pcworth: Does this camera really have lower noise/higher image quality than the Canon T4i at high ISO?
I currently use the FZ200 for my general travel camera and a T4i+70-200 f/2.8 for photographing figure skating friends. This seems like an interesting alternative, at least for the FZ200, but I am skeptical about the noise when shooting at 800+ ISO (often 1600) given the difference one stop slower aperture at 200mm on this camera compared to the Canon.
"I like how the APS-C gives me a greater "reach" with the 7-200."
Yeah, I had always wanted one of those neat 7-200mm, 28.5x zoom range zoom lenses, it's just that they are so rare and thus so pricey, no? :-))
Aguolo: I still can't find any answer on this issue, please FZ1000 owners, could i have your opinions on this ?
Here's my problem. It's the first time with a stabilized camera that when shooting in a quiet place, The mic picks up that much IS noise. I've upped a video of my son : http://youtu.be/MurpDFPqpKE).
The longer the zoom, the noisier it gets (more stabilization needed) and my ear can clearly hear this background sound.
Does it look normal to you or should i contact the seller ?
PS : I essentially use it for video. would it be just for photos, i wouldn't care.
Noisy-cam, it would appear. Too bad, really.
Pjolterbeist: I find it frustrating that DPreview most of the time don't include information on european video standards in their reviews. Often I have to search other places to find out if 25 or 50 fps is included in a camera's specs. In your review the specs sheet says "1920 x 1080 (60p, 60i, 30p, 24p) 1280x720 (30p), 640 x 480 (30p)". No mention on PAL standards.
But in the "First look" you said: 1080p movies at 60, 30 or 24 fps (50, 25 and 24 in PAL countries)
Have they (Panasonic) changed this between your "First look" and the final review?
Please take into consideration that not all of your readers are Americans.
"....this is a non-issue and in any event most modern TVs display either standard."
Not so. TV sets hre in Europe do NOT play back 60p, they max out at 50 Hertz, unless you have the 100 Hertz or higher sets, but even then they will not play out stuff in 30 and 60 frame,s only at 25 and 0, with some also capable of 24 fps playbacks.
Panasonic DMC-FZ1000 is not a world-cam: you will need to get a North American version and a Euro-Asia version to be able to record in any frame rate of your desire.
Birdy1970: Great cam.but not compact...
Yeah, I agree. If it were at least 5.5 grams lighter and 0.8mm smaller, I would buy it in a jiffy!
Al de Wet: Would like to see a professional IQ comparision between FZ200 and FZ1000 to help with making a "upgrading decision"
One has a sensor about 400% larger and a lens with a 200% longer throw than the other one has.
Kinetik13: I've heard the FZ1000 cannot be afixed on a tripod easily.The threaded tripod aperture on the bottom of the camera is said to be covered/obstructed by a plate of some sort, which needs to be unscrewed first. If so, HOW is it unscrewed? Are tools needed to do that?
Do you replace the card from the bottom or from the side? Seems like the cheap P&S-cams replace cards from the bottom, whilst all the better cameras have card slots mounted on the side or in the rear (as with some camcorders).
mannyr: Disappointed. There seems to be something wrong with my camera. Spinning the ring or using the lever, the motion is not smooth. It has slight jerks(not the step zoom feature). On the plus side, the camera is fast and focus accurate. For my tastes, the colors are a bit limp, specially compared to my Sony A57. I was looking for a camera I can use to take pictures of performances where shutter sound is 100% unacceptable. I've been using a FZ200 which is a wonderful camera but limited. I agree with those that have noted the plasticky feel of the FZ1000. It just feels like something might chip or crack given a bump. But one of my biggest disappointments has been the Zoom ring. My FZ50 is perfect because of the mechanical ring. The FZ1000 feels like you are spinning a ball bearing. No feedback whatsoever. What is even more frustrating is that the zoom is slow. If you are trying to shoot sports and want to zoom in or out very quickly, you can't. Once again Panny, so close, yet so far.
Sounds disappointing, for a $900 device we would like to have some semi-pro "prosumer" types of manual controls of these things (zoom, focus, iirs). Lack of built-in ND filters is a big let-down for videographers, as is the fact that allegedly the 25mm WA setting will suddenly become a 37mm normal focal length setting when shooting 4K rez video. Anyone had any experience with this? There is a "The Camera Store" demo video on YT, in it one can see how much WA perspective the FZ1000 loses in 4K mode when the lens is set at its widest possible angle, and it is stunning. You are giving up WA for a 37mm normal lens here in 4K mode, it would seem. How very disappointing.
eiguoc: I've had the FZ100 for about a week now, still learning. I have problems with playing video's back, they will play with the photofunstudio, but will not play in windows media player. Mine were jerky at the start but changed it to AVCHD & a smaller size. Is there another player that has to be used?
"I have a mac and am surprised how well quicktime handles the 4k files."
Good for you, however OP's comment would seem to indicate that the 100 Mbit per second bitrate for 4K video in MPEG 4 is a bit more than this particular camera's CPU can chew. The extra noise coming out of the camera may be due solely to the noisy optical image stabilization, or may also have to do with the small fan turning desperately fast in trying to cool that tiny CPU inside.
eiguoc: I'm sooo happy. by googling around and asking the right Question I found out that DVIX was needed to play video on player. I had recorded a clip on MP4 & on AVCHD. nothing worked on the AVCHD but DVIX DID PLAY the MP4. Choppiness, don't zoom in so much. Yes indeedy I do LOVE FZ1000
A brand new camera that still uses that old derided AVCHD as a video codec in the Summer of 2014? And where are the intricate details about Panasonic's 100 Mbit 4K odec? We know everything about the Sony XAVC S codec that was specifically designed for recording and editing 4K video on the consumer level, yet almost nothing about what Panasonic is using and how it was designed. I mean, is this thing in 4K mode recording in 8-bit or 10-bit, 4:2:0 or 4:2:2, etc?
Oldbeen: I've just received my copy of the FZ1000. Right out of the box it is making a constant whirring noise which sounds a lot like the small cooling fan in my laptop and is almost as loud. It is louder than the focus motor or zoom sounds. It stops when the camera is in playback mode.I contacted Panasonic support who told me that it is normal and is caused by the OIS (which can't be switched off on this camera). This noise is also quite different and much louder from that on my FZ200 which I hardly ever notice and has never been a bother. But I find this noise in the FZ1000 very disappointing and disturbing especially in a $900 camera.
If I want to keep this camera it's going to take some getting used to. Has anyone else encountered this "normal" problem?
So, it would seem that like 80 percent of the FZ1000 copies have this high sound pressure level noise, the rest have the normal OIS related noise. Still, not too good.
Now, for taking STILL PIX, the noise would not other me much (unless it would scare away some wildlife and animals in macro mode or something).
However, based on the comments, the camera is not too usefull for videography, unless once again you are shooting in MOS mode without recording a location audio track.
It would also appear that in 4K resolution video mode, this camera's advertised wide angle focal length of 25mm will suddenly become a 37mm normal lens, so if this is true, in 4K video mode this non-removable camera is useless as a semi-pro videography tool, unless all you are doing is birding and surveillance type of normal + telephoto shots with it.
Kilty Scotsman: Purchased 2 for me and my wife to take up a new hobby.Within first week managed macro of bumble bee and another with x10 62mm filter added, helicopter flying past and could zoom in to see pilot.Love auto tracking focus for moving objects.The settings and menus seem endless but we are getting there bit at a time.Panorama picture is amazing the way it puts it together all in one shoot.The whirling noise is minimal only really notice when in a quiet room, outside don't notice it.Almost forgot I set up my ipad as a remote control for camera using wireless connection, took about 1 minute. Then using Lumix free app. A lot of settings are available in remote including zoom. Ipad displays what camera is viewingGoing to set up tripod near my bird feeder and try to capture some close ups of all the birds using remote control. Pictures can be downloaded using wireless, pretty quick for file size.I like Sony but what we got for our money for the FZ1000 is certainly more than I expected.
How does the wireless remote work in video recording mode, I wonder, and how does the FZ1000's wireless video remote viewing and control work with appliances other than super-overpriced Apple products?
princecody: Anyone know if 4k mode has IS of any kind? I know 4k is limited in many ways since its fairly new.
4K has been out for about 8 years now. Re. the video samples posted here at the end of the review, the first one by DPR is basically a still shot of two cruise ships moored in the harbor. How this passes these days as a "video" clip beats the heck outta me.
Mike FL: Buyer beware:
FZ100's 4K is NOT wide angle, and here is LOST from Pana FZ1000's Spec, but FOUND as following:
"4K movies are taken from the center of the sensor and surrounding pixels are discarded. This cropping changes the effective focal length of the lens to the equivalent of 37mm to 592mm."
I was hoping that you lose the 25mm and start WA at maybe 31-32mm, but 37mm? That makes this Panasonic DMC-FZ1000 fixed lens camera a totally non-usable device for recording 4K resolution video.
Should be still okay for normal Full-HD video -- provided you enjoy working with the prehistoric, low-low bitrate AVCHD codec. (I don't).
Best to use this camera for still pix taking. For video, it does not have a clickless aperture ring, no headphone jack, etc. Nice try by Panasonic, but look out for Sny RX10 Mark II coming out soon.
Aguolo: Keeping on discovering this marvel.Posted a video on youtube : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URPmeJbrDgomaking a comparison of my 3 latest HD gears : from a very compact hx9v that i loved for what it could and still can do despite its size, to the NEX-5R and finally the FZ1000.In a normally illuminated room, iso auto, the results are just astonishing. The FZ1000 is just so clean and so clear.Now, the only weakness i still see is shooting in lowlight environment.Small sensor, not great results.
By the way, i ask again, what do you think about the OIS noise. in a quiet place, i can hear as far as 10cms from it. Even if disabled.
3 strikes against it, though:
1. There is no headphone jack for monitoring the audio being recorded onto the SD card. Why the heck not?
2. There is no way to turn the aperture ring smoothly, like with the Sony RX10. Jumpy aperture stops -- in video mode? No way, Panny.
3. When in 4K video mode, your 25mm wide angle suddenly becomes an app. 32mm not-particularly-wide angle perspective. This is similar with the Sonys also, though.
As a bonus, including the truly ancient, wretched AVCHD as a video codec in a camera debuting in July 2014 is totally ridiculous on the part of Panny.
Anyhow, I don't give it 4 months, and the Sony RX10 Mark II or something similar will "fix" all of these RX1000 shortcomings.
KOTANA: only Lumix DMC-FZ1000 shot!
ENDURO MOTOR BIKE moive
vimeo ver http://vimeo.com/101920454
Plenty of Lumix FZ1000 clips as of today (31 July 2014) on YT.
The motocross clip was superbly edited and the sound mix w. the music and FX track was well done. Too bad that the whole clip was about 2 F-stops overex$$$posed (at least on my projector).
Is there any difference between the YT version and the Vimeo version?
Seems like the shooter did not pick the right shutter speed and also the 5-axle OIS was likely not engaged. Audio quality is great. Nighttime performance is also great, this is where a 1-inch sensor runs circles around those smaller sensor wannabes.
ANd here is a nice shot of Lady Dracula of Bohemia, comparing the Lumix FZ1000 to a NIkon D7100 and Finepix 810.
Aendie: To compare this with the RX10, I would like to know the maximum aperture for stills at 200mm focal length. Is it also F2.8? Stating F2.8-4.0 25-400mm LEICA DC Lens nicely hides the performance in between! At what point can the lens no longer maintain F2.8?
"Stating F2.8-4.0 25-400mm LEICA DC Lens nicely hides the performance in between!"
It is a total racket on the part of Panasonic and Leica, I agree. For this reason alone, I would stay the heck away from this Lumix DMC-FZ1000 and its rickety lens with the mystery specs, you know. [SARCASM INTENTIONAL]
"given the difference one stop slower aperture at 200mm on this camera compared to the Canon."
Sort of hard to make a valid comparison between a 2.8x zoom range still photography camera, on the one hand, and a 16x zoom range still + video lens combination that also has a servo motor for the zoom, manual control and 5-speed variable zoom speed controller.
If all you do is to take still photographers, I would just stick with the Canon and its still photography lens.
Why would you even WANT this FZ1000 camera, when you are already using a Canon and another Panasonic model?
My very first impression on CANON G1XII: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....
Wow, whoever too this "video" -- if they had waited a bit until it got daylight, they could have captured the same exact footage at ISO 400. All they would have had to do was to poke the fire for a few hours till daybreak.