Henrikw: Thanks for this great video. I'm very happy to see the A6000 getting all this praise as it's well deserved. At some point, even the biggest camera snobs will have to come to terms with the fact that Sony has created a little, cheap mirrorless which holds it's own against the big, expensive dslr's - in some areas outperforming the Canons and Nikons.
@Zeisschen...my comment was related to the selection of lenses he was using here and what I see used in many many different testings of the A6000. Sure they have "adapters" for other third party lenses but IIRC that impacts focus performance. Also if I'm not mistaken at f/2.8 there's an impact on fps rate.
In terms of a DSLR with anything substancial, use a small monopod. The body isn't heavy it's the lenses that usually are. at football games I use either/both a 70-200 f/2.8 and upwards of a 400mm f4/5.6 range.
lacikuss: I like the DR of this camera and the overall package, however this camera is advertised in the video as excellent for action/sports?
I can't see how can you test the AF speed with a subject at 200 meters barely moving across the frame with a APS-C sensor. At that distance with a 300mm focal length at f/5.6 you have a total dof of 182.9m, starting from 144m and ending at 327m. So even a MANUAL FOCUS LENS would do.
If the subject was at 50m then the dof would be 10m, I guess MANUAL FOCUS would do that too...
So, is this the best DPR can test and vouch for the AF of a camera?
BTW the subject is perfectly isolated from the water in it dark suit.
Arrogance? Common sense really. Expose properly and you don't need to lift by 2+ stops. Seriously...kudos to Sony for a great sensor, but the DR arguments are typically slanted to those who don't know how to use a camera / expose properly.
Even still I've shot at base ISO 100 on the 7DMKII and pushed shadows 2 stops with minimum to no noise and posted in the Canon forum when debating the issue. Feel free to stop by and do so to no avail again. Happy to compare shots.
In the end is there a difference....yeah in both skill and minor in terms of noise. If that is what you need then buy a Sony. Others will shoot properly and enjoy a way more robust focus system when it counts. We'll also enjoy shooting wide open at f/2.8 and getting a much better DOF appearance and still retain full Frames per second shooting. Try shooting indoor sports with your Sony with those settings and let us know how that works for you.
GM emerged from Bankruptcy just fine and truck sales across the board in 2014 were among the best figures in the last 10 years.
In terms of DR, that's fine considering the only ones needing to push shadows 2 full stops are those that don't know how to use a camera. Even then, the 7DMKII metering system is far better than most out there.
Let me know when it can actually be used for indoor basketball or better yet a childrens on-stage play. Less than stellar light kills it's AF Capability. But hey, I'm still waiting on SI to switch over to Sony for football, basketball, baseball or more....hasn't happened for a reason.....
LOL that's funny. I'll keep my eye out of A6000's at the next pro sporting event I attend. Haven't seen them used yet.
The Sony Mirrorless line up is indeed nice. They are also nice compliments to a DSLR, but honestly none of the photos taken in this video are remarkable from the standpoint of needing this camera to take them. DSLR's today and even my 2007 40D Canon could nail those shots with some significant advantages. Advantages in terms of shallow DOF and range of focal length and reach available to them. Let alone better balance and ergonomics.
The A6000 is a great little camera and one I would enjoy for traveling, but you won't see nor do you see many if any used for pro sports and there are obvious reasons why. This video shows many of them.
pdqgp: Meh, I feel for them, but they will very likely be hired back as freelance contractors. It will save the company money and free up the photogs to do other things too.
@redfoxActually jobs like freelancers and those being paid on 1099''s often do very well. Earning a paycheck is great but comes with burdens and less rewards. I own my own businesses on top of working for a large co. and do well but independance is key and the money there is better.
Retirement isn't an issue for a 1099 person either as part of their 'tax advantages' is found in IRA contributions. Own your own business and you'll know what I mean. Wife and I write checks every spring to contribute to our retirement and it helps us avoid lots of taxes. Benefit wise, I'll gladly self-insure and contribute to an HSA. Most companies are doing that anyway. Especially when I make far more than working for someone else.
In the end, it's about risk / reward. Take less risks but you often get less rewards. No thanks. I would especially say thats true for these photogs who are no doubt not going to be left in the cold.
Meh, I feel for them, but they will very likely be hired back as freelance contractors. It will save the company money and free up the photogs to do other things too.
Naveed Akhtar: Can we have similar Page 13 type Hdr comparison with Fujifilm XT1, pleeeease? with any new Canon or Nikon APSC or FF DSLR!!
Since DxoMark denies to perform any test on XTrans sensors, it would be good to get some comparison results here!!
@Rishi Sanyal"We actually did do a series of tests, first microadjusting a 24/1.4, then comparing PDAF to Dual-Pixel AF. Dual-Pixel AF has higher accuracy (meaning it doesn't appear to need microadjustment; in fact, microadjustment doesn't even appear to be available for dual-pixel AF. the implications of that are incredibly exciting). It also has fantastic precision, as does the center AF point of the dedicated PDAF system."
^^ you do realize that Microfocus Adjustments only apply to the OVF as when using Live View and DPAF the camera is measuring right off the sensor. This isn't something new.
ttran88: Search Gary fong A6000 vs 7DM2 on YouTube guys and gals. You will be surprised with what the results are. And yes Gary is a Sony Artisan. But he's not the first to test the AF abilities of this $600 camera. The guys at Cameralabs shot the tour of de France with A6000 + FE 70-200mm. Their hit rates were high as well. The days of DSLR AF being superior to mirrorless is numbered.
Too bad Gary and Kyle didn't operate the 7DMKII correctly. They seriously need to read the manual on how to use the 65pt AF System when iTR is enabled like that had it. It was completely user error why it failed.
Whitesands: It doesn't surprise me...Smartphones are so small and light and folks have these things with them all the time they're bound to be a lot of photos taken with them...
Are they good photos ? Well, they are certainly good considering what they are...But they are by no means as capable as the nikons they have overtaken...
You bring up a good point. Just like with MP3's people all over have proven they will sacrifice quality in both pics and music for the sake of convenience.
Richard Murdey: 1. Flickr didn't bother including the K-3 in their database. I think everyone here can agree its a 'serious' dSLR, and Pentax is a bit under-represented as a result.
(you'd think Pentax USA would have given the guys at flickr a call before now...)
2. Yes, smartphones are cameras. Yes, they are popular. But worrying whether Nikon is "more popular" than Apple doesn't really make much sense since iPhone sales hardly impact how many dSLRs Nikon is going to be able to sell. The data above mostly just shows the flood of the iPhone and Android (Samsung) smartphones, its hard to get a sense of how the different camera manufacturers are doing relative to each other.
What I would have loved to see the same "user" data, but just the ILCs and plotted for the last 5 years as absolute numbers rather than percentages, to be able to watch the rise of Fuji, Sony and other mirrorless and whether that correlated with any contraction in Nikon and Canon users or not.
On top of that my 8 and 11 yr old both have iPhones but neither owns a real camera. All in all it's more about ease of access and ease of use than it is a refusal or lack of interest in real cameras like Nikon.
Raintitan: I know people are crapping all over this but it isn't for those people anyway.
I think this is a great offering that fits the way some people want to learn.
Some people will love this and we should be happy for the people this is for.
@JF69I have not twisted any words so stop making yourself seem foolish. I also am not rejoicing. Please feel free to show me where I have done either.
I don't feel anything for him personally on the matter. Has nothing to do with an internet discussion, it's about his lack of ethics and misleading of people. Again, the discussion has nothing to do with it so please stop trying to feed words into my points. It won't work.
@JF69 Yep, when someone tries to twist words I'm going to point it out. and no my friend, I'm hardly hiding.
@Volkovia " Better settings or control (locking onto the target) could have been used on the MKII. But it wasn't a full proof test and it was never stated to be. No need to continue to attack the guy for posting a simple comparison. "
He absolutely stated numerous times in the threads on this subject and comments under his video that the MKII results were due to the camera and he argued their set up as being correct when it was in fact not. I'm not going to "move on" while he continues to mislead people on the matter.
Mike Sandman: Wow -- there are a lot of snarky comments about this! All you so very sophisticated critics, wouldn't you like to spend enough time fooling around with the controls on an expensive camera before you plunk down you credit card? Here's a way to do it, albeit within the limits of doing things virtually.
It's NOT just for a newbie trying to learn how to focus. I'm a Canon FF DSLR owner thinking about jumping to FF mirrorless, but concerned about Sony's hitherto odd ideas about how menus. I'd love to go through the Alpha 7ii menu to be sure it won't drive me nuts. Take all the time you need - something you may have time to do in a camera store, or maybe not. Want to see the effect of different levels of focus peaking? Want to know if it's easy to go from single shot to time delay? To change focus points? Check it out. Obsess as long as you want without ticking off the photo store sales clerk. No matter what you think of Gary's "Tupperware," this idea has merit.
" the 7Dii might be a bit harder to set-up to just grab and shoot for any particular situation and even if it does perform better "
^^ Nah....the 7DMKII comes out of box set for Case 1 which would work fine in most situations. It requires an equal amount of knowledge of use as the Sony. Again, even there, I'm not going to simply pick up a Sony and start shooting without reading the manual. That's all Gary and Kyle had to do.
@JF69Where have I "rejoiced" ? Nice try and twisting things. You and him are two peas in a pod.
@Clint009 My credibility is in both knowing first hand how to use the 7DMKII AF System in and out and also by showing Gary first hand with the guides and manuals. Don't believe a word I say then, just review Canon's own instructions and supplements I provided in those threads being discussed. That's exactly why I did so. You get no more credible than Canon themselves when it comes to operating their equipment.
My problem isn't with Gary himself, it's his misleading people that I have a problem with. He also is pretty darn arrogant and ignores facts and pursues personal attacks on people he doesn't know while simultaneously honoring himself to a point of sickness vs addressing the facts. In fact he still hasn't addressed any of the guides or points directly from Canon as it relates to his their settings during that test. I doubt he ever will. Weak.
Perhaps you're willing to overlook the facts and obvious and let him continue to do that. I'm not.
I also don't feel bad for Gary. His family yes, but him no. He's a pompus self promoting fool who is quick to target individuals vs the facts and he doesn't accept correction or debate well at all. His interpersonal skills are as bad as his understanding of the MKII. Perhaps he will realize this and the events will instill a little humility in him. It would be one thing if I was a lone wolf, but lots of people, tons of people know this about him and even warned me because initially, I liked and trusted him and even defended him in the thread. His reality shines through though and in the end, I'm sure he'll continue to mislead people and rebuild an even nicer house, brag about it online more and do so off the backs of others while riding the coat tails of Sony and using the money to self promote himself. $5 says he builds a statue of himself in his own home.
@JF69RTFM on the 7DMKII and it's AF System incorporating iTR and once you do that you'll see they didn't properly instruct the cameras AF System on what do. If you still don't get it, then start over and PM me.
At 1:27 the AF System didn't "find" the skier, it was jumping all over "finding" lots of things because it wasn't instructed from step one at 1:18 that the skier was indeed the target.
The rudimentary way of understanding is this: The AF System with all 65pts and iTR on is like a guided missile system. You have to FIRST use a SINGLE point to IDENTIFY the target and initiate AF. Once you do that it will track that target based on all the variables already mentioned to insure lock and tracking. Kyle did NOT do that correctly.
So like a guided missile that has no instructions, it barreled around through other targets by mistake looking for the closest match to what it was instructed to find. Pun intended...it's not rocket science.
@JF69 Did you even read the posts? I absolutely proved it was user error and even gave more than just my experience, I linked to the manuals showing the proper use of the camera and even to the corresponding settings Gary/Kyle had. If you need me to recap the details I’d be happy to do so, but rather than clog this area, just PM me. At 1:18 the camera locked onto snow and iTR then said “okay” I’ll track things with that color, shape, contrast level and size which of is doable for the 7DMKII in one shot mode, but it obviously can’t “track” that one patch of snow. Clearly user error as the camera attempted to follow instructions given to it by the operator. Anyone understanding of how the AF System works, including iTR easily sees that. If you don’t you won’t.