ADBE stocks going down today as well...Nasdaq is positive.
lenseye: Thank you Mr. Hughes for confirming at least my fears! Also thank you for letting me go for ALL of 30 days without HAVING to connect to internet! I don't want to ever connect until I feel like it! How about that? How does that sound? You think a user should be free enough to make that decision?
Time to change! Nothing's forever! Not even Adobe!
@Hertz Well said!
Mister J: Snake-oil suit talk.
I guess we're all now looking for a Photoshop replacement.
Pixelmator is some of the way there, but still crashes and hangs, so development needed. Even so, they must be drooling at the market opportunity.
As for Lightroom, Aperture is the excellent alternative.
FCP is now a pretty good video editor.
InDesign? Quark is improving by the day, and is well priced.
I can't think of an Illustrator alternative, but maybe there's one I don't know about.
Aperture = MAC only.Finding an alternative for software and doubling hardware price is not viable.There are Bibble and LightZone, though
williams359: I don't mind paying monthly, I'm fine with it. But the price. I have upgraded photoshop each time at a cost of £150 - £199 but now they want £17.58 a month. We used to upgrade every 18 months so now the cost is up to £316. THATS MORE THAN DOUBLE THE PRICE. This has to have been the most obvious question of all to ask them.
...was the "hole" bit intended? :-P
Earthlight: I would also like to know the reason for the EUR/USD price difference... It is the same cloud for all, right?
I'm EU, but English will do for me...Pleas US price without the translation... ;-)</tongue in cheek>
Looks like a hurried and unconvincing attempt at damage control to me...
Nely: Maybe Adobe is running out of new ideas to improve their product. Currently users have no reason to spend the money to upgrade unless valuable new improvements are made. With their new business model there is no incentive for Adobe to improve the performance or capabilities of the software. Just keep charging for the same old thing. Thank you very little.
Thinking about selling my shares of stock as well.
Movies are *already* a 4D art, they play out in time.
Well.. today ADBE lost 1.91% in a flat Nasdaq...It's not much (and it's nothing for a share that has gaining unrelentingly in the last four years), but still...
Well.. they still have some major trump cards to play, like:1) true full screen support in LR5 (duh? why wasn't it there in the first place? like... LR1?)2) a deconvolution filter that actually works? I tried Topaz InFocus and, no, I can't make it work as I would like.
vincent__l: Here's my guess on how this is going to play out:
1) Within a couple of months hackers will make all the CC apps freely available on the Internet.
2) Everyone who used the illegal copies of the apps will continue to do so. Nothing will change
3) The big change comes from the paying customers. ADBE has become one of the most hated companies overnight. Loyal customers, who have always paid for the software, will start using the illegal copies.
4) Within a year ADBE top and bottom line growth will be lower than what Wall Street was promised due to significantly increased piracy. Part of this will be mitigated by the higher prices from the remaining paying customers.
5) CEO will be asked to step down (with golden parachute).
6) New CEO comes in and will announce a round of layoffs. A company that throws loyal customers under the bus won't hesitate to fire rank and file employees if it increases profits
7) ADBE will go into damage control mode and offer perpetual licenses
My thoughts exactly, I think it's gonna play out more or less like you said.
philbb: CC gets more costly if you live outside of the US
Single app $19.99 or if in UK £17.58 a month.Existing CS customers $29.99 or £27.34 if in the UK.
Tourist rate today is £1 = $1.51
How can Adobe justify the differential?
I guess my legitimate PS CS6 will be my last PS version. As am amateur I cannot justify this price hike. Please Adobe rethink.
It's the cost of shipping all those gigabytes on a cargo ship across the Atlantic.
...or are they using a cargo plane? :-|
Andreas Stuebs: Regrettably the SNL footage cannot be viewed outside USA
philbb: I recently bought a copy of CS6 with a view to skip the next version but consider future version's depending on what features are offered. I'm not a professional and I can't afford or justify constant upgrade's.
Disappointed in Adobe's approach. CC is likely to be too expensive for me. Whilst this is not an immediate problem for me I hope Adobe listens to the negative feedback and restores customer choice.
If not I'll be forced to look elsewhere for my software in the future.
I just checked the pricing,Single app $19.99 or if in UK £17.58 a month.Existing CS customers $29.99 or £27.34 if in the UK.
The price differential between the US / UK is massive !!!!
Yes, full disclosure please.It's only fair.
Danny: Adobe thinks that if you are a professional you 'need' Photoshop to do your job. That is a big mistake. As a professional you can work on any piece of software that has the basics, as like a painter can still make a great painting with a different brush. If you have talent you can work on anything and are not depended on anything else besides your talent. Sure, we are used to work with product A, now we have to get used to product B, so what? You need to be a complete imbecile if you ever going to pay for their cloud option. Serious, who is going to do that???
"ah gw5815 joined too :)":D priceless...
Sordid: So why exactly would I want to convert my RAW files into DNGs?Way too dangerous, folks.
Yeah but not every program other than PS supports them, there are some which don't.So keep your camera's original RAWs...
agentul: genius marketing: Paint Shop Pro X5 ultimate on sale at Amazon.com.
majority of pros likes to pay double for the same hardware.I'll concede that OSX is a better choice for audio, since Windows is no longer real-time, but for graphics...
Kenneth L NOR: Adobe is not greedy, this is a good deal. Looks like there is a lot of haters in the photog community. So sad, all the horror you must deal with every day.
$20/month for photoshop is cheap. Here in Norway PS costs 200NOK, that's almost 34USD.
With monthly payments more people can afford PS. You get continuously and seemless updates.You never need to buy an upgrade package, just pay your monthly fee and you will always have the newest software.
Genious move from Adobe!
You'll never have a choice whether to buy or not an upgrade package.You'll never have a choice if they choose to unilaterally change their pricing policy.You'll never have the choice to stop paying or you will lose the right to use the software altogether.
I concur: genius move from Adobe.
...not so smart on your part.
Lea5: 1024 posts in 16 hours, wow! Is this a new record?
In my humblestest opinion, anyone having a facepalm account is a tool, and his/her opinion doesn't count...
happypoppeye: I still use PSE ver 1 ...works perfectly fine. Anyone who upgrades every time Adobe comes out with a new version is, in my opinion, an idoit or has alot of money to waste ...figure I'll pick up the latest version and I'm good for life or until someone else comes out with something better ...a monthly subscription, you gotta be kidding me.
No need to call people names.There has been quite a number of useful new features from the early versions.You need Elements for your workflow, other people might have a higher productivity with something else.They are not "idoits" because of that.
On the topic of mothly subscription I agree with you 200%.
Biowizard: It's taken a number of years, but this is the obvious and inevitable follow-on from the "Authorisation/Activation" model that Adobe first introduced with the original CS (that followed on after Photoshop 7, Illustrator 10 & InDesign 2). Up till then, you could buy your CD, and install it on a computer without even having to register it. You had a personal serial number, and "agreed" not to make multiple installations or to give the software away. And if you did the latter, the serial number could be traced to you.
With CS, once you'd installed your software, you had to go online to get your stuff "activated" - without this it wouldn't work. At the time, many of us felt this could one day be abused, and this is one of several reasons I stuck with PS 7.
Looks like we sceptics were right all along. It's just taken Adobe a few years longer than we originally thought.
This is BAD, Adobe. VERY BAD.
Even Rock Wellken, which often sounds like an Adobe fanboy, had a small rant when he found that the activation servers for CS2 were down back in March, but for CS2 Adobe still provides a version that doesn't require activation.
Thus, it's something you can use forever, or until there isn't any more working hardware that supports it left on eBay for you to buy, theoretically.