MacroBokeh: soon there will be Mirrorless Medium Format, very affordable and compact than today's MILC.
Because the mirror mechanism is the expensive part in digital MF systems. Not.
Celsus: Come on Hassy, put out a medium format challenger to the RX1. Put a 50/2 fixed lens with H5D sensor and try your darndest to get all of that in under $5k. I will buy one. If it doesn't try to make the EVF optional for an additional $800...
Forget the $5000, even Pentax charges $8000 for its MF sensor and that comes without a lens (yes, it has a mirrorbox and PD AF) but I doubt Pentax could deliver a $5000 MF fixed-lens camera. And Hasselblad won't be able to be cheaper than Pentax.
BrightTiger: So much for DxO's unbias now that they are a camera manufacturer. Is it really worth it DxO?
No, they don't score any other 'stacked' images but then I don't know any other camera that offers stacked raw files (as in multiple raw captures in one file).
Horshack: " Simple image averaging of four images should lead to a 2 EV increase in noise performance"
Four images would reduce noise in half, equal to 1EV.
The noise would be halved but correspond to a 2 EV higher exposure.
The Silver Nemesis: If this camera was a movie, the trailer should have been: "From the producers of "incontestable" camera and lens benchmarks: DxO presents THE Camera. Fools, be prepared to go bancrupt overnight!"
Yeah, DxO would go bankrupt if they lost all the non-existing revenue from their DxO score website.
keeponkeepingon: 3 front page features on this copy of a sony innovation? Three. It's almost like dpreview has some sort of formal relationship with DXO. Oh wait they do.....
Two articles about the Canon G3x and the Ricoh GR II. OMG, they must be in bed with Canon.Four articles about the Leica Q. OMG, they must really be in bed with Leica.Six articles about three new Sony products, where two of the products where just sensor updates. OMG, they definitely must be in bed with Sony.
I have a really hard time figuring out whether you guys have just lost all sense of reality, just like to make preposterous statements because it makes you feel good, or your reality (ie, how you act in real life) conforms to your accusations.
John Laroque: How in the world are we ever going to trust DXO mark scores ever again now that DXO is making hardware? What a sad day in the camera world, I hope someone picks up where DXO left of here in the benchmark aspect.
All that DxO measures with sensors can easily be corroborated by third parties. There is no chance they would start cheating because they would be found out quickly.
Ribbit74: Based on the picture, it looks like the camera needs to sit flush against the lightning connector on the phone. Meaning it isn't going to fit if you have ANY sort of case on your phone. That's a major design fail. Even my Seek Thermal camera has enough of a protrusion to at least work with Apple's own cases.
Yes, but sitting flush gives it significant extra stability.
Oh yeah, their revenues from people looking up sensor and lens test results on their site is going to plummet from zero down to zero after this announcement.
maxnimo: Unfortunately that 28mm lens is way too limiting for me. If it was 50mm I'd maybe consider it.
My memory goes back to the likes of the Olympus 35 RC and the Yashica Partner. The 35 RC was introduced in 1970 and had a 42 mm lens, the Yashica started service in 1983 and had a 38 mm lens. Searching further back, I find the Yashica YK from 1959 which did have a 45 mm lens.
But I am hard pressed to find any more recent fixed lens film camera with a 45 or 50 mm lens. From the 1980s onwards, most seemed to have standardised to 35 mm with some wider showing like the Nikon 28 Ti, numerous Ricoh GR-ish models with equally 28 mm and even a 21 mm lens.
InTheMist: Well said Barney!
Pretty much my feelings put in words. You should be an editor or something.
Anyway, I'm still not sure how I feel about that 28mm lens. I actually like how they implemented it* but I'm a bit mixed on having only 14 MP at a 35mm crop.
*if I understood right, frame lines only, cropped in Lightroom, where you can adjust it later. It's consistent with the Leica philosophy of seeing what's entering the frame through the viewfinder. Have I understood right?
A diagonal that is half as large means an area that is only 25% as large.
happycyclist: Huh....I rather like the Leica T. I thought it was great when I had it for a week. I really like the X2 and the X too. Oh well.
This camera looks good to me and has all the external controls that are important. Design wise, I think it is a winner. Not sure on the fixed 28mm though...I do like to shoot using one wide, 28mm will do, and one short tele...like in the 75-80mm range. That's my ideal "kit."
But frankly, I tend to think all digital cameras coming from Leica are just too expensive. If I were to think about purchasing one today I would have a hard time plunking down the scratch for their digital cameras. For the price of this camera, I can get a lot of different things that I would much rather have, like a killer mountain bike...so, I won't be a customer of such. I'm not really their market though, because I'm not a rich person.
Leica is a boutique manufacturer, somewhat like Aston Martin. Their prices are high because they sell so few of them. The M models sells in the 20'000 combined units per year range.
You might argue that their prices are so high because they are able to charge such high prices. But the flip side of this is that are still in business because they are able to charge such high prices.
How many fixed-lens cameras with a 50 mm (or 50 mm equivalent) have ever existed? I can only think of the Sigma DP line (and even there is wasn't a 50 mm version instead of WA version but a 50 mm version in addition and after a WA version.
I think this reflects what kind of (relative) demand exists for fixed lens 50 mm cameras.
InTheMist: If it were a 35mm, I would buy it instantly.
28mm, despite crop mode - not so much.
Maybe the 28 vs 35 mm is split 2:1 in favour of 35 mm, maybe it is split 1:1. Ricoh and Nikon have chosen 28 mm. Fuji, Sony and Leica each had a 35 mm line. Now Leica added an 28 mm product. So on the offer side, it is 3 vs 3.
However in FF arena there was only a 35 mm line so far, most people interested in a 35 mm FF fixed lens camera probably got the Sony already. Thus offering a slightly different product seems a good product market decision.
DenWil: Wish it came with the 90 f2 installed. Wide is useless to me.
The big question is how would Leica price an interchangeable version of the Q? Right know, the M plus a 28 mm f/2 (ie, half a stop slower) costs $10'000. Would it be possible to price an interchangeable version of the Q (with a 28 mm f/2-ish lens) at $10'000 as well? And if the interchangeable version (plus similar lens) did cost only $5000, how could they keep selling the M bodies and lenses at twice the cost of such a potential 'Q' system?
nikkornikon: Wow...DP is going to review a Leica? What's Wrong with DP.
It's the first Leica that is only 30% more expensive than the most direct competition.
Jim Evidon: Leica is steadily breaking away from Panasonic for their small camera line. They are going for very high quality cameras to satisfy every need; from completely manual M's to automatic fixed prime lens Q's. I'll stick with my M9P with a Fuji X100 backup for now, but the Q looks like an ideal small street shooter/travelcamera as long as price is no object. This camera is getting back to the original Barnack concept; a small carry around camera with few complications. Keep it up!
You can see it as a breaking away from Panasonic or as merely filling something in between the small(ish) sensor Panasonic rebrands and the M and S lines. It all started with the X1 six years ago.
Pandimonium: Stacked means like foveon I suppose? and a new BSI cmos for FF. I'd like to see the studio shots for these instead of a Leica ;). Suppose we'l see a RX2 soon too.
As much as I remember, this 'stacking' makes the image sensing part flatter and increases acceptance angles which helps with optical performance wide open and off-centre.
Petrogel: Das ist eine teure nutzlos roten Punkt !!!
WoodWorks: Oh for God's sake...Güt?! Do you think umlauts are cute or something? Stüpid!
Or rather: Hop Wallis!