mosc: My kids would love this. Too bad you can't print the things yourself on an inkjet printer.
Thanks for the link BeaverTerror. I might just check that out.
electrophoto, I don't think even you would recommend a 6 year old get a tattoo of a cartoon character on their cheek in real ink, would you? Sheesh. Kids don't care if it doesn't look permanent.
mpgxsvcd: Let’s get one thing straight. Dpreview has never given any camera anything less than a Silver award. The only thing that the silver award says is that the camera is not good enough to warrant a Gold award.
At least you get on here and discuss it letting people know you actually read what they have to say. That makes much more of a positive difference around here than any confusion some percentage on the conclusion page could possibly outweigh.
You know I'm all about backing you up DPR guys but posting a page that is THAT long to explain your review system... kind of points to a problem of 'lack of simplicity' doesn't it?
Jason: Come on, DPR. You drooled all over the LX100 with a gimpy version of the same 'struggling' sensor. The GM5 (and GM1) is so much more fun to use with a M43 prime or even the kit zoom than the sluggish LX100. The IQ of the 'struggling' 16MP M43 sensor is stellar for any non-pro purpose.
This review misses point of the GM5 and spends too much time making invalid comparisons. The GM5 may not have the best of everything, but what product does? The conclusion of the review has a negative tone (despite the silver award). The only valid criticisms are the battery life and detached flash.
Accurate conclusion: Given the amazing quality, selection and price of M43 lenses, there is no better camera on the market than the GM5 for its intended purpose.
The LX100 is a great lens. The 12-32 is not in that league. The lens matters more in the total package than the sensor.
So the complaint is the percentage score and the award should be linked. Like silver is 75-80% and gold is 81%+ or something?
The way DPR does percentage scoring is rather dumb to me. The awards are what you want to read, the percentages are not very useful anymore.
Gold means you should seriously consider this camera. Silver means this camera is great but has some flaws and has a more niche appeal for people with specific likes/dislikes. No award means DPR doesn't think it's worth buying for the majority of people who would consider it. Pretty simple, pretty direct.
I can understand a 3 tier system being not accurate enough but the percentage system is not helpful in clarifying within that. I guess that's the complaint? The solution is ignore the percentages.
So the complaint is about Bronze? Because it's the olympic way or something? No Platinum medal is offered either. Or Topaz, you know, if you swing that way.
There are cameras that got no awards. Seems to me there is a rating with no award, a rating with a silver, or a rating with a gold. Sometimes they give silver or a gold to a related product that doesn't really fall into the digital camera mold.
Most recent review that got no award? The Samsung NX mini got a 74% no award this past November.
The Pentax Q7 got a 70%, no award.
The Nikon 1 series has gotten some reviews without awards as well. Most recently the V3. 76% no award in July.
The EOS-M didn't get a finalized review but I think it's clear that they didn't intend to give it an award.
Not just small mirrorless systems either (though DPR is clearly not a fan of ILC <4/3"). The Nikon Df got no award.
I want to know how many physical controls I can fake out on the touch screen. Can I get an aperture slider on the bottom of the screen? Does it not support this type of thing? DPR, you know what I'm asking. Can I control aperture, shutter, and exposure manually at the same time (preferably with auto-ISO). If it's on the touch screen that's still a control point especially considering how small this thing is.
I wish this was compared more closely with the A6000 in terms of size and shooting experience.
My kids would love this. Too bad you can't print the things yourself on an inkjet printer.
Paul B Jones: Replacing good middle class jobs with no pension, no benefits "independent contractor" positions makes a lot of sense - for the handful of millionaires and billionaires. This is why the combined wealth of the richest one percent will overtake that of the other 99% by 2016.
0MitchAG there's this thing called cost of living that may have some SMALL impact on the numbers you just quoted...
Amazingly a loaf of bread has a different price in different parts of the world.
mosc: Biggest thing I'd want is a touch screen... and preferably a brighter zoom at both ends. f1.4 24mm with this sensor in that small a pocket would compete with anything. They should do it.
LX100 lens tech might disagree with you
Biggest thing I'd want is a touch screen... and preferably a brighter zoom at both ends. f1.4 24mm with this sensor in that small a pocket would compete with anything. They should do it.
You made a new 16-50 and it ISN'T a powerzoom pancake? You do realize the A2 is a compact body, right Fuji? Sigh.
McFern: You know, I heard all these jokes and comments when the first program cameras came along, when the first auto focus cameras came along, even when the first digital cameras came along. View cameras don't really change, medium format changes really slow, but this segment is where the cutting edge of tech advances lives. Pros don't spend unnecessary money, enthusiasts drive the market and, therefore, what is available. Im not making any predictions but I won't be surprised anymore. Never is a tricky word that gives a false feeling of control.
I think pro's have the most money to spend and their products are more tailored to them but consumers drive the market. That said, enthusiasts drive consumers. We recommend, discuss, review, and judge a great deal of consumer spending. Some consumers buy the blue one cause they like blue but most check the first few amazon reviews, ask their techie cousin Jen, or consult a consumer review publication. Even the semi-enthusiast at the retail point of sale (rarely % commission) drive consumer spending with a bit of a more knowledgeable background.
Pro's are for brand image. Consumers are 90% of the business, and enthusiasts are 90% of the opinion that matters.
Suave: I admit, it's a really interesting camera, but $1300 for a matching standard zoom is a boatload of money.
They make some of the best APS-C glass ever made and aren't protecting their FF bodies by only selling cheapo lenses for their system. They already have a very nice lineup of reasonably priced lenses (like the 16-50 PZ) that can work in conjunction with their nicer lenses. Samsung's got a great lineup of glass. I don't think they have a body that can match the A6000 for value/flexibility and the A7's sensor is still considerably better thanks to it's size but Samsung is getting more and more competitive with each release and I'm glad they're sticking with APS-C across their line (pretending that 1" ILC nonsense doesn't exist)
They can now make some kind of A6000 beater (smaller) with a nice viewfinder and their 16-50 PZ for <$1000 and take the fight to sony.
mosc: You know, Metabones keeps the truth in the upgrade path for people who are willing to give it a go. Get a speed booster and an E-mount body and you have yourself FF glass utilized on a less expensive body.
Also, COULD you build a teleconverter that would spread a mirrorless APS-C lens over a FF sensor, expand the tele range, and only cost you some aperture? Your standard FF DLSR teleconference goes in between and does not change the flange distance and does expand the image circle...
Canon could do this with the EOS-M. Provide an adapter like the metabones one that utilizes much more of the FF frame. You could take it off and have a mirrorless, put it on and have yourself a cheapo FF glass utilizer. Then when you can afford a FF DSLR, you go that way.
You know, Metabones keeps the truth in the upgrade path for people who are willing to give it a go. Get a speed booster and an E-mount body and you have yourself FF glass utilized on a less expensive body.
"There's also the option to use Auto ISO in manual exposure mode, with exposure compensation (in both stills and movie modes) - one of the requests we passed on, on behalf of our readers."Yay! It's too big and too much money for me but if you would put this in something near pocketable I'd be interested Samsung. Thanks for listening!
mosc: so the A7-II with an f2.0 28mm lens is pretty small and all but it's also very bright and 5-axis stabilized. Am I wrong or is that the largest physical aperture (fstop is a ratio, I'm talking about the physical aperture) stabilized lens seen for 28mm?
Methinks there were some Alpha 35mm lenses that can be used with the IBIS A99 SLT but none that fast at 28mm.
stabilization, one way or another, and autofocus are my criteria.