xfoto: "It appears that the EOS M2 won't be sold in either the European or US markets."
Oh what a huge blow
Canon is pretty knowledgable and confident company. The EOSM is well received in Japan vs the western countries. I bet the EU and the US folks will still complain even after releasing M2. They may choose to release the M2 later or might release an entire new product. The MISC for canon is an experimental market. They have the luxury to play around... Advantage of entering the market late. EOSM is a good concept especially with the capability to seamlessly fully integrate with EF/EFS lens via adaptor, EOS SPEEDLITE flash. Something that other make don't have in full. canon is taking care of canon dslr users, offering them the misc experience and retaining their lens business.
StevenE: It's not small enough to be more convenient than my 5DIII, and if you want any shallow DOF you need at least an f/1.4 lens. Aperture f/2.8 is often sufficient on the FF, which can be beautifully thin at f/1.4.
So what use does this m4/3 serve? I would still have to bring the FF to get shallow DOF and low light performance, and I still don't get compact size. I could see m4/3 IF the package was pocketable, but I'd probably still head to the Sony A7, or one of the Fuji APS-C cameras for that.
Can't see the purpose in this one.
A lot of you'll keep going back to scientific test to determine the camera capability but I can't get a m4/3 produce as good image as FF especially in low light shots w/o heavy lightning assistance. I have the EM1/EM5 and a 6D. The EM1 AF is superb but what good is it in low light shots. at times the 6D images at 12K ISO is still useful. It's a fit for purpose issue and m4/3 is a compromise for portability.
N13L5: When you are a backpacker, you're always looking for smaller and lighter, without compromising sensor size too much.
This might just replace my Nex 5 for traveling, with the Nex remaining mounted on a long metal arm at my house.
bubububut...NEX lens system is not the same size as m4/3 variants
Jeff Peterman: It could be that they just threw a cloth over an SL1 to take the shot as an illustration and it has nothing to do with the actual camera that will be announced. I would not put much importance on this image.
Dpreview jumped the gun and associated it with SL1... probably spoiling Canon's plan.
Almeida: If it was Olympus, it would be cool.If it was Samsung, it would be ordinary.If it was Sony, it would be bold.If it was Pentax, it would be old news.If it was Hasselblad, it would be tasteless.
But since it's a white Canon, then it's junk.
I've 3 gen of Olympus (EPL1, EP3 and OMD). Oly M4/3 only got properly recognised as 'good' after they released OMD. You should try the all the Oly M4/3 prior OMD before saying " it's a white Canon, then it's junk". The Oly cameras were slow and crappy in low light... definitely not cool.
KW Phua: The problem for most Japanese are not admit mistake and move on from there. I work in Japanese Companies before. They always try to cover up. Canon may have improved. Hope they really change.
"The problem for most Japanese are not admit mistake" statement is a direct insult to a nation. You sound racist. Not sure what's Dpreview policy is on this?
Not sure which Japanese company you worked for the one I worked never did like what you say. Don't specifically insult a nation because of some companies did some wrong.Here in Australia we see Japanese car companies publicly announce car recall in TV but companies like VW (which includes some Audi) withheld info or denied that their cars had issues to the point where people died in accident. They finally admitted to the problem and called most of their cars for rectification after users threaten for class action law suite. Now, can we claim that Germans are bad because of one or two companies’ mistakes?If you don’t like Japanese product then don’t buy it… try Leica or other non-Japanese cameras.
tjbates: Everywhere else - this camera is a slam dunk. Strange that DPR thinks differently. The GH3 almost suffered the same fate. It was only for it's "video capabilities" that GH3 reluctantly gained the Gold award.Looks like anything in this bracket is and will be compared to the OMD-EM5 from now on and for evermore. Fair enough, but the viewfinder eye cup will not fall off the GX7, the flash doesn't require two pieces of plastic to be removed and a separate flash installed, the menu layout on the GX7 doesn't require a diploma in frustration and the button layout and grip allows for one handed "eye-to-viewfinder" use- unlike the OMD-EM5.I say this as a GH2 user and someone thinking of getting an OMD-EM5 if only for the fact that I've now got a fantastic collection of Olympus prime lenses. That said - the GX7 looks so much better on paper. It even shoots 25p video! I know the GX7 viewfinder is suspect but it's still so much better than the GH3 and OMD-EM5. IMHO.
I think people are upset that Dpreview didn't give a GOLD award. I think it's not all about the points that determine the gold awards... similar confusion with Canon 6D 83% (Silver award)
oldfogey: An undocumented but very useful feature of my old EPL-1 was the on body flash that can be tilted into a vertical (bounce) orientation with a little pressure from a forefinger. Unfortunately that capability disappeared from later editions of Oly cameras - so the "deer in the headlights" direct flash option is the only choice with Oly's newer m4/3 bundled flash units. It looks a little as though the Panasonic GX7 unit might be able to do the EPL-1 bounce flash trick. Could DPR or any of you GX7 owners out there comment on this?
I used to own EPL1 but I bought a Oly 36 Flash to do bounce effect. The small flash in the EPL1 was useless for that effect. The point is, if you shots are heavyly dependant on flash effects, you're going to use a proper flash.
1042 comments... hope Nikon releases this camera soon for the asking price or all these traffic in DPR website would have been wasted effort.
stefanosensolini: Nikon begin in photography making copies of Contax cameras, adopting theyr optical coupling tooand Canon making copies of Leica Cameras, optical coupling too; not so glorious or not?after all they were from Japan, not Germany, and Japanese at that time were famous for copy not create.They did it so well that they at the end replaced the originals.
Not everything that come from Japan are copies... please be mindful. Every precise instruments or equipments produced for any industry has some parts R&D and produced in Japan. Even the famous Swiss watches are using Japan move nowadays. Imagine the world without the Japanese product!
Raymond Cho: would not a die hard fan just shoot film film and lab services are readily available in cities plus b/w processing is easy, got my first one done without issues just a few months back. it's like getting a mustang and put in a electric engine with builtin satnav and complaining that it doesn't have auto wipers or it may well have that too .. that may be $3,000 per product cycle into film and lab cost.
Riding a HD is trilling...Hmm. Guess what do they use in MotoGP, HD or Yamaha? HD is like 80% marketing and 20% R&D where else Yamaha is the other way round. It's about the results not the marketing hype.
Vignes: The retro styling hype is more saturated now; it’s become of a ‘me to’ thing. When Olympus introduces the OMD first, that was a great marketing hype but now every other maker has followed with the recent entry like Sony A7. Sony entry is funny because they never made SLR cameras in the 60s and 70s, so there is nothing original about a retro styled Sony DSLR. But Olympus, Nikon, Canon cameras did existed then.
I know that, I used to own Minolta SLR but the Minolta flare is no longer there.
The retro styling hype is more saturated now; it’s become of a ‘me to’ thing. When Olympus introduces the OMD first, that was a great marketing hype but now every other maker has followed with the recent entry like Sony A7. Sony entry is funny because they never made SLR cameras in the 60s and 70s, so there is nothing original about a retro styled Sony DSLR. But Olympus, Nikon, Canon cameras did existed then.
OldZorki: 370 posts on camera without yet known specs or even clean images of the camera. Nikon marketing is doing something right for sure.
Good marketing if the comments are more positive!
Sorry, I mean there is nothing in this camera in which I am remotely interested. Your mileage may differ.
Not interested, then why bother writing?
What Sony should do is release this camera first as premium and milk the status conscious rich than release the A7. this is what Toyota does with Lexus.
JeffreyG: Panasonic's global site show two kit lenses. Does anyone know if the new 20mm lens is going to be offered as a kit purchase.
it's offered by Panasonic Australia as one of the kit option. not sure if other countries has similar kit options: The body/20mm lens kit only comes in silver version where else the body/Leica DG Summilux 25mm/F1.4 ASPH kit option comes in black.
clicker4life: How does the "70D" hold up in low light?. Some say the 5d is top dog. Or u s it the Nik 7100?
The 6D would be a better option for low light/High ISO shots. It's primarily advantage is that and it's cost effective. The center cross-type AF point with EV -3 sensitivity is helpful. Not for sport or dynamic movement type shots but for static shot, it's really good.
PicOne: Might this mean that DPR will wake up a bit and perhaps attempt a review of a Merrill compact?
Most of the cameras nowadays are made in China.