Maybe they should make a traditional 1" sensor'd camera. Such a camera with a 30-250mm f/2 lens might be a good seller for a touch over $1k. But something tells me that a 30-250mm f/2 lens capable of excellent performance wide open with a 16MP+ sensor is going to wind up being larger than what sits on the Illum.
this isn't fooling anyone...
AngryCorgi: "This, you can't help but feel, is the kind of camera that Apple might make, if it were so inclined."
Except that Apple wouldn't allow it to be all form and very little function. The GUI would be intelligent/intuitive and it would operate briskly. People would complain because the Apple version would have proprietary ports that needed special cables, but it wouldn't be a functional flop like this thing is.
Yes they did, but I believe the author of the article was referring to Apple in it's current state, following it's current design ethos.
"This, you can't help but feel, is the kind of camera that Apple might make, if it were so inclined."
Tonio Loewald: If nothing else, Leica has schooled all the other camera companies on how to do a modern camera with good controls (aside from setting AF points, but then Apple and numerous camera app makes have nailed that). So at least we might see some others imitate them.
Well, I for one hope nobody else thinks a 3-second startup time, laggy image review, nonsensical AF point selection behavior, and astronomical price points are traits worth imitating.
Wow. You shouldn't ever shoot JPG with the V3. Worst JPG engine I've seen in quite a while. Very Sony-P&S-esque!!
AngryCorgi: I don't hate this camera. I think it "looks" sexy with the grip on it. But the price remains stupid given its performance. It simply is outclassed in terms of IQ by just about everything.
You are free to disagree. I only have my eyes to show me and they show greater chroma noise. I'd state that this is reinforced by DXOMark testing, but you are probably one of those "DXOMark takes money from [insert name] to skew results" type people. Unfortunately, the chroma noise the J3 (and all aptina 1" sensors) shows is that ugly yellow staining. It's a low-frequency noise that requires desaturation of other yellow colors in the photo elsewhere to correct. Similar things occur with it's competitors, but they do so only at higher sensitivity settings.
Raw or JPG, both show an advantage to the RX100 and FZ1000. It's blatently clear. The chroma noise on the raw images show a significant advantage to the sony and panasonic. The only difference elsewise is the obvious fact that the Nikon has no AA filter, whilst the other two do. To clean up that chroma noise (as the JPG engine does) causes a dulling of colors and softening of the image. You can compare raw, which makes sense, but you have to think about how your process is going to differ and affect the final IQ.
Set the comparison tool to ISO1600 with the J3, FZ1000, G16, and RX100-III. Set the quality to "Print" and walk around the image. The G16 is closer to the J3 than the J3 is to either of the competing 1" sensors. This is just SNR. The color accuracy and dynamit range are also poorer than its competitors.
The other 1" sensor'd cameras (RX10, RX100, FZ1000) outperform the 1" sensor used in the V3 by a healthy margin. There are compact P&S cameras that are on par with the V3 in terms of IQ (S120, G16, P340, etc). With the kind of deficit the V3 has in terms of IQ, the pricing should be more competitive. As it is, the pricing isn't remotely competitive. It's $500 more than a RX100 mk3, $300 more than an FZ1000, $200 more than an RX10 and many, many times more expensive than the P&S cameras with which it shares many IQ qualities. All that for a little faster AF and poorer IQ? That's absurd.
I don't hate this camera. I think it "looks" sexy with the grip on it. But the price remains stupid given its performance. It simply is outclassed in terms of IQ by just about everything.
AngryCorgi: Leica seems to have stumbled toward the path labeled "Hassleblad".
The lenses in the M system are not cheap compromises with large price tags; they are competent-to-phenomenol performers with large price tags. Hence the term "all hat and no cattle".
It's not simply a matter of rebadging, but of selling the badge with no substance behind it. Something you cant say about the M-system; this camera is all hat and no cattle.
Leica seems to have stumbled toward the path labeled "Hassleblad".
Love the last one. These are great.
I really, really appreciate that DPR put this little hands-on review together. I know it's not a mass-market product, but I really like to see these kinds of articles that shed some light on the less well-known aspects of the photography universe.
AngryCorgi: I predict a whole lot of trying, but not a lot of buying in this offer. Still, it's a cool idea by Sigma.
You make a very good point. Sigma cams are very difficult to happen upon at US retailers.
I predict a whole lot of trying, but not a lot of buying in this offer. Still, it's a cool idea by Sigma.
mosc: The RX10 cropped at 1.43x is f2.8 with a smaller sensor and matches the panasonic's speed. That equates to a zoom range of 286mm. The panasonic is only "better" in terms of light gathering from 300-400mm than the RX10. It's not much of an advantage and only when you're really far away.
These graphs need to include digital zoom equivalent apertures. Especially with 1" to APSC sized sensors, there's lots of room to crop.
But an RX10 cropped to 1.43x is only delivering a 10MP image. How is that supposed to compare with the Panny at 20MP and 300/f4 or 400/f4?? No, these graphs are fine like they are. If anything they need to account for resolution variance, but that is not at issue in this comparison of like-resolution cameras.