Rachotilko: Hey, for $469 you can get this: http://www.dpreview.com/products/sigma/lenses/sigma_17-50_2p8_os
It seems digital photography's golden times are over:
Some 4-7 years ago it was possible to buy P&S compact cameras with excellent optics and 1/1.6" sized sensors for reasonable price. DSLRs were expensive, sure, but their prices descended constantly.
Then the 2008 came, and P&S compacts started their descent into the hell of disposability with a complete disregard of any decency optics-wise (too much of a decentered lens lottery) and the crazy MP and MZ races.
As I am not keen on mirrors (& resulting bulk), so my hope was named "mirrorless". I also hoped mirrorless stuff gets cheaper over time, basically replacing both DSLR's and small sensored compacts. But the opposite happened with mirrorless equipment prices rising each new generation.
Nowadays, the only option for me is a DSLR as the compacts turned rubbish, and mirrorlesses are offered for these exorbitant prices.
And the Yen to Dollar ratio likely has a lot to do with this. DSLR body and lens prices have risen a lot in the past few years too.
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Posted on May 22, 2012 at 06:31:06 UTC
abolit: 2.8 DOF for 4/3 is not the same as for full frame camera.Can' t see any advantages here. The background will be as sharp as the object. Leica 25 1.4 , olympus 12 2.0 & olympus 45 1.8 is better option even if it's not zoom.
Why are people hung up on the equivalent aperture thing? Sure the DOF will be like f/5.6 on a FF, but the light gathering is still f/2.8. It's also harder to make a constant f/2.8 zoom than f/5.6 zoom FOR ANY SENSOR FORMAT - so it's going to cost a lot more than my very good $265 Nikon 24-85/3.5-4.5 AFS.
If you want low DOF move to a larger format.
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Posted on May 22, 2012 at 06:21:59 UTC
jhinkey: Would be nearly the perfect compact camera for me, except there are no compact wide angle primes to go along with this fantastically compact body.
They need a 8/4 and a 10/2.8 and a compact 12-35/2.8 (I know that Panasonic is coming out with one, but it remains to be seen how good and how compact it is).
Also, for us landscaper types a multi-aspect ratio sensor would have been perfect!
Still no rectilinear primes under 12mm and I find, though small, the 12/2 not all that compact when you put it on a OM-D E-5.
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Posted on Mar 19, 2012 at 03:21:13 UTC
Would be nearly the perfect compact camera for me, except there are no compact wide angle primes to go along with this fantastically compact body.
They need a 8/4 and a 10/2.8 and a compact 12-35/2.8 (I know that Panasonic is coming out with one, but it remains to be seen how good and how compact it is).
Also, for us landscaper types a multi-aspect ratio sensor would have been perfect!
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Posted on Mar 18, 2012 at 20:49:03 UTC
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Don't particularly care what it looks like, but it misses the mark for me since there is no built-in EVF. Perhaps the K-02 will have this all-important feature (for me at least).
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Though the response to the CL ad could have been written much better than it was, the CL ad itself shows how few people really understand how a business is run or business works. All they see is their cost and have no clue as to the cost of doing business or the effort it takes the business to provide the product (in this case wedding images).
A classic example of a symptom of the poor level of education all too typical in this country.
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Posted on Jan 28, 2012 at 00:05:54 UTC
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This camera ticks all the boxes of my desired high quality fixed lens travel camera - except for the 28mm FF equivalent end of the zoom. Would have been a slam dunk for me if it was 24mm - XXmm/2.8-5.6.
I've been searching for years to find a worthy replacement to my Nikon CoolPix 8400 - 24-85/2.6-4.9 lens,OVF/ EVF, swivel LCD, video, RAW, built-in flash.
Hopefully Nikon will take a lesson from Canon and produce a fixed zoom lens version of the N1 system.
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Posted on Jan 14, 2012 at 17:58:38 UTC
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Would be perfect for me except: - No EVF - Starts at 28mm instead of 24mm FX equivalent - Slow at the tele end (85mm at f/4 would be better)
I've wanted Nikon to come out with such a beast with their APS-C senors, but perhaps this will now spur them to do this with the CX sensor.
Some may think this would compete with the N1 system, but it would motivate folks like me who will not be buying an V1 anytime soon to purchase an addition camera to my FX DSLR.
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LightRoom: So let's see. We are paying a lot of money for a quality lens. But then for X Y Z excuses we are going to get an inferior lens? EXCUSE ME! What a load of bull! So typical of nowadays! If you are charging a wonderful price for a wonderful lens, I expect your lens to be wonderful.
But no, we should pay for full quality, when manufacturers to save costs move over to cheaper countries with cheaper workforce and lower quality checks, leaving a lot of people unemployed.
But we should understand? Well no, sorry. F U . Not only we don't understand, we don't want to. And we will not.
If a product is sold saying it ill meet certain standards it should. The rest is a load of lame excuses, and if you ask me, a fraud.
Have a nice day!
Yes there are tolerances, but tighter tolerances cost more - more to manufacture, more to inspect, etc. Each company makes decisions on what tolerances are good enough - it's statistical-based analysis. Sometimes the tolerances of lens and camera add up in a bad way. If they do there is nothing keeping the purchaser from sending it in under warranty or sending it in for adjustment on their own dime. Unfortunate, but true.
LightRoom says he pays good $$ for his equipment, but how much more would he be willing to pay to get a 100% perfect lens and body? 2x, 3x, 4x more?
I've had no problems with sending lenses in to Nikon with proven problems and getting them to fix it (however if you just say it's not functioning well w/o any photographic proof they typically won't do much).
It's the same way with cars or any other item composed of many high precisions parts - sometimes you get a bad one.
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Posted on Nov 26, 2011 at 02:42:36 UTC
Nice article that confirms what many people who know something about mass-produced items already knew. Nice to see some example data that shows how these things work and what's involved in performing a valid test of lens performance.
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Posted on Oct 5, 2011 at 21:35:34 UTC
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jhinkey: Though a nice little article, I was hoping for a far more useful article on "Photography While Traveling" - i.e, you are not traveling to take travel photography images, but rather you want to take great pictures while out on travel/vacation. What to bring, how to shoot, how to travel with photo gear.
How about an article like that dpreview?
If you need someone to write that article contact me.
Thanks for the reply - I may just give it a go since I live just a few miles away from you guys in Seattle.
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Posted on Sep 27, 2011 at 22:30:02 UTC
Though a nice little article, I was hoping for a far more useful article on "Photography While Traveling" - i.e, you are not traveling to take travel photography images, but rather you want to take great pictures while out on travel/vacation. What to bring, how to shoot, how to travel with photo gear.
How about an article like that dpreview?
If you need someone to write that article contact me.
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Posted on Sep 27, 2011 at 19:48:18 UTC
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I think the V1 and J1 are fine for their intended audience, it's just that very few of them inhabit dpreview.
Now take this system and build me a V1 that has more external controls, a built-in flash, and some fast zooms and primes and my $$ will not be going to Panasonic or Sony. Though it may be too late since Nikon is behind, very behind.
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Posted on Sep 21, 2011 at 08:45:47 UTC
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Seattle, WA, United States
Rachotilko: Hey, for $469 you can get this: http://www.dpreview.com/products/sigma/lenses/sigma_17-50_2p8_os
It seems digital photography's golden times are over:
Some 4-7 years ago it was possible to buy P&S compact cameras with excellent optics and 1/1.6" sized sensors for reasonable price. DSLRs were expensive, sure, but their prices descended constantly.
Then the 2008 came, and P&S compacts started their descent into the hell of disposability with a complete disregard of any decency optics-wise (too much of a decentered lens lottery) and the crazy MP and MZ races.
As I am not keen on mirrors (& resulting bulk), so my hope was named "mirrorless". I also hoped mirrorless stuff gets cheaper over time, basically replacing both DSLR's and small sensored compacts. But the opposite happened with mirrorless equipment prices rising each new generation.
Nowadays, the only option for me is a DSLR as the compacts turned rubbish, and mirrorlesses are offered for these exorbitant prices.
And the Yen to Dollar ratio likely has a lot to do with this. DSLR body and lens prices have risen a lot in the past few years too.
abolit: 2.8 DOF for 4/3 is not the same as for full frame camera.Can' t see any advantages here. The background will be as sharp as the object.
Leica 25 1.4 , olympus 12 2.0 & olympus 45 1.8 is better option even if it's not zoom.
Why are people hung up on the equivalent aperture thing? Sure the DOF will be like f/5.6 on a FF, but the light gathering is still f/2.8.
It's also harder to make a constant f/2.8 zoom than f/5.6 zoom FOR ANY SENSOR FORMAT - so it's going to cost a lot more than my very good $265 Nikon 24-85/3.5-4.5 AFS.
If you want low DOF move to a larger format.
This lens and the OM-D E-M5 may make me finally get into m43 for a compact alternative to my Nikon D700 + FX lenses.
jhinkey: Would be nearly the perfect compact camera for me, except there are no compact wide angle primes to go along with this fantastically compact body.
They need a 8/4 and a 10/2.8 and a compact 12-35/2.8 (I know that Panasonic is coming out with one, but it remains to be seen how good and how compact it is).
Also, for us landscaper types a multi-aspect ratio sensor would have been perfect!
Still no rectilinear primes under 12mm and I find, though small, the 12/2 not all that compact when you put it on a OM-D E-5.
Would be nearly the perfect compact camera for me, except there are no compact wide angle primes to go along with this fantastically compact body.
They need a 8/4 and a 10/2.8 and a compact 12-35/2.8 (I know that Panasonic is coming out with one, but it remains to be seen how good and how compact it is).
Also, for us landscaper types a multi-aspect ratio sensor would have been perfect!
Looks to me that if you scaled down the D4 shot you'd end up with the D3s' noise characteristic.
Not bad at all Nikon! Now just give me the D4 sensor in a D700-like body and I'll be forking over some of my hard-earned $$!
Square-ish vs. Rounded design - who cares as long as the body has the functionality that is desired.
My only wish for this camera is for a built-in flash - so it's likely not a winner for me even though the add-on flash is small and pocketable.
Now if Nikon would make a 24-85/2.8-4 AFS VR (and way way better than the old 24-85/2.8-4D) I'd be set.
Chaitanya S: Awesome, wish Nikon had a 70-200 f/4 in their lens lineup.
Hopefully this will spur Nikon to create their own 70-200/4.
It would be nice to know the approximate availability of this lens: This year, 2013?
Don't particularly care what it looks like, but it misses the mark for me since there is no built-in EVF. Perhaps the K-02 will have this all-important feature (for me at least).
Though the response to the CL ad could have been written much better than it was, the CL ad itself shows how few people really understand how a business is run or business works. All they see is their cost and have no clue as to the cost of doing business or the effort it takes the business to provide the product (in this case wedding images).
A classic example of a symptom of the poor level of education all too typical in this country.
This camera ticks all the boxes of my desired high quality fixed lens travel camera - except for the 28mm FF equivalent end of the zoom. Would have been a slam dunk for me if it was 24mm - XXmm/2.8-5.6.
I've been searching for years to find a worthy replacement to my Nikon CoolPix 8400 - 24-85/2.6-4.9 lens,OVF/ EVF, swivel LCD, video, RAW, built-in flash.
Hopefully Nikon will take a lesson from Canon and produce a fixed zoom lens version of the N1 system.
Would be perfect for me except:
- No EVF
- Starts at 28mm instead of 24mm FX equivalent
- Slow at the tele end (85mm at f/4 would be better)
I've wanted Nikon to come out with such a beast with their APS-C senors, but perhaps this will now spur them to do this with the CX sensor.
Some may think this would compete with the N1 system, but it would motivate folks like me who will not be buying an V1 anytime soon to purchase an addition camera to my FX DSLR.
jpatel: Are there detailed specifications available anywhere?
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/singlefocal/normal/af-s_nikkor85mmf_18g/index.htm
and
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/singlefocal/normal/af_85mmf_18d/index.htm
LightRoom: So let's see. We are paying a lot of money for a quality lens. But then for X Y Z excuses we are going to get an inferior lens? EXCUSE ME! What a load of bull! So typical of nowadays! If you are charging a wonderful price for a wonderful lens, I expect your lens to be wonderful.
But no, we should pay for full quality, when manufacturers to save costs move over to cheaper countries with cheaper workforce and lower quality checks, leaving a lot of people unemployed.
But we should understand? Well no, sorry. F U . Not only we don't understand, we don't want to. And we will not.
If a product is sold saying it ill meet certain standards it should. The rest is a load of lame excuses, and if you ask me, a fraud.
Have a nice day!
Yes there are tolerances, but tighter tolerances cost more - more to manufacture, more to inspect, etc. Each company makes decisions on what tolerances are good enough - it's statistical-based analysis. Sometimes the tolerances of lens and camera add up in a bad way. If they do there is nothing keeping the purchaser from sending it in under warranty or sending it in for adjustment on their own dime. Unfortunate, but true.
LightRoom says he pays good $$ for his equipment, but how much more would he be willing to pay to get a 100% perfect lens and body? 2x, 3x, 4x more?
I've had no problems with sending lenses in to Nikon with proven problems and getting them to fix it (however if you just say it's not functioning well w/o any photographic proof they typically won't do much).
It's the same way with cars or any other item composed of many high precisions parts - sometimes you get a bad one.
So if Richard is part of the Seattle crew - now I know what he looks like and perhaps some day I'll be lucky enough to bump into him about town.
BTW - I like the video preview - a short video is worth many paragraphs of description and it's nice to see the hardware in action.
Nice article that confirms what many people who know something about mass-produced items already knew. Nice to see some example data that shows how these things work and what's involved in performing a valid test of lens performance.
jhinkey: Though a nice little article, I was hoping for a far more useful article on "Photography While Traveling" - i.e, you are not traveling to take travel photography images, but rather you want to take great pictures while out on travel/vacation. What to bring, how to shoot, how to travel with photo gear.
How about an article like that dpreview?
If you need someone to write that article contact me.
Thanks for the reply - I may just give it a go since I live just a few miles away from you guys in Seattle.
Though a nice little article, I was hoping for a far more useful article on "Photography While Traveling" - i.e, you are not traveling to take travel photography images, but rather you want to take great pictures while out on travel/vacation. What to bring, how to shoot, how to travel with photo gear.
How about an article like that dpreview?
If you need someone to write that article contact me.
I think the V1 and J1 are fine for their intended audience, it's just that very few of them inhabit dpreview.
Now take this system and build me a V1 that has more external controls, a built-in flash, and some fast zooms and primes and my $$ will not be going to Panasonic or Sony.
Though it may be too late since Nikon is behind, very behind.