dansclic: Sony should ask Fuji how to build good lenses.....
The comment was that Fuji doesn't make lenses for FF digital cameras, notably at the consumer or prosumer level. Ergo, no, Sony doesn't 'need to take notes' or 'learn something' from Fuji, or any other fanboy blather trying to brag about Fuji superiority, because they don't make FF digital camera lenses like the FE library and the comparison to the APS-C stuff is apples/oranges.
J A C S: Sony: 68.6 x 59.5 mm, 186gCanon: 69.2 x 39.3mm, 160g, half the price
So a smaller body means a larger lens with the same design?
The A7II is actually deeper (!) with that lens than the 6D with the 50 STM.
This BS again. Always some Mirrorless/Sony hater who has to try to assert that ML is inferior and 'doesn't save anything' in terms of size or weight because the off-plane misaligned tool at camerasize makes one lens of a given FL look as 'big' on the Sony as another of the same FL, because all lenses of the same FL must be equal and therefore the same size and price.
No chance this might be a much better lens than the Canon, or priced according to how recently it was developed and released, compared to a lens that's been out for years? Or that ALL lenses on FE are 'bigger than EF' because this one comparison shows the Canon version to be a bit smaller? Nice try. Have you used a ZA 35/2.8, lately? Where that equivalent of that size and weight/performance on Canon?
Lens length is everything in gear size? A smaller and lighter body taking up less volume overall is 'the same size with no advantages anymore' because one lens ends at roughly the same place as a DSLR?
The UI is the least of my complaints. No IBIS, exorbitant pricing and lack of updating the 35/2 to something even marginally faster headline my disinterest.
Just don't get why some people despise the Sony menu system so much, given that it's structurally no different than Canon or Nikon, just less intuitively tabbed. After a while, you remember where everything you normally use is, regardless.
ttran88: Waiting for a Canon or Nikon version....
Joe Ogiba: 4K UHD screenshot :https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5741/23525248254_91def9ecf5_o.png
Grow up, boys. It's a human body with far better complexion and hygiene than any of you lot employ... Were this a male model, nobody would be saying a thing. The teenage boy mentality that prevails here is sad.
ttran88: Let me guess who wins the next round up of $2000+ high end cameras, Canon 5Ds/R?
The crying of the Sony haters is hilarious.
ybizzle: The 7DII (which I own) is perhaps the most versatile of the bunch. You get the best AF performance, weather sealing, and frame rate while giving up a tad in the IQ dept and high ISO performance. For me it was a no brainer as I don't pixel peep and it is mainly used for club photography with flash so fast low light AF was key. It will also come in handy for my sports shoots! ;)
Ah, the shrieking of APS-C and Canikon fans. By all means, let's call APS-C IQ differences 'slight' when they aren't...
MikeDPR: Auto ISO:Samsung's NX1 (and others probably) already has focal-length-dependent auto ISO (which you can override easily). It's the best I've seen, behaves just the way people want (*cough*sony a7 users*cough*).
AF point selection:A touchscreen with a good EVF/LCD auto switching implementation like in NX1 solves the problem for the most part.
Battery life:Don't let Sony A7 series be the representative of all mirrorless cams. GH4 and NX1 can shoot 500+ shots vs A7's ~300.
Unfortunately, NX1 owners seem to be angry at all other mirrorless brands and owners for existing and not being dumped like Samsung has done to the NX line. *cough*
jagge: Sour grapes that is what it is. Ming did a lot of raving reviews on mirror less before he saw the light.
Sure mirror less are compromises like everything else. The ridiculous thing here is that a equal list of shortcomings can be made on dslr. It's a strangely lopsided critique
I think jagge read the same article I did. Lopsided is exactly how I'd characterize his numerous rants on MILCs and Sony, specifically. Highly selective logic and cherrypicking features and their respective importance, not to mention some apparent difficulty getting his facts straight (see his 'retraction' about Fuji as one example).
PeaceKeeper: I see a picture of an X-T1 there... has he never used it? Several of the features he claims mirrorless lack are right there.
He even singled out Fuji for being able to turn off the back screen, but still wasn't happy that you needed to access a menu to do it. A menu to shut off the back screen? There's a dedicated button right next to the viewfinder.
Just an example... I noticed a few other manufacturers being overlooked for having solutions to his problems.
I think maybe he's viewed/reviewed a lot, liked a few, disliked others, and conveniently forgot all the features that exist on the ones he disliked. It seems very clear that he favors Leica, which by itself is fine. Sadly, he does a disservice to other cameras by failing to use them enough to give useful opinions.
Thein doesn't make mistakes, his readers just distort the importance of specific inaccuracies. ;)
dansclic: Battery problem IS à problem. Buy 2 spare batteries, are you kidding ? You pay 500 USD for a small camera and because the battery is too weak you havé to give away another 100 USD ????Size has little to do. Take the older Casio pocket cameras. My wird has got one. The battery is not big but you CAN make more than 500 shoots with it.In india, smartphones batteries last more than two weeks...... So,what ?
If you pay $100 for two mirrorless camera batteries, you're doing it wrong. If you think an old Casio pocket camera is drawing the same power as an A7RII you are not understanding some basic fundamentals.
NoMirror99: Thein has some points. But, his credibility, for me, is destroyed by his ignorance about Sony cameras. Why on Earth didn't he RTFM before he wrote. However, I don't doubt that he is a talented photographer. Almost everyone posting here says he is. I have't seen his work, but I'm willing to accept that as fact because the members of this forum as a group have credibility.
10 seconds is about how much time he's put into learning and understanding the Sony A7 series.
mgrum: The thing about mirrorless cameras is they are not DSLRs. You have to do things slightly differently and you have to learn some new techniques, you can't just pick it up as if it's a DSLR and expect to be able to get the same results right away.
This is something reviewers often miss, they don't have the time to learn to use a particular camera. A perfect example of this is the complaints over cluttered EVFs, every camera I've seen has a way of turning that off.
Another one is ergonomics. After using an A7R for less than a year DSLRs now feel like they have poor ergonomics.
Sony camera app development would be minimal even if Sony did 'open up the store' (whatever that means - Apple certainly doesn't have an entirely 'open' dev system). There aren't enough people buying apps on the thing to justify the costs for most developers.
M Lammerse: The biggest disadvantage for me personally is the lack of a good optical viewfinder in most models.
Nothing beats a good OVF ... except a good EVF.
tecnoworld: Very poor article, really. No mention of the best APSC mirrorless ever (Samsung NX1). Here on DPR it scored 87% with the old fw (and the new one improved 100% AF and added features like DIS). If it were another brand, it would have scored at least 93%.
The NX cameras are a lesson in going with what you want regardless of what other people tell you is 'supported'. There's a decent selection of glass and some good bodies so why should anyone need to justify the thing? That Thein ignored Samsung entirely is another indicator of his rather elitist popularity contest attitude.
NoMirror99: Ming's lack of knowledge about Sonys as demonstrated in this article, brings the veracity of the entire piece into question. In spite of that, I agree with some items in his list. And these are not DSLRs, get over it!
Agreed. The bit in his mouth about Sony is tiresome. His A7II review was quite flawed and little more than a hit piece.
HowaboutRAW: Using manual focus lenses sure increases battery life.
When I shot my Samsung NX100 with a Zeiss 50mm Nikon F mount, I'd get a 800 shots out of the battery.
The point is it's not simply a mirrorless factor.
The NX100 CIPA rating is 420. Tha A7 is 340 driving a larger EVF and much larger sensor.
qwertyasdf: Fairly speaking, Canon and Panasonic mirrorlesses have decent battery life, Sony's bad, and Olympus is absolutely miserable (less than 200 shots per charge on EM5, IBIS off)
I want to suggest something out of the ordinary, how about a collapsible telephoto lens to keep everything small?! Since telephotos really have a lot of air space in them.
Since the picture is showing a Fuji camera, I'm particularly disappointed with them, why the heck are their lenses becoming bigger and bigger?!?!?! I love Fuji, but stopped with the X-A1 and 18--55mm F2.8-4, I have no desire to buy any of their huge lenses.
Yeah, we need to move past the '300 shots is miserably bad' whine-fest. I have two extra batteries and a fast charger that cost about $15 shipped and along with in-body charging I rarely have any issue with battery life.
Jim Salvas: Given the price points and even image quality, he makes a good case for m/43 and especially Olympus. The only cameras which get more positive mentions in his piece are Leicas, at three to seven times the price of the top Oly models.
With Ming Thein, as long as it's not a Sony, it's at least acceptable. Of course, no non-DSLR really finds great favor with him.
As expected with his usual inaccurate/unbalanced Sony-bashing style, Thein lists a photo of an A7 series in with the header 'Too slow and unresponsive, power hungry'... Sounds like someone fell out of favor and didn't get a review sample from Sony.
And then 'take a long time to fix – after a long period of denial...' referring to Sony RAW compression (there was no denial on Sony's part).
Not sure what he's talking about with UI delays, either. But then, he's baiting clicks like other 'shock blog' folks (Lloyd & Rockwell) with the whole 'no cigar' thing about mirrorless. Some of us definitely have our needs met these cameras and there will never be a ONE SIZE FITS ALL solution. Just 'one blog gets more clicks'.