i guess it's a power...money thing!
I had a D700, which served me really well the last 4 years....i sold it for a good price...than wanted the d600 (not the d800 because of those too big files). Heard the stories about oil spots...and decided to go to my old roots Canon (still own my F1n and the FD L lenses) again. So sold the absolute great but absurdley long 24-70 2.8 ed as well. And bought the 5d mark 3. Woow finally those Canon colors again. I am really really satisfied with the 5d mark 3...which feels like a sensitive rock. And when i see those examples of the D6, i think this will be a great camera also. The D700 did a realy great job but i was not always happy with the colors especially skin tones. I believe photographs you have to judge from some distance. I do not like or want to take part on the nikon canon rivalry...but when i have to say something in general....nikon is for the scientist who wants to hear from (nikon or nikon men or DxO) that it is the best camera...