Chinaexpat

Chinaexpat

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On Photokina 2012: Interview - Stephan Schulz of Leica article (221 comments in total)
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Chinaexpat: The difference between the D800 and the S3 is not sensor size. The differences are
A: One sensor which is optimized for low light and another optimized for low ISO. and
B: More expensive lenses, if the japanese camera companies could get $2,000 for a 50mm f1.8 they could EASILY design an amazing lens fully the equal to anything from Leica. Just look at lenses like the oly 150mm f2.0 or nikon 200mm f2.0
C: The D800 has 2 user groups, 1) Professionals who use it as a workaday tool and 2) Amateurs who are (sorry don't mean to be insulting) posing by using a tool which is bigger and more expensive than they actually need.
The S3 has just one user group: Professionals who are posing by using a tool which is bigger and more expensive than they actually need. Not to say that an S3 is not a better tool for certain jobs than a D800 but the primary function of an S3 is to announce yourself as serious.

ppastoris, this article is pretty good but i think you'd have to read a bunch of academic physics and electrical engineering journals to really get the answer to your question.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/sensor-design.shtml

Direct link | Posted on Sep 25, 2012 at 00:25 UTC
On Photokina 2012: Interview - Stephan Schulz of Leica article (221 comments in total)
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Chinaexpat: The difference between the D800 and the S3 is not sensor size. The differences are
A: One sensor which is optimized for low light and another optimized for low ISO. and
B: More expensive lenses, if the japanese camera companies could get $2,000 for a 50mm f1.8 they could EASILY design an amazing lens fully the equal to anything from Leica. Just look at lenses like the oly 150mm f2.0 or nikon 200mm f2.0
C: The D800 has 2 user groups, 1) Professionals who use it as a workaday tool and 2) Amateurs who are (sorry don't mean to be insulting) posing by using a tool which is bigger and more expensive than they actually need.
The S3 has just one user group: Professionals who are posing by using a tool which is bigger and more expensive than they actually need. Not to say that an S3 is not a better tool for certain jobs than a D800 but the primary function of an S3 is to announce yourself as serious.

Sunny15, of course you're right but i was exaggerating to make a point. Also my internal definition of professional is not the usual "makes a living at it".

Let me make an analogy using two of my neighbors from back in the states. One races his BMW M5 on weekends, he installed a lift in his home garage so that he can work on it. The other neighbor has a constant stream of high end exotic cars Ferrari etc... parked in his garage, when a new one comes in the last one goes to a warehouse he build down the road.

In my mind if you need a D800 you are a pro if you want a D800 you are an amature

Direct link | Posted on Sep 25, 2012 at 00:23 UTC
On Photokina 2012: Interview - Stephan Schulz of Leica article (221 comments in total)
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marcio_napoli: Chances are that 95% of the people taking Mr. Schulz words as offensive are as guilt of arrogance as he is.

People here are saying that top 35mm cameras (D800) are now the Holly Grail of photography, and in a self made statement, as capable as DMF cameras.

Where were you guys just about months ago, just before the D800?

So that doesn't make these people arrogant too? Do you all have worked with Digital Medium Format cameras to make a valid statement?

I guess 95% here don't, and they claim their truth is truer and better than Mr. Schulz's.

On a side note: I don't think his statement is arrogant. It's a statement molded by circunstances.

He's bold, and leaps far away from the false diplomacy we see in the society.

People who never shot with digital backs claim their MP packed 35mm cameras are now equally good.

But these people never shot with Digital backs to know that other side of the fence so well, and make a valid claim.

I would have said:

"If you think of professional cameras lined up along a speed / IQ continuum with cameras like the D4 or 1D X at one end and gigapixel view camera scanning backs at the other. A camera such as the D800 is just one step removed from the end of that spectrum.

For some people that might be a compelling proposition but our customers start out with the expectation of using the very best lenses available and we pair those lenses with a sensor and camera which can fully do them justice.

Of course there should be more market pressure from a 36mp 35mm camera than from a 41mp smartphone but in the end the image characteristics between 35mm and MF are just completely different. For our customers that is a crucial difference, so no we don't see a lot of overlap there."

Direct link | Posted on Sep 24, 2012 at 03:53 UTC
On Photokina 2012: Interview - Stephan Schulz of Leica article (221 comments in total)
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marcio_napoli: Chances are that 95% of the people taking Mr. Schulz words as offensive are as guilt of arrogance as he is.

People here are saying that top 35mm cameras (D800) are now the Holly Grail of photography, and in a self made statement, as capable as DMF cameras.

Where were you guys just about months ago, just before the D800?

So that doesn't make these people arrogant too? Do you all have worked with Digital Medium Format cameras to make a valid statement?

I guess 95% here don't, and they claim their truth is truer and better than Mr. Schulz's.

On a side note: I don't think his statement is arrogant. It's a statement molded by circunstances.

He's bold, and leaps far away from the false diplomacy we see in the society.

People who never shot with digital backs claim their MP packed 35mm cameras are now equally good.

But these people never shot with Digital backs to know that other side of the fence so well, and make a valid claim.

I don't think the interviewer's question implied parity between the D800 and MF. For some uses which previously called for MF, the D800 represents "good enough" without some of the drawbacks of MF systems. This creates a reality of marketplace competition between the D800 and some of the smaller better handling MF systems such as... the S3.

Mr. Schulz was not only inelegant in his answer but unpersuasive. He was obviously annoyed by the question because he has no ready answer and he has no ready answer not because one doesn't exist but because of his arrogance.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 24, 2012 at 03:53 UTC
On Photokina 2012: Interview - Stephan Schulz of Leica article (221 comments in total)
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Chinaexpat: The difference between the D800 and the S3 is not sensor size. The differences are
A: One sensor which is optimized for low light and another optimized for low ISO. and
B: More expensive lenses, if the japanese camera companies could get $2,000 for a 50mm f1.8 they could EASILY design an amazing lens fully the equal to anything from Leica. Just look at lenses like the oly 150mm f2.0 or nikon 200mm f2.0
C: The D800 has 2 user groups, 1) Professionals who use it as a workaday tool and 2) Amateurs who are (sorry don't mean to be insulting) posing by using a tool which is bigger and more expensive than they actually need.
The S3 has just one user group: Professionals who are posing by using a tool which is bigger and more expensive than they actually need. Not to say that an S3 is not a better tool for certain jobs than a D800 but the primary function of an S3 is to announce yourself as serious.

Is this a real question or nitpicking over my inexact (nonetheless clear) phrasing?

If real, was referring to CCD vs CMOS. If nitpicking, get a life.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 24, 2012 at 02:53 UTC
On Photokina 2012: Interview - Stephan Schulz of Leica article (221 comments in total)

My point about lenses is just that Leica doesn't have any "secret sauce" a $5,000 lens will be better than a $1,000 lens.

I didn't say the D800 is as good. I clearly said the S2/S3 sensor is more suited to high IQ low ISO shooting. I'm just saying the modest bump in sensor size is less important than the sensor type and top glass.

As for posing, you'd never be able to see the difference between a D800 and a S3 off a shot on the cover of Vogue. The truth is that very little commercial work actually requires the same IQ as a large fine art print. Some work yes, but not most.

I should have said:

"The S3 has a main user group: Professionals who only sometimes need the extra IQ over a D800 but usually need to make clients feel they are getting their money's worth.

What it often comes down to is that "in the pro world this camera is respected".

Not knocking the Leica, just an observation of what goes on as pelican cases are opened up in the presence of art directors.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 22, 2012 at 17:26 UTC as 24th comment | 4 replies
On Photokina 2012: Interview - Stephan Schulz of Leica article (221 comments in total)

The difference between the D800 and the S3 is not sensor size. The differences are
A: One sensor which is optimized for low light and another optimized for low ISO. and
B: More expensive lenses, if the japanese camera companies could get $2,000 for a 50mm f1.8 they could EASILY design an amazing lens fully the equal to anything from Leica. Just look at lenses like the oly 150mm f2.0 or nikon 200mm f2.0
C: The D800 has 2 user groups, 1) Professionals who use it as a workaday tool and 2) Amateurs who are (sorry don't mean to be insulting) posing by using a tool which is bigger and more expensive than they actually need.
The S3 has just one user group: Professionals who are posing by using a tool which is bigger and more expensive than they actually need. Not to say that an S3 is not a better tool for certain jobs than a D800 but the primary function of an S3 is to announce yourself as serious.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 22, 2012 at 15:04 UTC as 26th comment | 6 replies
On Just Posted: Pentax K-01 review article (358 comments in total)

The kids always give the substitute a hard time.

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