naththo: Just Posted: Read my lips: Who use the most mirrorless camera available today to date: Panasonic and Olympus 4/3. Who has the most available lens for the mirrorless: Olympus 4/3. Who has built in IS in mirrorless camera: Olympus 4/3. Nex did not meet all specific requirement in competition to beat others and failed. Nex con is: No built in IS, less lens available, to get more lens available separated adapter must be purchased first and to have IS available lens must be purchased that has built in IS. That will make Nex hobby more expensive than Olympus overall for example. Olympus is still the most affordable mirrorless camera to date. Do you get the picture? Everyone can have entitle to have opinion on brand but remember these above are the reason why. Sony starts mirrorless a lot later than Panasonic and Olympus first made it way back then. And finally now Canon is first time make one mirrorless camera this time but only first time ever. While Pentax started a lot later too.
What camera is small enough to put in your pocket (with 16mm pancake or 16-50 pancake) so that you can and will take it everywhere, yet, yet it has a bigger better sensor for low light situations? Not the EM-5 thats for sure.
And more lenses? Besides the now many new great lens just released and still more from Zeiss I can us cannon, Nikon or sorts of legacy glass and with focuss peaking manual AF is more fun than on the EM-5.And how wide can you go? Hows that F-stop limit working for you? Sure I know, "what limit?"IBIS? Wow I know its good but can it keep the kids from moving? Does it frezze Football. Baseball Basketball players? Birds? Anything else? Your hands are shaking that much? Thats a lot of money for camera but hey its your dime and I am sure it takes great pictures for you to stare at on Flicker on your Ipad.
Just Posted: @ Everdog
"According to "Just Posted", only P&S cameras and smartphones can be "Camera of the Year" because they sell the best"
Sorry you must really be confused with yourself about the OMD winning the popularitiy poll (a poll on a largerly 43rds based fwebsite) which has been pointed out has no merit when compared to when people vote with there Wallets. According to your theory that Popular means best and so the point if that is tru then Vote in sales (the best criteria) means the NEX is better, it was your measure, not anyone elses.
And then we have little Everdog ("coroander") spouting off about how "flicker" stats prove the EM-5 is the best which is a strange point as like you said then P&S and Iphone wins and as someone pointed out the fact is on Flicker there are 10x more photos uploaded by NEX cameras everyday than EM-5s so no win there for the 34rds trolls. I dont know why you seem so dissatsfied with your cameras, is it sensor size for such a large camera?
I think everyone knows how good the EM-5 is, its just that you and a few other 43rds troll fanboys seem very limited in your knowledge about other caeras.But its understandable that if this is the first time you have had a camera with an interchangable lens, it must be overwhelmingly exciting for you. Suggest you go out and take pictures with it and post them on "Flicker".
EM-5 IS a Great camera, but its mainly you zealots trying to make it more than it is and continue to create controversy by posting so much pure nonsense. Just read thru all the hype...
"" However, if you look at Flickr stats, you'll see the OM-D is being used more than the NEX7, or, in fact, any other Sony camera."
I would think Getty is a better source to compare - Photographers, - users, but I dont think the Em5 even meets the requirments (?) or just hardly no one uses it proffesionaly to take pictures that are sold there because I couldn't find it on the list to compare.
In fact on Flicker there are more than twice the number of Nex camera users, or can only compare the Nex7? Better go add them up.
Do you want to even compare just APS-C from Sony to all 43 sensors on flicker? LOL!
Total use? iIs >Canon, NIkon, Apple , Sony then Panosonic with Oly coming after that. And you can extrapulate the detail yourself.
Everdog: Most Micro Four Thirds users are former Canikon, Sony or Pentax DSLR owners.If you watch the M43 forum everyday there is another post from someone making the switch from the larger DSLRs.This really seems to bother the old school guys and we see it here. They get really upset when DPR and LensRentals post test results that prove, " Phase-detection autofocus (even using still targets and center-point only) wasn’t nearly as accurate as contrast detection."
Husaberg Grok: Calling people who defend a system they love a "fanboy" is getting pretty old.
Insulting people and the systems they like is just weird and immature.
Over the 50+ years that I've enjoyed photography I've enjoyed many fine formats and brands and I've never felt it neccessary to put down or denigrate another enthusiust or their gear. Neither have I been put down in the real world.
Just think about it.
How do you know he is well bred? I don't realy want to know, but who the pancake lens are you to talk down to anyone?
Do you know all the post and attacks Grok has made?
coroander: Certainly on this site the Olympus OM-D E-M5 shows its popularity. Look at the right panel on this page and under "Top cameras". The OM-D appears second under "Galleries", and 6th under "Challenges". There's no camera released in 2012 that appears higher in either of these two "Top cameras" lists.
Coming from a 43 forum fanboy, Pal should take that as a complement, I would.
Oh sorry, I meant zealot
"There are no reliable sources for global sales figures of cameras. However, if you look at Flickr stats, you'll see the OM-D is being used more than the NEX7, or, in fact, any other Sony camera. On Flickr, the OM-D is being used more than any other mirrorless interchangable-lens camera from any manufacturer. And it's only been available for 8 months."
Flicker? Wow, 43 and P&S pics among iphones and..nice try, Try Getty where real pictures are actually baught and sold and see how many turn up, do let us know.
Sales? You can't find reliable sources? AMazon is the worlds largest online seller of cameras and enough has been posted to show it sure an't no Em-5.
soaked-in-color: I have simple curiosity. Please pardon my ignorance. If we trust DPREVIEW (lets keep the user poll, brand loyalty, fan club etc. aside for a moment) then I wonder whether we have faith in their review method.
Dynamic range:Isn't the wider range in the Gray Bar says better DR? I chose Pentax K-5, Nikon D800 and Canon 5D Mark-III for comparison. I chose OM-D for Gradation Auto, K-5 Highlight DR On, D800 ADL auto and 5D HTP on.
Which one is better? Sorry I am not so familiar with this tool. Just curious to compare these products following the DPREVIEW lab test after seeing this interesting forum.
Also I compared the RAW image resolution with these three cameras on the test page:
I could not see any significant difference till ISO 1600. As a matter of fact OM-D looks better to me in some cases. Are these cameras technically so close to each other that not worth fighting with each other?
If it was a blind test, how could they tell?
Take the blinders off, its easy to tell.
chillgreg: Bump: Why wasn't the FZ200 at least on the list? A 600mm f2.8 Leica (designed) lens for five hundred bucks is not worthy?
I don't think it would have won, but can't fathom why it wasn't included
Eye eye 2eyesee, or here here if you rather.
Canadian Eagle: Eight months with the OM-D and I still revel in the ease of use, the terrific 5-way stabilization – and the great low-light rendition. Eleven days of shooting all over Cuba gave me, and the OM-D, a workout. It's not a big luggable beast –- not that size really matters – only to sore shoulders. It was just fun to shoot with such a sturdy, but light weight machine. The viewfinder is so very sharp. I've even put some old half-frame Pen-F lenses on it and used it in aperture mode. God, I hope this doesn't sound like a commercial. It's not. It IS a fan letter to the folks at Olympus who have put together a GEM of a camera! Bravo for a deserving win!!!http://www.flickr.com/photos/89996031@N04/8179999315/in/photostream/
Whats so great about 5-axis IS? I mean it might keep the camera still but it won't stop the object you are shooting from moving will it?
For other camera systems that use 3-axis IBIS or OIS are the pictures that bad or different? how many stops faster is 5 axis compared to 3? Some of us have had to learn to shoot with out IS at all but I am glad for it, but I just dont see 5 axis as something to be all excited about, dont see it in the pictures even though I am sure it is there. Help me out
More info please?
For those that want to know the truth of what was taking place behind the scenes at other sites as well as here, you might be interested that this was going on before the poll closed in most of the popular four thirds forums you can just google "camera of the year 2012" and threads like this will pop up -99.9% of them all fourthirds to push the EM-5 ahead of the Nikon:
This is just one example, if you go back some pages or forward or to the other sites there is much more.
Very intertaining, this "camera of the year" cough * *
Unless someone can show otherwise the Nikon is probably more of the legit winner.No need to attack me, I'm just the measenger. Peace!
illy: I own none of the cameras on the list, this gives me a partiality that the users of aforementioned cameras do not have, therefore my vote is more valid than theirs. Those users shouting the loudest that they own any of the cameras should have had their vote discounted immediately.........especially those who sound like a review or they are trying to sell you the damn thing.And what this whole poll has shown is, the things you own end up owning you, think on that when you're boring some local when you're out and about, shouting on the merits of 5 axis IBIS or near MF quality, they don't care.
Thanks for the laugh, I think everyone here could use some of that.
Are you ok?
iae aa eia: it's a pity the sony rx1 not be one of the three here. it just pulled the trigger for the race for compact full frame cameras, something long time wondered to when it would be happening. it's like it finally makes the digital age to catch up with the film, since back then full frame compacts were not something out of this world, but the opposite. sony made it with the rx1, and in a very competent way. the olympus om-d can't even come close to it. it's attempt to live up the 'om' status failed for me. if you pay close attention, the film om's are far more beautiful, elegant and well balanced (in terms of design) cameras. the om-d, despite its unquestionable quality, does not deserve the first place.
I think the best camera for users is the one that the users seem to be buying and its not any of the olympus brand, except only in Japan.
I dont think its such a great camera for the money, but that just me.
Seems funny that so many here have some strange attachment to seeing their hardware achieve some award that has no real merit.