It's 50% more money than the 610. I don't see it unless I've got some serious glass and want to shoot some sports... in which case I'd prefer the extra $600 for an 810?
D800's are still around for near this price ($2,400 vs $2,300). This is not a good value camera at all.
dennis tennis: Like most threads on DPR, this has degenerated into a spitting contest between 7Dmk2 vs A77mk2 fanboys. "What is it with boys with toys?"
We're not here to compare and contrast new and interesting cameras? Could have fooled me.
Terapixel: I like to see a shoot-out between this A77MarkII, 7DMarkII and NX1.
Like, a bring your best AF and burst rates and fire away kinda shootout. With lots of live, moving, targets. Heh.
dgrogers: Videos are long and boring and there are no sample images from this shoot.
I think samples would be cool too but I disagree that this was long and boring. I think these are really great and talk much more clearly about the usability of the cameras than print could ever do. Great job.
I love the focus on controls and how correctly using some of the new features can require small changes in the way you shoot. That's the most critical stuff to convey over video. This series continues to be great!
And you're pretty good on camera Barney. The self depreciating humor is important when you're going to have so much more technical knowledge on the product than the photographer you're handing it to. Again, well done.
vscd: Haha, you see the full advantage of mirrorless with a lense 3 times bigger than the body. An the vertical grip compensates this in even more size. Yeah. ;)
I think the X-T1 is targeted beyond people who's main concern is size. It competes on image quality and features with anything else in it's price neighborhood whither those choices are built to be small or not. Fuji makes some of the best APS-C lenses around and this is their most capable body so I don't understand why it's out of place here at all.
Some people actually prefer the EVF. This one's got a huge viewfinder, far bigger than would be practical for an APS-C optical finder. Live View's a way of life for a growing percentage of us.
iAPX: I still don't understand how someone could spend so much into a camera and then use a non-calibrated iPhone display on it. Non-sense!
The point of the iphone is for checking focus. Color settings are done in post.
Karen Casebeer: I've been looking forward to this review and it seems mostly excellent. However, I noticed the new 7D2 got an 84% and a Silver Award, but the 70D got 83%, and a Gold award. I'm not sure what the relationship is between percentage and whether a camera body gets a Silver or Gold award.
The 7dm2 should just compare against entry level FF cameras. They're similar in size, weight, and price.
Joe Ogiba: Soft video lacks detail iTR struggles to track fast moving subjects Long screen blackout during live view shooting No AF with continuous shooting in live view No zebras to evaluate exposure No focus peaking No touch screen No Wi-Fiand no 4K.Way to go Canon, the NX1 is going to eat your lunch.
people buy EF mounts. The canon name doesn't mean anything in this class except on the lens and the lens sells the camera.
DPR, I have to say you chickened out a little not putting in a "compared to" section for this. The A77m2 and a 70D might have been a nice two to talk about. The only thing not comparable is the price. I think it would have highlighted what you really get from the 7Dm2 for all those extra dollars.
Jonathan F/2: I don't get what people are complaining about. There's still a huge market for APS-C DSLR shooters. A D7200 with the D750 body would be a killer DX camera if Nikon chose to release it.
The 70D, which is already not cheap at $1000 for APS-C really only lacks the waterproofing to compete head to head with this $1800 behemoth. Value I think is the main complaint with the 7Dm2.
mosc: Ok, I get that this thing is weather proofed, has modern high ISO performance, as good a shutter as you're going to get, and an AF system that's best in class for tracking motion. All that said, it's an $1,800 APS-C camera! Who has that kind of budget and can't afford a FF camera that for not much more money can match most of the 7Dm2's features with about double the sensor area? The Sony A99 is only 10% more money.
I get the "It's pro" stuff, I just don't get who is pro AND APS-C. If you're pro, don't you have enough glass where a few hundred dollars difference in body doesn't mean that much? If so, what are you doing using expensive glass with a smaller sensor? I don't get it.
Then again, if I'm a canon EF glass aficionado already and I really don't want a non-weatherproofed body or one that doesn't naively take EF glass, what choice do I have? I think that's all that this needed. A tougher 70D indeed but seems like needless expense if that was the only goal.
So nvettese, you bought a $1000 70D with a $800 waterproofing/hardening option that added GPS instead of WiFi (cry), a few more cross AF points you'll never use, and reduced the time between captures in burst mode by 43 milliseconds. I'm... not buying the value here.
Ok, I get that this thing is weather proofed, has modern high ISO performance, as good a shutter as you're going to get, and an AF system that's best in class for tracking motion. All that said, it's an $1,800 APS-C camera! Who has that kind of budget and can't afford a FF camera that for not much more money can match most of the 7Dm2's features with about double the sensor area? The Sony A99 is only 10% more money.
Terry Breedlove: Will this technology also help with Dynamic range and noise ?
I think Bjorn's just trolling. I refuse to believe somebody's this dense.
Bjorn_L, it's multiple exposures. You are not following that this increases resolution without increasing noise. Or ISO. Or anything other than movement between exposures and any digital artifacts from stitching.
grasscatcher: Regarding the discussion of frames per second (fps), and whether this technology may be used for handheld photos (or even action photos):
The processors on these cameras are getting faster all of the time. Look at Olympus' closest clone, Panasonic. Their GH4 can extract useable images per each frame from their 4k video. Let's assume you can get a decent image per frame at 30fps. Now, drop down to 1080p and maybe you could get a decent image per frame at 60fps. Go down further to 720p and maybe pick up 120fps.
Granted, the photos and resolutions are getting smaller per shot, but then you recombine them to regain your higher resolution. It is early in the game, and these are rough numbers, but you can kind of see where it is going as we get faster and faster processors manipulating these pixels.
If Oly does this right, you might get 16mpxl photos for action shots, 8mpxl photos for crisp fast-action shots and 40mpxl photos for still life / scenery.
4K 30fps = 248 million pixels a second1080p 60fps = 124 million pixels a second720p 120 fps = 111 million pixels a second40mp at even 5 fps = 200 million pixels a second
Yes, 40mp at considerable burst speeds is a serious amount of pixels to process ignoring the fact that the 40MP is a processing nightmare because of the math involved.
Really, 8 frames of 16mp even if the output is 40mp is basically worse than 128 mp (16x8) straight for the camera to process because it has to do more work. I doubt seriously that the EM5II would give more than 2fps in this mode, probably 1fps.
downsampling helps with dynamic range and noise so yes, through that, increasing resolution WITHOUT changing dynamic range and noise means that for a given resolution the dynamic range and noise are improved.
lakel4444: As a teen, can't decide between the 7d mark ii and the 70d.. help?
How much EF-S glass do you have?
ondrejbobek: Wow, it looks like a great APSC alternative to pro-cameras for birds, nature and sport photographers (or backup body for pros). Maybe only one serious on the market - A77 II is really fast, but precision of AF-tracking is like a 400€ DSLR and Sony lenses vs. new Canons are not comparable, Pentax has no serious lenses for this and Nikon... waits?
PDAF has it's weaknesses. There's real advantage to a hybrid system that can get the accuracy of CDAF with the speed of PDAF. I don't think Canon's phase detection only array is as sharp as a hybrid system even if it's as fast. It's advantage is in tracking only not in AF accuracy. Without changes in focusing distance, I'd go so far as to say the Sony is more accurate than the Canon.
Nobody beats canon at tracking movement.
Giclee1: This is tough! First camera purchase in a looong time. 7DII or 70d? Coming from an incredibly awesome 1dsMkII (an antique according to some on this forum), those two cameras would be a nice change in weight. Go full frame or APS? I would like to hear if anyone has shot both, what they feel like.
My absolute must haves (coming from the 1ds) 1) Dead on AF; 2) excellent RAW images; 3) Fast AF; 4) excellent metering.
I am not a pixel peeper, I shoot, crop, color correct, and publish, I don't dick around with looking for differences in shadow detail, otherwise I wouldn't be able to process almost 18,000 images last year...Thanks!
Do you have a lot of EF glass? If not, I'd look at the NX1 and it's 16-50/50-150 lenses. If you do, I would get a canon FF camera and put it to proper use like nothing else will.
Serious Sam: RAW at ISO 6400, Fuji looks cleaner while the NX1 seems to retain that little bit more detail.
The NX1 has a huge resolution advantage to lose. Downsampling to a comparable resolution is necessary for high ISO comparison.