Markol: I just saw this costs 500$ more than the current E-M5.That's crazy.As crazy as the 10 months it took Olympus to "fix" the shutter shock of the E-P5. Without the fix, around 30% of my pictures were unsharp.Olympus has so much going for it (OIS, jpegs) but they also make some huge mistakes.
What's crazy is expecting companies to price their newly R&D'd products relative to the end-of-life prices of their older models.
And the shutter shock was fixed, in the end. You can hardly argue a pattern of "huge mistakes" from one sore point.
ptox: The assertion by some here that even passive depictions of LGBTQ orientations are part of some devious agenda or propaganda is breathakingly disingenuous.
A minority, persecuted everywhere throughout history and still today in far too many societies, represented in this case in a gentle example of a medium whose participation by the viewer is about as optional as it gets - harming nobody, making the least aggressive statement possible - "we exist, here we are" - and yet here subject to scorn, ridicule, base degredation and outright hatred from members of the relatively safe, powerful, enfranchised majority.
How pathetically false are these cries of fear; nothing more noble than veiled hatred of The Other - other humans, trying like each of us to carve out a bit of peace and happiness in in lives that often (and for the subjects of this photo, in that country, far too often) seem to be nothing but anything else.
DaveClark: "Rights" are not just about legal rights -- they include the right not to be discriminated against, which judging by your point about businesses etc is not a settled matter. And then there's the right to marry, of course, which is not yet universal.
Nudism is a behavior. Homosexuality is a genetic imperative. You can disagree -- but most homosexuals wouldn't, which is the only important point.
DaveClark: Nor should there be anything neutral or passive about the promotion of rights for humans of all kinds and creeds; the doctrines of faiths are subordinate to that ethical imperative.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not an aggressive anti-homosexual; even so, your refusal to "accept" a whole class of people gives license to those extremes.
And for what cause? -- only a base, vulgar distaste for a mode of existence that has no bearing on your own life.
The assertion by some here that even passive depictions of LGBTQ orientations are part of some devious agenda or propaganda is breathakingly disingenuous.
Jasko014: If it would be not written, that this is gay couple, I would not recognise it. Left person has a physiology of woman.
I think that says more about you than it does about the people in the photo.
@prossi: I wish I was, but sadly, no. :-)
Re your analogy - well, yes, in terms of IQ MFT cameras lag a bit behind the best APSC, but it's no Clio to APSC's Ferrari - more like a 455 to a 458 :-P
ptox: And as for all the stuck-in-the-past claims of MFT's inferiority to modern APSC cameras -- yes, yes, DXO gives the sensors a score of 7 or 8 below the latest from Nikon, and yes, there's more shadow noise than the very best from Fuji .. but what does that mean in terms of appreciation for the final product, especially when it's from the hands and eyes of a skilled photographer?
Very little at all.
Just consider that MFT today is superior in virtually every IQ respect (and certainly in operational speed and features) to every 35mm pro DSLR from around the time of the 5D Mark 1 and earlier -- ages ago in technological terms, granted, but how many professional photos were taken with that equipment, published across the globe, and enjoyed by millions of viewers?
MFT surpasses the output of those cameras, yet somehow still hasn't reached the special bar required by the more critical in this community?
67gtonr: I have been using my EOS M for over 1 1/2 years without issue, I have been following any posts about the system online and in the EOS M Forum here and have not once come across a post about needing to have an M repaired for something under warranty, no overheating when taking video, no banding, no oil or dust on the sensor, no shutter slap issues, etc. I am confident that this iteration will also have the high quality build of its predecessors.
I can see the tagline now -- "Canon EOS M: Bad cameras, well made."
Lassoni: re high ISO - in absolute terms the best MFT is not as good as the best APSC, but the difference is not all that great:
If you were happy with your D7000 at ISO 6400, you probably would have been happy with MFT - and it's much better than "somewhat good" at ISO 2000.
Sigh. Does this really need explaining?
Smartphones have resolution, yes, but their DR at other than base ISO is not competitive, their (fixed) lenses are not competitive, their high ISO capabilities are not competitive, and then there's the whole "not primarily a camera" thing - they don't have the same breadth of photographic features, performance, ergonomics, or convenience as any camera.
Smartphones take pictures, yes, but as dedicated cameras they're far below most P&S models (except IQ), let alone MFT/APSC (except nothing). So to say there's some sort of "slope" for my argument to "slide down" from MFT to smartphones - to imply that I may as well be saying that people would be just as well-off with a smartphone as a proper camera - is, well, nonsense.
ptox: Hilariously predictable responses to the high res mode.
Instead of taking it as a cool new feature on top of an already excellent camera, commenters are judging Olympus as though it's trying to market this as a 40MP body--we'd probably see fewer criticisms of the MkII if they'd just excluded the feature altogether.
Nevermind that a 40MP full-color-fidelity mode makes this a monster for most product photography, quite a lot of architecture work, and certain landscapes--and that the camera is a pretty worthy upgrade over the original to boot; no, Olympus is just selling us "gimmicks"...
For a bunch of photographers, there's a distinct lack of imagination here.
nerd2: If you're seriously comparing this mode to simple image interpolation, you're even less informed than I thought.
nerd2: Altering my claim by replacing MFT with a different example that does not fulfill the same criteria only demonstrates that you have very little grasp of logic at all. And you call yourself a nerd?
How is 40MP lower than 36MP?
Anyway, you're missing the point. Again. It's almost as if you're reading what you're expecting me to say, rather than what I'm writing...
FujiLiver: At pixel level detail, in certain scenarios, yes. Printed or otherwise shown at viewing resolution? Barely any difference at all. Anyway, my point is about the absolute quality of MFT images - it's better than all but the most recent consumer equipment, and all but the more specialized (<= 35mm) pro equipment of slightly older vintage; i.e. more than good enough for most uses and users.
nerd2: reductio ad absurdum? Is that all you've got?
fmj1974: impressive upgrades ,yes....but for the price of 2 new omd em5?...NO!!
Yeah, I've never understood why manufacturers don't price their brand new products at just above the end-of-life pricing of their existing stock. It's almost as if they need to make money or something...
The point is that not everyone who _wants_ to do this work has or wants to buy a Hasselblad. (And full color fidelity is an improvement over the D800, so...)
Does this feature mean the EM5II is _equal_ to either of those cameras? No, of course not; but at the very least it adds a significant new creative option for people who are already invested in or thinking about MFT... moreso than any number of new art filters or film simulation modes.
Criticizing Olympus for implementing it is silly.
And as for all the stuck-in-the-past claims of MFT's inferiority to modern APSC cameras -- yes, yes, DXO gives the sensors a score of 7 or 8 below the latest from Nikon, and yes, there's more shadow noise than the very best from Fuji .. but what does that mean in terms of appreciation for the final product, especially when it's from the hands and eyes of a skilled photographer?
Hilariously predictable responses to the high res mode.
obsolescence: Marvelous, but who will be left on this ravaged planet to see the pretty pictures, once we have destroyed its habitability? Is this an appropriate use of technology in the face of our planetary emergency? I must conclude that humans are extremely myopic.
I don't disagree with your sentiment, but your implied conclusion - that we should not pursue sophisticated and expensive scientific endeavor until we've secured the ecological future of our planet - may not produce the change you're hoping for.
"whilst in pursuit of good local beer and Goonies filming locations"
On the road leading to the cave used for the pirate ship shoot is the most exquisitely handcrafted artisanally-carved canteen/shoppe/gnome-abode in which the seventeenth-generation proprietors vend a delicately scented pomade expunged in a thirty-day process from antique goat-lard.
The goat-lard pomade is best experienced worn while sipping their equally rare and unique possum-skin-hair-tip iced clementine old-tyme beverage, which they serve in goblets forged from the reclaimed tin of 1957 Coca-Cola cans - itself a sentimental homage to the American soft drink zeitgeist.
This being Oregon, there is always a lineup.