petr marek: I have mine already ...NX1 and NX500 have really no competition in price/value/technology ...Are some of the Samsung shareholders or top managers from rival companies to make such a brand damaging decision - give up when becoming respected leader in technology?
The technology was very good but it's a dang tough market to break into. Competition and historical momentum from Canon and Nikon are tough to challenge. And I looked at the bodies and thought they were real nice, but until the end the system was very limited. And with interchangeable lens cameras you need a system to sell bodies and you need to sell bodies to make it profitable to expand the system. I do think it would make good sense for someone like Nikon to buy the technology. Could really jump start their entry into the mirrorless market, if they want to go there.
Mrrowe8: We often throw the word game changer out there .. "IF" This camera is all that the bill says it is .. is about to kick the door down and take Nikon Canons ,and possibly Sony's lunch money .. I am not a Pentax home boy , in fact I am only loyal to the manufacturer that gives me most quality image bang for my buck .. And this monster in the weeds might capture my money as I am in market to upgrade ..after much reading and research I was landing on either D750 or D500 Nikon , but this may have thrown one of those cameras outta the boat .. And start DSLR Thunderdome.. 2 cameras enter one camera leaves
Certainly looks like a very compelling camera. As an Olympus shooter I find the IBIS really valuable in many situations. Put a fast prime on a FF body with good IBIS, and... But I agree with the thoughts that it'll be hard for Pentax to acquire much market share. Folks invested in systems have lots of inertia to not jump systems. Canon, Nikon, and Sony all have much more name recognition and market presence. Just very skeptical that any company without a huge marketing budget can jump into the current FF market with much success. Looks like a heck of a body, however.
stupidisanart: The lack of weather sealing is a deal breaker for me, this would have be a great camera as a walk around otherwise.
Do you really expect a camera in this market segment to be weather sealed?
Valentinian: the specs comparison table seems to show that the E M-10 lcd is the tilting type. Isn't it fully articulated?
Nope, tilting. Of the OMDs, only the E-M5ii is fully articulated. I prefer the tilting LCD, though I can see that some folks would prefer the full articulated LCD.
Top Dog Imaging: An opportunity to purchase twice the camera for half the price of a T6/s or T6/i:
The Olympus OM-D E-M5 I (kit lens included), $499 at B & H.
See the DPR "studio scene" and compare the output between the T6 Rebels and the Olympus OM-D E-M5.
BTW, The Oly has 5-Axis Image Stabilization, it's dust and weather sealed, and it's constructed from magnesium and aluminum alloys. The electronic viewfinder is very good.
The OM-D E-M5 debuted in 2012.
As to depth of field differences between 2 factor m43 and 1.6 crop factor APS-C, there's not a huge difference. Assuming an equivalent field of view (not focal length but equivalent focal length), an m43 body at f/2, a 1.6 crop factor APS-c body at f2.5, and a FF body at f/4 all have about the same depth of field. So the difference between m43 and 1.6 crop APS-C, in terms of depth of field, is only about 2/3 of a stop. Perhaps meaningful but not substantial. If you want narrow depth of field, FF is really the way to go.
Glen Barrington: When I was 20, I would have killed for a Leica, but now that I'll be turning 65 in a week, I find, oddly, I have absolutely zero interest in owning a Leica. I don't need a beautiful, well built, reasonably competent, digital camera that is obsolete within 2 months of its release.
I feel I can get by with an uglier, less well built, but still reasonably competent camera that is obsolete within 2 months of its release.
Besides, most of my friends who would likely be impressed with my owning a Leica are either dead or confused by my inability to give up the passions of my adolescence. A couple are just confused.
My new E-M10 will likely last until I'm dead. And after that, it won't matter much, will it?
I've never touched a Leica, and perhaps if I hadd I'd feel differently. But it strikes me that if you buy a Leica you're paying a heck of a lot for that red dot. But, I don't get the attraction to really expensive watches either.
Marty4650: Should the lack of an accessory port be a negative for the EM10?
Ask yourself why the accessory port exists....
1. To attach a flash2. To attach a Penpal WIFI connector3. To attach a microphone
The EM10 has all three built right in, making the accessory port totally unnecessary. And by removing it, Olympus "toned down" the hump, which was actually makes the EM10 look more like an OM1 than the EM5 does.
You can still use external strobes. There is a hot shoe and the built in flash will work as a trigger to fire off camera strobes in RC mode. To my knowledge, the only flash that even uses the accessory port is the small flash that comes with the E-M1 and E-M5 (and probably with the P-L7).
wallbreaker: rx10 was overpriced from the beginning...thanks panasonic
I thought so too. Seemed like a great concept for a lot of folks who wanted a good non-interchangeable lens camera, but I thought the price was too high for that market.
JJLMD: Canon and Nikon are tomorrow's IBM and Kodak unless they undergo an extreme makeover. I rekindled this hobby in earnest about 2 years ago after decades of disinterest. When I started researching gear, I started researching only Canon and Nikon but it didn't take me very long to realize that Sony, Fujifilm and Olympus were making the most exciting products. Look, there are still people who still see Cadillac as THE prestige brand so it'll take awhile but there's no doubt in my mind that Canon and Nikon are on the same path as IBM and Kodak. These companies were once dominant and during their reign, it was unimaginable they would fall all the way to the bottom.
I generally agree with the trend. Canon and Nikon have generally been very conservative in terms of technology innovation over the past several years. And when they have "innovated" the designes have generally not been well conceived. The Canon mirrorless is a prime example. They have the most comprehensive systems and the systems have been the bread and butter tools of most working professionals. Most working professionals care less about innovation than have stable and reliable systems that meet their needs. But it also stifles innovation. They have well established user bases and name recognition that will carry them for some time. But I do think they are clearly loosing the technology innovation battle right now. Heck, if Sony could get their act together with lenses they'd really have a compelling product. Very innovative bodies but the lens lineup can be a little thin.
itsastickup: It's a beautiful camera.
Show me the bokeh, show me the bokeh, show me the bokeh!!!
And not at $900, FFS. These clowns won't crack mirroless until they realise that the common man wants everything but his kid's face out of focus. And he gets it from APS-C for less than $200
How much less DOF does APS-C have than m43 at approximately equal effective focal lengths? The difference is a bit less than 1 stop.
nathondetroit: I miss the days when cameras used to suck—I mean REALLY suck. Back when megapixels doubled weekly and ISO 200 was intolerable. Those reviews were exciting.
Now I just think, “Wow, most people will never take interesting pictures with this.”
Don't know that I agree with missing the days when cameras really sucked, but I do agree with your bottom line. We have tons of amazing tools, some better at certain tasks than others, but so many wonderful cameras. But I sense many don't get used in ways that produce very interesting images.
Jim Salvas: Following the enthusiastic reviews on DPReview and the user reports in the forums i will be buying an EM-1 outfit in January to replace my D300 and its big bag of lenses. The only reason for the delay is that I will receive about $4,000 from an investment in early January, all of which will go toward the new outfit.
For the next month, I expect to go through the tradeoff comparisons, figuring out how best to allocate that money on lenses and other accessories.
One thing I'm afraid to leave behind is the excellent Nikon flash system, as my SB800 and SB600 have been responsible for some of my best images over the last four years. I am a big believer in creating my own light, but I see very little in the Olympus reviews or user reports about the flash system. Will I be disappointed?
You might be disappointed. I've not used the Nikon flash system but by reputation it's the best going. I find rc flash mode with the Oly system generally satisfactory but it sometimes misses badly. I know there are some debates on the forums but many of us find the system tends to underexpose in TTL mode. Seems to really want to protect highlights. Slave and manual flash work as expected. I love the system but I think you'll have some adjustments coming from the Nikon system.
photo nuts: There seems to be a massive push by DPReview to promote mirrorless cameras. Just saying. :)
well there's lots of subjectivity. That's what I see when I really try to compare. But I tire of the "almost as good as APS- C was a decade ago" kind of response. The technical IQ of all these cameras is amazing. Mostly, real image quality is far more limited by operator skills. And I know that's true about my photography.
My old eyes see the IQ of current Nikon APS-C sensors as class leading. But they also see the current sensors used by Olympus as better than any current Cannon APS-C camera. All of these cameras can make stunning images. Current m43 cameras would kill any 2004 APS-C camera, and probably any 2004 FF camera in terms of what folks mean by IQ.
rbarbara139: Question: On 4/3 I'm on the outside looking in but want to switch over. . Thoughts on the the E-M1 vs the E-M5?In light of the cost difference would the extra money be spent on lens?
Hard to say, value is in the pocket book of the buyer. I've not touched an EM1 but have an EM5. My take is the E-M1 has largely fixed most of the niggles of the first generation E-M5 and added some new features. The EVF is reputed to be much better, more controls, 1/8000 second shutter, IBIS is reputedly improved over the already very good IBIS in the M5. I have the grip for the EM5 and find that really improves handling, but it also bridges the cost gap. OTOH, without the grip the EM5 is certainly smaller. I really like the E-M5 and probably won't upgrade (I say knowing I'll get GAS). Unless the money difference really matters I'd probably go for the E-M1. Though investing in good lenses is always a good investment. In the short run, I'd rather have the E-M5 with good glass than the E-M1 with the basic kit lens. Just some thoughts.
thx1138: i had zero interest in the Nikon mirrorless system until today. This is a master stroke and I can't wait to see how it performs. Just in time for our summer.
This interests me too. I do quite a bit of kayaking. None of the water proof P & S cameras currently available offer very good IQ. This I could strap around my neck and leave it out without worry. I'm at least going to give this a more in depth look.
ImagesInstyle: Incredible how all this social media, and blogs commenting has taken photography from an art form, to a worthless political areana!.
you can fight back and forth to your fingers hurt from typing, but photography, no matter what camera you use, will always be aboutcapturing the moment...wether in manual (which how photography began)or auto focus mode...Period..go shoot, and STFU..
Agree completely. Using an analogy, if the comments on new camera releases were pixels, we'd be seeing a whole lot of noise and not much signal.
Laagwater: Like the EM-1 but maybe a little expensive at this price. Just checked the Image quality-tab (page 9) and when i compare Raw quality to every other camera (also Em5) The photo's look way to red imho. You can see that very clear with the face of the man on the right side. (the bold one). Or is it me?
I think if you compare it to high end APS-C bodies it's pretty comparable. It's a magnesium weather sealed body, shoots up to 10 frames / second, has lots of external controls and is highly customizable, etc. It's a pretty high end body.
neo_nights: That seems MUCH better. But..... what about those who didn't own a CS3 (or higher) versions? Should we get stuck with the old, outrageous price?
I'd consider this though I've never owned any version of PS so... And will the contract be limited to the current version of LR and CS or will upgrade's be included.
At least there's consensus.