bdbender4: I have read through much of this thread, and there is a lot of discussion of EOS-M as a system.
IMHO all photo systems are in the middle of another phase of evolution that is getting no attention in this thread. As processors are becoming more powerful, competitive cameras of any size or kind need to have GPS, wi-fi, direct access to the huge fast clouds that are coming, in-camera RAW conversion, and JPEGs that are good enough so you don't have to bother with RAW most of the time anyway. The era of post-processing RAW files in a large, separate computer using clunky software will be seen in retrospect as the clumsy, time consuming mess that it now is. Phones ate compact cameras because of these considerations, not because of viewfinders or lens systems. Thom Hogan beats this drum, and hats off to him for it.
When Sports Illustrated laid off its pro photographers it had to do with evolving business models, not whether the lenses they were using were white or black.
And may I ask if Sports Illustrated doesn't issue photographs anymore or do they hire people with phone cameras? Perhaps they use candid shots of women in bikini downloaded from one of the clouds. Even the comissioned photographer needs combination of cameras and lenses. Somehow I think that phonecameras and their limited applictions will kill DSLR/ILC prediction by selfabsorbed technology junkies is a wishful thinking. They should give themselves a break from their self rightious geeky world and look at what is happening around them.
I'm not a specialist, nobody is specialist, I'm not even a photographer but this camera is a specialist one. It doesn't even have touch-sensitive oled screens. Therefore a bad camera. I hate Canon because they don't recognize me as center of the universe.
Howard: I bet Sony and Nikon breathed a sigh of relief.
Same DR as the 5DIII, seriously? So it's an "improvement" in quantity not quality of pixels.
I will take a more serious look at Sony's next offering.
@Howard... Rejecting Canon's professional offerings are we to assume that you are a pro? I wish you good luck with your zillion pixel, zillon DR Sony camera until you've found decent pro lenses for it. Somehow I don't think you are a pro though.
Canon will not deliver DR for you. But will deliver pixels for whom want and need them. Comparing DR performance some Canon cameras are slightly behind the competition but with advantages in other areas. Since no manufacturer has the perfect overall system in their possession it will be down to personal needs and preferences. The universe doesn't evolve around one persons needs.
sneakyracer: It's all gonna come down to Dynamic Range. Will these new Canons deliver? That is the main concern. Canon has not being able to deliver in that department yet.
Canon will not deliver DR for you. But will deliver pixels for whom want and need them. Comparing DR performance some Canon cameras are slightly behind the competition but with advantages in other areas. Since no manufacturer has the perfect overall system in their possession it will be down to personal needs and preferences. The universe doesn't evolve around our individual needs.
itsmeavi: Canon thinks if Nikon can do it we can do it bigger and better. In my personal opinion its more like american muscle cars with really BIG gas gulping engines which sounds good and owner feels pride to own however not fast/efficient like fine tuned purpose built sports cars.
It feels like big two want to make good profits not good cameras while sony/olympus want to capture market share so they are working harder to make better cameras.
I am bit disappointed with this announcement and will definitely eagerly wait for 5dm4. Hopefully that will be properly thought out product.
Isn't Dpreview for fanboys to show off their latest mirrorless, 30million pixel gear only for looking at them on computer screens? Meanwhile a lot of pixels make sense only if you are using them. As an enthusiast who takes photos for being creative, I would happily live with a 10-12mpix sensor which gives much better DR, resolution, file size combination. If I needed reasonably large size prints I would still get it with 12mpix. Horses for courses.
The Oscar goes to the person who will ditch his/her 5DmkIII for Canon not putting an evf on 5Ds. I've got so much money that I amuse myself buying equipment according to what Dpreview fanboys write here and I am not even a photographer.
oselimg: And why this camera wasn't mirrorless one? Mirrorless is the way ahead. There would be no need for videos like this if all cameras were mirrorless. There are many cameras with wi-fi and selfie functions. Why don't they film those?
You seem to be the leader in this field
It's kind of sad to see my comment has achieved it's purpose of exposing disturbed souls. I didn't expect to see as many as 18 of them. People who are almost fanatical about the gear and without sense of irony,humour involved in photography? Nah! I don't think so.
And why this camera wasn't mirrorless one? Mirrorless is the way ahead. There would be no need for videos like this if all cameras were mirrorless. There are many cameras with wi-fi and selfie functions. Why don't they film those?
Another pep talk from Dpreview sponsors :-)))
(unknown member): Get used with it. My brand new 50K EUR car "lost" its DSG (hi tech automatic gearbox) after just...409 Km!!! The representative office service was unable to determine the issue, so they asked the factory, and the factory sent a new DSG in a box. I was informed afterwards that an entire batch of those DSGs had various issues, and that many cars were "recalled". One important point: this DSG stuff can be considered mature tech by now. But, if you have technology, you will always have issues. Minor or major.
@Zerg2905...The brand you (don't) mention is one of the most overrated brands. It's almost as if the entire motoring media is in conspiracy to pamper few brands. Don't buy anything less than 5 series from that brand. One can be forgiven for having a "soft spot" for a certain camera brand. But with cars we depend on them to safely takes us from A-B. Yet, time after time media favoured brands fail to satisfy their owners. There are many manufactured myths about car makers both to their unfair advantage or to disadvantage some.
oselimg: As long as there are Brand/Gear slaves and cynical endorsing by websites some manufacturers won't give a penny for quality checks. Instead they will bring out anything to get their current financial shortcomings subsidized by the consumer then will pay it back interest free. That's called free market ethics.
@Daniel...I admire your analogy and logic. If you want to save even more money spend 1K on a more troublesome brand new model, incouraging manufacturers to design ever cheaper models etc. The benefits are huge. Apart from that, lately, it seems design/QC issues have been bothering Nikon more than their major competitors.
DPR is part of a commerce giant. It used to be fairly impartial a source of information for photographic gear.
One more issue for you. If you were aware of the DSG issues would you have paid 50K Euro for a car. Next one: If we didn't have cynical brand endorsing/favouritism by the "reviews" in the "Free media" some brands wouldn't have been able to enjoy the current "success".
As long as there are Brand/Gear slaves and cynical endorsing by websites some manufacturers won't give a penny for quality checks. Instead they will bring out anything to get their current financial shortcomings subsidized by the consumer then will pay it back interest free. That's called free market ethics.
Debankur Mukherjee: These design flaws have become a standard for Nikon Cameras, but at least it is nice of them that they are addressing the issue quiet fast........and not denying like they did with the P7000 and D600 bodies........
mpgxsvcd: The point of this lens is that it is supposed to be a high quality lens without a high quality price. There is no way of knowing if it really is a high quality lens yet. However, its price does look attractive. For movie shooters manual control is all they need.
Was the Canon best one until this one has become available?
oselimg: Dpreview should have learned their lesson by now not to endorse Nikon or any other brand. it's not good for the competition and of course really bothersome for the consumers who buy a product costing near 2K only to find out that the manufacturer didn't bother checking the quality.
I admire your analogy and logic.
@Rishi Sanyal... I never expected Dpreview openly accepting favouritism=endorsment did I? But I can read the small print, subtext etc. Ah one springs to mind "Unwrapping" campaign which was almost sexy. Does any of you guys in the office keep the wrapping papers?