Smeggypants: It's not smartphones, but the iPhone. ?????? I thought an iPhone was a smartphone?
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Apple like to differentiate but iPhone is a smartphone. Camera quality is not iPhones best qualities.
Donnie G: BR optics are another game changing technology that will make Canon EF L-series lenses even more desirable than they already are. Who knew that Canon could come up with a material that's better than fluorite at focusing light to the same focal point? Now this is innovation that matters. :))
Well said, I see lots of folks talking about sensor while I know that there are many whom are using canon dslr as professional making a living out of their camera. Canon sensor seems ok to many and most say the canon colour is good. Talk to the guys who does events where colour variance, skin tones reproduction is key.
Paul B Jones: The 7DII is a great, great camera. DPR showed its "toys for boys" colourful candy bias when it scored the camera low. Next time how about throwing actual field photographers a bone when reviewing stuff, DPR?
Canon 7d2 sensor on high ISO is comparable or better than SONY crop sensor. Only the Nikon 7100 which uses a Toshiba sensor matches.DXO worshipers can do the comparison. >400 ISO
bovverwonder: Overheating issues in 4K mode?
Ethan... Not sure where did you hear that. The point is every features needs to function fully not half baked performance. It's like Sony is actually aiming for spec sheet warriors not field warriors.
Cool pix firmware gets DPR attention and 7d2 firmware upgrade to 1.0.4 didn't.
sportyaccordy: How is the dynamic range....
Canon lacks is on the lower ISO. this is what everyone is complaining about. They do well on higher iso. But there are no other sensor available to compare with this, DR on this ISO is ??? what's the benchmark?
Class A: Great rendering! Another winner for Sigma.
rendering is combination which also depends on camera.
Yudi Hilmawan: When I spend a lot of money to buy a fixed lens camera it needs to be all around performer.
I prefer RX10 II than any other bridge camera on the market because it has 4K with Full pixel readout XAVC Codec at 100Mbps, High quality Full HD @120fps even better than most other camera with bigger sensor, HFR and picture profile like S-Log function.That is why for me RX10 II is the best Bridge Camera at least for now.
BarnET... no camera at this playing field holds value. I bought an a6000 with 2 lens kit for AUD$597 from a local shop. that's nearly 60% off. A6000 is much more favoured than EOSM.moot point.The only MILC that seems to be holding decent price point is Fuji but some of the Fuji X range are considered high end MILC...
Barry Goyette: Let's put this plainly. There isn't a print process in the world that can reproduce more than 7 stops of DR. The vast majority of electronic displays reproduce about the same amount. (The coming hdr displays will change this, true). Whether you are dealing with 10, 12, 15, or 19 stops of captured DR, any excess will need to be compressed into a smaller range or simply thrown away. The more you compress thru the mid-tones the worse it looks...and so the more DR you have to compress...well let's just say it's not adding anything to final image quality. Both canon and Nikon produce profiles that display 7-8 stops of dr withe the remaining range buried in compressed highlights and shadows. This provides a generally optimal look in most situations, as it matches the output capabilities of the vast majority of devices. Just because you can pull more of that range into the middle on a Nikon/Sony.. does not make the final image look more realistic.
continue...DPR spends a lot of time to prove DXO results like DR, why? I think they are incapable of finding out more about a camera purpose because they simply have limited imagination. Art is very subjective and hard to appreciate a review done on a tool used for art by those lacking on it.
Barry, Rishi/DPR thinks camera from technology point but misses that there is the art part of photography There are no measurements or limit with the art part and the only limit is the photographers’ imagination limits. You can see it from how DPR guys frame/take their sample shots. What they miss is the objective part in their assessment… why do I need this camera? I also saw the same done for the 7D2 where they used a wideangle lens and shot at 100ISO and proved that the D7000 has better DR than 7D2, which everybody already knew. Knowledgeable people will know all these and these cameras are quite complex and targeted for knowledgeable people. After reading their review where I didn’t get my info, I actually went to the dealer, loan a 7D2 and played with it. I spend time reading real users experience and finally bought one. It took me several months to master the 7D2 and I don’t do a leaving on photography. It’s not a camera for wideangle shots; it’s a telephoto gear…in simple sense.
Thuravi Kumaaran: Great improvement in DR - if things go like this Canon will surpass Sony, in sensor DR in which they were lagging.
Another key board warrior without a real name who is Just a Photographer who don't dislike Canon but you can continue to to criticise. You tend to forget you opinion is yours and others are theirs. Everybody has their own. Don't insult peoples intelligent and interest just because yours differs... without knowing who they are.
Photato: I think I will die before Sony or Canon put a simple Intervalometer function in their cameras.Anyways if the pixels were larger like in a 8MP for this sensor size I would preorder right away.I guess Sony wants to keep a safe distance from the high end, high profit Pro Video gear.The Video Codec data rate is really high but this is still Consumer level 4:2:0 encoding so it doesn't help much. 4K is sorta a workaround but is not as efficient as 4:2:2 1080P Encoding could be.Would be nice also to have Lossy Raw Option like Adobe Lossy DNG. Which is the best thing ever to have the best of both worlds (jpeg vs raw)
Anyways....Sony is doing a good job though, hope they can sell lots of these and awake Canon and Nikon in the process.
Photato, i have a 7D2 and i'm not sure i'll use it more than 200K shots. with the current rate of changes in technology and upgrades, 200K shutter life is huge. I was expecting you to say things like it's heavy and bulky etc but you choose shutter life as an issue... interesting.
This body sells more than the NX1. Nice pricing. I don't mind spending on this vs. NX1 just to experience Samsung ILC.
brendon1000: Sigh. One more case in point to avoid third party lenses for cameras.
there are also the AF algorithm and this is where the money is. Now why should Canon reveal this to their competition? This would fall under intellectual Property in the IT world. Would Apple share their IP with Windows?What people fail to understand is Sigma/Tamron developed their Algo by trial and error. You should expect errors. Good thing is, you can still use MF. Another thing that Canon/Nikon does is include lens correction data in their camera body (pro) for most of their lens which provides in body lens correction which is periodically updated.
Vignes: I thought the Panasonic phone with 1 inch sensor was the truly connected one with a Single piece hardware design which would have taken lots of R&D effort from the Japanese mfr. This Apple/DXO effort seems lazy and lo cost. probably cost them less to make which would yield a lot of profit from the apple fan base.And DXO rating their own... conflict of interest!
the title says truly connected... an android phone can be truly connected to. I'm a iPhone user myself, so what's the difference? I still think it's half baked effort as an add on piece, similar to the sony Q units!
I thought the Panasonic phone with 1 inch sensor was the truly connected one with a Single piece hardware design which would have taken lots of R&D effort from the Japanese mfr. This Apple/DXO effort seems lazy and lo cost. probably cost them less to make which would yield a lot of profit from the apple fan base.And DXO rating their own... conflict of interest!
CameraLabTester: This camera is exciting.
Anybody who gets to own this won't be here on forums anymore...
They would be doing something more worthy.
I think you have over stated about the phone thing. There are more shooting via phone camera. There are lots of people who became interested with the thought of taking photos because of camera phones. I think the days of specific camera for all kind of quick shots are gone!
Lawrencew: A key advantage that MILCs have is no need for MFA as the focusing is performed on the sensor
So you would think the best competitive move by Canon would be to include MFA in every DSLR. The technology must be well developed by Canon now and a minor cost to add. It smacks purely of Canon wanting to justify the higher price of other models
Having faced these back/front focus issues with Rebel camera I would never buy another one. Seems like Canon would prefer I bought a MILC instead. Pity the M3 isn't good enough to then.
Use Liveview if you want on sensor AF like any other MILC.
Robert Garcia NYC: This body reminds me of the Olympus Em1
It does look like EM1
Everlast66: Sony A6000 looks way better than any of these two and is at the end of its life-cycle waiting to be replaced.
rrccad... had a good laugh. Thanks.