Lin Evans: They probably couldn't catch Sony or even Nikon (with the 1 series) if they really tried. This camera is overpriced, has mediocre autofocus and too many competitors with substantial headstarts. If Canon wants to seriously play in this market they need to go back to their CAD systems and redesign something truly innovative and competitive IMHO..
sorry, I played with the J1 and the low light (hi ISO) performance was poor. Not sure all Nikon lens AF worked (with all lens comms data) via the adaptor plus the adaptor was costly. The EOS M EF lens adaptor was not costly and all EF lens (with lens data) worked. The lens data provides in camera lens correction for jpeg shots. Can Nikon 1 do this with all Nikon lens? The Nikon 1 system AF system was good but not great in low light. than the format the CX format has limitation against larger formats. look I have played with EM5, EM1, EOS M, a6000, XE2. there is no way, I'll ever consider the 1 system. But it's your choice but try the other systems before discrediting.Not sure with your point about not able to capture wildlife with pro level Canon and Nikon. which pro camera and lens combo is that?
IvanM: Who still uses Canon today? Can one still take a passable photo with a Canon? Are Canon's being dumped for Sony's by the Pros? How Bad is the DR really?
Here is a breakdown of the cameras and lenses used by the winners of the World Press Photo Awards: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=25150.15
I think the results says it all....
Well, you can say Nikon and Oly are using Sony sensor. So all that success for Nikon came from using Sony sensors.
ThePhilips: Oly shouldn't have left out the PDAF from the E-M5 mk2...
EM1 (with PDAF) was always marketed as a bridge between their legacy 43 lens and m43 system. Also, EM1 suppose to be their premium product and if EM5 II has every features than it defeats the purpose of EM1. Of course it's technically possible but it won't be a good marketing decision.
Paul B Jones: Best selling camera at B&H
Ranked on top of other cheaper APS-C ILC and MILC. Canon must be doing something wrong here...
kelleym: So I understand this is sort of comparing apples to oranges... but only "sort of", given how much in common they share. What this review is missing is a discussion about the 70D versus this camera.
Yeah, 7D blows away the 70D in terms of stills, but what about video? It appears to be missing the touch screen, has more modes (but the slow motion modes are somewhat crippled by not using Dual AF) but what about video quality? Is the 70D and 7D about the same? If I want to buy based on video quality is it worth spending the extra $$$ for the 7D?
Anyone have any thoughts about this?
I have the 7D2 but I think the 70D is more of a jack of all trades one. A comparison without going in to the details puts the 70D as a higher value option than 7D2. Yes 7D2 has some more video mode but the people whom are going to buy it are not going to buy it for that.
art99: Where is the 4K in this camera? a new model without the 4K? You gotta be kidding'
I'm a long time Oly user and I don't expect 4K feature in this camera. Video is not Oly strength but they make good Still camera. Anyway, i can appreciate the request since this camera is suppose to be 'jack of all trades' camera. Not sure why 7D2, 5DS/R is referenced. These are speciality camera and Canon clearly is marketing them as such. Now including a 4K in these professional use body means, Canon must make sure it works properly which require more development and testing cost. People like us will most likely vent our frustration in forums like this when ever our camera doesn't perform but big org/professional may take companies like Canon to court if the product under performs. Playing in the pro arena has higher liability and reputation impact/risk. Companies tend to be more conservative.
You're joking about Nikon 1 right?
utpalsaha: We want Mirror-less, Canon !
what's silly and what's not? if you don't like to have a flapping mirror in your camera. it's your choice. But market dictates what it's wants more. Canon sells more ILC and it's DSLR with flapping mirrors. trying proofing otherwise.
En trance... you raised about mirror-less I'm responding on that subject. A lot of people who jumped on mirror less band wagon don't know that modern day DSLR has this feature. How is Canon refusing to change when majority of people opting for ILC wants DSLR. Look at the market share. They give the M3 for those small market. surprise... surprise the EOS M did well in Japan and Asian countries. Canon is a leader in ILC and they play a waiting game to see what's panning out in the MILC world. Can't blame them because there is too many formats/mount like m43, APS-C, FF, Nikon 1 etc. Also design like EVF/no EVF, touchscreen, range finder/DSLR look etc. As you can see the DSLR design is preferred for the pro ones e.g. GH4, EM1, NX1, A7. this are not tiny cameras. I have a feeling the actual pro MILC will look like 5D or 1D in the future.
AbrasiveReducer: "but at least it isn't a step backwards." That's a gold award right there. But maybe these super high mp cameras really are a step backwards? In practical terms, you pay a premium. In exchange, you need to worry more about camera vibration, possible moire and lenses that were fantastic may no longer be, or even require upgrading. And don't forget to spend more computer power and bigger HDs.
An awful lot people buy and use cameras primarily for fun (despite what they say.) And this doesn't sound like that much fun.
Duckshots... you got to be specific on which L lens. Not all L lens are top notch.
Photomino: Canon apparently made a marketing decision not to cannibalize on it's very popular series Rebel, nD and similar, ending up making a downgraded basic camera even if improved compared to their first attempts. Other companies are not shy and are making mirrorless cameras in many (most) aspects superior to the M3. By the way - what a name for such a mediocre product. The competitors will not hold back their better cameras. Many here are pleased, that they can use this for a backup of their normal Canon equipment, but Canon are apparently afraid to make a really good camera, that could compete with their own DSLRs. (You can also use a Nex just as compatible with your Canon DSLR lenses.) Canon does still not look serious in the mirrorless market and that is a shame for a (former?) leader in digital photography equipment.
Sony cameras doesn't the EF lens data for in camera lens correction compared with EOS M
Peter62: I am abolutely NOT impressed.
It seems to me, that the great XF 18-55 WITH(!) OIS is the better choice!
the XF 18-55 is a gem
AndyGM: Not selling the M3 in America makes perfect sense.
At the moment, Americans as a nation don't like CSCs. The various theories of why they prefer DSLRs have been debated many a time on DPR and other sites. Here are a few... CSCs are too small and fiddly. DSLRs are larger, but at the same time cheaper so seem better value for money ("more" for less). Canikon have retail locations locked up tighter than a Nuns front bottom. CSCs are too discrete, so you can't show how much money you spent (cognitive dissonance with the second reason I know). American culture is advert saturated, so they only buy what someone tells them to. "Proper" photographers only use big cameras so if you aspire to be a proper photographer, you must buy a big camera.
Of course, due to their retail site lock in, Canikon could promote their CSCs in the US, raise awareness and show off the benefits of CSC designs. And I'm sure they are scared to do this, because it would raise awareness of all CSC systems, and opens the door to those "we're not playing the DSLR game any more" competitors to steal market share. You say Canon needs to make a Leica M for people who can afford Leica prices, but they are too late. Fuji already did.
Yes... not sub-par and the cheapest.
Old Baldy: As an ex Canon shooter, who learned what little I know about photography, on Canon products (20D, 50D, 5D, etc).....but who has switched to Sony NEX and now A7ii, I am surprised at how little excitement I feel about these new Canons.
It all just feels so....old school....to me, to see these huge, heavy, DSLR bodies with little real benefit for a stills/landscapes/street/travel photographer like me, and some quite significant disadvantages of all that size and mass.
I've no doubt these will be fine products. Just a little bit irrelevant for me, and, I suspect, for many others who have also switched to the smaller form factor of the mirrorless world.
Entrance... you still didn't answer my question. The fact remains the same. People think that mirror less work differently from DSLR with LV but it's not. A DSLR with LV gives you best of both worlds – OVF/SLR and mirror less with on sensor AF. It’s slow because the on sensor AF is based on contrast detect. The only thing Canon needs to do is use their EOS-M3 sensor architecture which has on sensor phase and contrast detect AF into their 750/760 and you have a faster LV AF utilising EF/EFS lens. They are actually more complete than most people think. I won’t be surprise that their next/future DSLR would be a hybrid system with hybrid OVF/EVF. Another issue is the size argument for MILC no longer stands, have you seen the current pro MILC like NX1… tell you what it’s not small and it looks like a DSLR with a LCD on the top. It’s clear that DSLR ergo is the defacto standard for pro user.
En Trance what's the difference. both will do on sensor AF and you can adjust the setting to see real time feedback on the picture. Video works the same. Hidden/no mirror is the same. the plus point with the hidden-mirror/DSLR is you can use the OVF if you chose to but lose LV. with mirror-less you'll have an EVF option. but other than this what's the difference btw hidden/locked up mirror vs. mirror-less?
Dirk Nuary: Sony A6000 is still the champion in this range.
MILC comes in many variance (formats/mounts EVF/no EVF). which range are you referring to? MILC APS-C with EVF, touchscreen etc. You got to be specific. when you say champ, how do you measure that... e.g. sales numbers?
Markintosh: The author probably never had and used EOS-M:) This is the main mistake to look on this small camera as on closed-circle eco-system. This is not Oly, Panasonic, Sony or Fuji — companies who dedicate their entire production to mirrorless cameras and lenses. Stop looking on four native M lenses — with adapter you have access to a tons of fantastic Canon glass and third party lenses. If you need small speedy camera — you have SL1 with real viewfinder and all advantages of DSLR in very compact package. EOS-M is great little camera with amazing IQ and ability ti use same lenses as my 5D. M3 is fantastic improvement of original M, and it's a shame it will not be available in retailers in NA. But there is always online shopping:)))
Also, very nice to see so many comments on such a "bad" product, and so much attention from other brands advocates.
T3, that was what A7 users were telling themselves that they can always use an EF lens via adaptors every time a lens argument came. You should also follow the FE lens forum here on the argument on how to hold a small camera with big lens.
use live view function
jukeboxjohnnie: or you can just go buy a canon 6d at a bargain price now.....
2PK have you used a 6D... it blow the K3 especially on those high ISO, low light shot. It's use by many Canon events people doing wedding, portrait, astro guys etc. Don't under estimate.