"The Pentax produces strong JPEGs, though the color response isn't to everybody's taste. The Raw output is excellent, though."
Hi DPR staff!
Does that mean the JPEG's are less good and they can NOT be improved with in-camera settings? Is that the message here? Although that might not be your intention, it seems to suggest that.
If the JPEG's CAN be improved in-camera, is that possible? What would be some suggested settings to do that for starters?
Does DPR test default settings only for a reason? If JPEG's are adjustable, why would DPR seem to make it look/sound worse than it is? Why not say with each review "Hey, look, you can make it better, just do a few quick things here..."
I would like it if you could make your website (which I really like btw) even more user friendly. :-)
Hi Dpreview Staff,
What differences and similarity if any to the Flu Card that will be used in the Pentax K3. Thanks as always.
Madaboutpix: Gee, some of the commentators are really quick to jump to conclusions. Let's hold our fire for a moment and consider what we're getting here.
From the file sizes, similar to what my K-7 would give me in RAW, it is pretty clear that the posted shots are straight out-of-the-camera JPEGs. Well, those have been fairly unimpressive from any Pentax DSLR in recent memory, because these cameras simply don't have a particularly strong JPEG engine. But you don't buy a €1000+ DSLR for shooting nothing but casual JPEGs, do you? Switch to RAW, hone your technique, do some basic post-processing, and your photographs will pop.
Second, the lenses used, one pro-level fast-aperture, the other one consumer-grade but superzoom, while being no slouches, are certainly not the best Pentax has to offer. Both are sharp in the centre, but can be somewhat soft in the corners, especially when used wide open, as they were in many of the samples.
Do the samples prove that the K-3 sucks? Emphatically no.
The pentax jpeg engine shines up nicely: http://visualsciencelab.blogspot.fr/2013/11/a-fun-assignment-and-tale-of-three.html
Conjure: The 18-135 is a very good zoom lens (at least from 25mm to 100mm) but it is not as sharp as a prime lens. As far as I know the test shots for the review will be taken with a sharp prime lens (DFA 50 macro?). And because Pentax/Recoh usualy includes some improvements (WB, AF) in the firmware updates, I have no problem to wait for the final review until the first firmware update.
The reds were the only weak point of my K-5. (If you know it you decrease the exposure to correct it in PP). It is still not perfect with the K-3 but it seems to be much better:http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/photos/2745065/imgp0387?inalbum=pentax-k-3-samples-gallery
IMO the selection of the real-world samples is quite OK. The detail of some photos is really impressive: http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/photos/2744933/imgp0422?inalbum=pentax-k-3-samples-gallery
Hi Conjure,I merely wished to comment to the general flow of JPEG questions on the forum, sorry to use yours... it wasn't meant to be personal by any means.Cheers.
Read about the JPEG engine in the K50, shared among the other Pentax cameras. I guess he's saying, about as good as it gets.
DPreview almost certainly are using (user adjustable) in-camera JPEG pre-sets from the Pentax Factory.
DPreview and most other sites, test in a 'standardized' way (by leaving adjustable in camera tuning alone as received out of the box from factory) i.e. they don't tune the camera to get the best JPEG performance possible.
Hope that helps. I write this for those that may be unaware how DPreview and other sites tend to 'test' cameras. Thankfully, Pentax JPEG's settings are quite malleable for the artist to pick what he or she needs and wants to do.
Summarizing: You're simply looking at some factory pre-set, untuned JPEG's. They can be taken to your liking, and with a few settings adjust to your particular taste if you will. Not unlike adjusting the seat in your car and mirrors to you're body's fit before you drive that new ride home. Thanks and Best Wishes.
That has to do with the factory JPEG setting only. It's simple to adjust the in-camera-JPEG parameters to your specific needs. A problem with the camera and Red colors? not it's a particular factory setting for that. Most people don't realize this. It's the way review sites test a camera from it's factory setting. They don't adjust the camera to get the best out of it, strangely. You may know this however, so not to blame anyone. Thank You.
"The reds were the only weak point of my K-5. (If you know it you decrease the exposure to correct it in PP). It is still not perfect with the K-3 but it seems to be much better"
SungiBr: I would like a bit more reach on wide end, say 18-40, and it would be a much better range.But looking at all weird focal lenghts of the Limited line, 20-40 make some sense though... :P
But, despite that, the price, IMHO, is quite low for a Limited lens. I bought the FA 31mm for about the same price.
Really glad Ricoh is putting Pentax brand up in evidence, and keep investing on it.
Re: "SungiBr - Really glad Ricoh is putting Pentax brand up in evidence, and keep investing on it."
By all accounts, we'll be seeing new lenses coming regularly in near future... Ricoh is in the flow :-)
KL Matt: Will its image circle cover a full frame sensor? I'm kind of excited to find out. Not only because of this lens, but because of what it may or may not reveal about Ricoh's next move.
"Re: KL Matt Will its image circle cover a full frame sensor?"
I don't believe so, but I hope It does just the same ;-)
Maybe DXO borrowed some pointers from Pentax ;-)
MrPetkus: As a long time Pentax user, the specs look great! The comment that the AF wasn't as good as hoped caught my eye in the first impression review. Continuous tracking AF has been a weak point compared to other semi-pro DSLRs. It'd be nice if the K3 at least matched the performance of the aged D300s. We'll see. At any rate, I've completely stopped investing in Pentax and not because of FF. As a system Pentax is limited by both an antique flash system and lenses. Venturing to incur fanboy wrath, I'm not impressed by a DA limited lens refresh with HD coatings for a 20% price increase. Nor am I confident how their old lens designs will fare with a 24mp sensor. There is a lot of lost ground to cover and hopefully Ricoh can churn out these much needed updates in short order.
I'm curious about this comment by JKeller re AF speed, in a pre-production version no less. Perhaps this really won't be more clearly seen until at least 1 or 2 FW updates, as Pentax will surely fine tune the camera. I'm anticipating that Pentax will get to this finetuning right away rather than later though.
K5II/IIs are more than enough for 16x20. This fellow wanted a more compact system than his 5DII and switched to K5 and K5II for DSLR: http://www.boxedlight.com/K5IIS/ - he shoots two systems now I believe. Most Pentax watchers are pretty interested in the new K3. Stay tuned.
K5II/IIs are more than enough for 16x20. This fellow wanted a more compact system than his 5DII and switched to K5 and K5II for DSLR: http://www.boxedlight.com/K5IIS/, he shoots two systems now I believe. Most Pentax watchers are pretty interested in the new K3. Stay tuned.
babygirl2012: Looking to replace my Canon 5D Mark ll and getting more and more confused as to what newer model I want to venture to next.I mostly like landscape, macro, and the occasional portraits and candids.I would like to be able to blow up my images to at least a 16x20 minimum.I was considering a fujifilm x pro1 or a sony a99 both have good and bad, as there is no perfect camera.But wondering if a full frame is really what I need. What I really just want is just clear vibrant photos i don't care about video in any way, I want a camera that is dedicated just to photos, are there any still out there??!!????
Arguably, the more creative image of the bunch.Thanks
Pentax K3, looking better and better.Worthwhile consideration when shopping up a camera.
I'm sure the new 70 will be a bang up camera too. :-)
Bjorn_L: Impressive specifications except for the battery capacity and the alluded to sub-par for class focus speed.
The problem I see is most of the features are designed to make for a more impressive specification sheet rather then a better DSLR.
I understand it is necessary to check certain boxes in your spec sheet to keep up with the Jones-es, but I have been more impressed with the blistering frames per second if the AF speed was equally fast. I am more concerned about getting 1 shot in perfect focus quickly then getting 8.3 shots in poor focus. If the AF module is not top-shelf, then such a fast burst rate is of not much use since tracking is not going to be faster then the AF unit.500 shots per battery is really poor for a DSLR. Worse then entry level cameras let the alone the high competitors to the k3.
That said, I am happy Pentax continues to offer their take on what a useful camera looks like. I wish everyone would offer low price weather sealed lenses (for example)
All that amazing processing power along with the many new functions doesn't exactly come free either.
theoschela: Facebook is Free. Because of that clever idea - the masses joined. 600+ million users casually giving up privacy and information because it connected friends.
I think I read that the new terms still respect our privacy settings but whatever is set to 'Public' - its fair game for FB to use...
I made a FB Page and has the effort and promotion paid off?Undecided. FB Pages are 'Public' with no privacy settings.
Useful to read "Q: Can’t I Protect Myself By Making My Profile Private?" http://asmp.org/fb-tos#.UioaJ2RgZN2
Thank you for an impressive review.
Questions: What is the call quality for this phone and what types of phone networks are/will be compatible?