Dynamic and tonal range is very very limited,half of ISO 12800 shots lack details even at 1.6MP resolution (1600X1200);not usable for anything exept web posts and probably 6X4 prints.Looks like cameraphone quality.
I'd rather see more examples of ISO 3200 - ISO 6400.
I am sure D3200 will be a very good camera, but if I had it, I wouldn't take pictures at ISO 12800 at all.
Zilvinas K: Why all the low light images are ISO 12800? ("impressive"?, c'mon people) Also, Nikon, what's up with a plasticky body and relatively advanced features in one? All 4 entry level DSLRs more of the same. Come up with one that would be nice to take into hands. A rangefinder then...
ISO 12800 is completely unusable for enything except for low-reso web-postings or for 6X4 prints.
Where are all those 24 MP when pictures are only semi-good downsized to at least 1.6 MP (1600X1024)???
It is not DSLR, it is camera-phone quality.
I mean, I do not have anything against D3200,but, honestly, ISO 12800 is an overkill for this camera.
szlevi: Apple's whole implementation sucks, big time. The iPhone 4S employs the same Sony EXMOR R sensor like my year-old Xperia arc yet my phone blows it out of the water...Old but representative: http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/10/16/camera-shootout-iphone-4s-versus-xperia-arc/
Apple iPhone 4S has a decent cameracapable of taking artistic pictures I listed in my links previously.
Quality difference between Xperia and 4S are negligible,because folks who need real quality will never use a cell cam in the first place.
Les Kamens: This is only $2.99. I can't believe all the discussion on this app. Go out and Make ART !! be creative, it's not just the gear, it's all you. if you don't like it , delete the app. remember it was only $2.99. and if you don't like the Apps that are out there go make one of your own...or at least get in the ears of those that do and let them know what you like and dis like... Creating Art Just Makes Sense
Discussion here arised mainly not because of the App,but because of its ridiculous name - 645 PRO .
First of all, it does not have anything to do with a 645 camera,and secondly, it is far from being a PROfessional App or from being an App for Professionals.
Everyone knows that advantages of DSLRs are interchangeable lenses.
Did you know that YOU CAN DO IT with the iPhone as well? !!!Here are the best examples:
1) Olloclip 3in1: Fisheye, Wide-Angle, Macro Price:$70Great video review:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUf6c2xgUyQ&feature=relatediPhone fotos made with lens on Flickr: http://olloclip.com/olloclip/flickr.html
2) Soundlogic Telescopic 8X LensPrice: $45 with mini tripod includedGreat video review:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnykIWG8VBo&feature=related
3) Kogeto Dot 360Grad Panorama lensPrice: $50http://the-gadgeteer.com/2012/02/29/kogeto-dot-panorama-iphone-44s-camera-adapter-review/http://www.kogeto.com/say-hello-to-dot
4) HomeDepo-made DIY SteadicamPrice: $9http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msz6EBQykxU&feature=relatedWatch from 3:03min
Hard to believe that these images were captured by an iPhone 4S !!!
Here is an image quality comparisonbetweencameraphones (iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPhone 4S)vs. point & shoot camera (Canon Powershot S95)vs. professional dSLR (Canon 5DMKII)for macro and landscape subjects
iPhone 4S in HDR modevs. Nikon D90 (14-24 lens)in professional hands
Roland Karlsson: Just to summarize. This is just another app. It might (or might not) be able to get higher quality images from your iPhone. No one knows. Or at least I have seen no on that really knows, i.e. have some measurements.
Anyway - a cheap and compact P&S camera will give better images, and will have a zoom. So - its not mind blowing in any way.
This app might (or might not) drain your battery.
It has a quite crude user interface.
The app does not capture RAW - it capture cooked and saves it without JPEG lossy compression.
The app gives you some extra features that might be useful though. But - the review hints at the non JPEG output being the only unique part.
The app has a flashy name that is very hard to motivate. Marketing department going wild.
Its (in principle) neat to be able to avoid JPEG though. So ... for some ... that is enough motivation. Even if the IQ loss doing JPEG might be minimal. Or maybe Apple makes so lousy JPEG compression that this is a major improvement.
Do not forget, iPhone does not have lousy zoom glass of compacts; it has a PRIME LENS! Just kidding.
Jokes aside,I'd really see some value from the app if it could deliver losless JPEG images without all in-cam noise reduction.
Rich46: Crazy how people get so critical of iphone 4s and the never ending apps that appear.645 Pro is most definitely a hefty step forward and improves the pictures like no other iphone 4s app before it.
Don't 'dis' this app or compare it to real world camera gear (which can't play your music collection, entertain you with movies, surf the net, guide you when you are lost, MAKE Phone Calls etc), it is boosting the quality of a camera PHONE.
With care, the user can make some mighty fine images with 645 Pro, the black and white film stock settings are pretty good, the AE lock, AF lock, self timer, night mode (1 second shutter speed), histogram are all very useable.
The jpegs at max 3 bar setting are clean files and the Tiff file is again a handy file format to output from a PHONE.
I always have my iphone on me and have made images in photography prohibited areas (auction houses, police stations) which other photographers couldn't- one being a 5dmk2 user, unable to discretely shoot.
what can one capture with Iphone indoors(auction houses & police stations, as you described)when Iphone camera is just terrible in low light?
how can one do real paparazzi/spy photograph,when Iphone has low MP count and no optical zoom?
ugly brick of a camera?One does not need to have a "designer" or "slim" camera to improve the chances of taking images in prohibited areas.
Actually, IPhone can take pretty artistic pictures;just have a look here:http://campl.us/posts/amazing25
Obviously, one can not print them big,but they prove one more timethat skills/creativity are more important than the tool/camera.
Robert Steinman: I don't know why people is so surprised! I have been using "Camera FV-5" for Android for some months, and has everything 645 PRO has and much more.
Camera FV-5 also provides lossless output in PNG format, and the picture quality is awesome. Furthermore, the are metering modes, automatic exposure bracketing, full RGB live histogram, custom ISO, built-in intervalometer, and even shutter priority mode! The interface really resembles a professional camera, and I have managed to take some nice photos with that app. In recent updates they have added focus lock, auto exposure lock and auto white balance lock.
I would really recommend Camera FV-5, for those using Android!
What do you mean by AWESOME picture quality?Comparing to other phones?What about comparing it to the pictures from superslim Canon Powershot S100?
RE: Rich46:"I always have my iphone on me and have made images in photography prohibited areas (auction houses, police stations) which other photographers couldn't- one being a 5dmk2 user, unable to discretely shoot."
People who like to take pictures in prohibited areas use new Canon G1X. It is absolutely silent, all black, fits big pocket and has DSLR's APS-C sensor and optical zoom.Apple 4S is for "spy kids", not for the real paparazzi/spy photography.
Rich46: If you have a 4s buy 645 Pro and read the manual that is included in the app-The prints i have made are STUNNING.
It's a no brainer- BUY IT. 10/10 GOLD STAR.
Did you mean 3X5 inch prints?Just kidding.
Confused of Malvern: OK, so I've managed to glean that '4K' apparently refers to 4096 x 2160 pixel video capture - but I've no idea why that matters, what difference it makes or whether I should be bothered.
Come on dpreview, explain the basics to us mere mortals who have only ever used dSLR's for stills photography. All I understand at the moment is that this camera shoots video and costs a lot of money - it's irrelevant to me on both counts but I'm still interested in understanding why it's supposedly so special.
“By ScottieC It's only going to be a short time before the new tv's come out as 4k TV which is about 4096x2160... 4k Ability now means your video's will be usable full screen LATER ON.”
Ok, so now we do not have media to watch those 4K videos.So why not to wait till “later on” when the price of 4K cameras will be not higher than of FullHD cameras now? :-)
boho: dpreview: "... and comfortable rubber grips"sorry mates! I don't buy it. it looks to me almost as impossible to hold the G1X with one hand by the grip as it is to hold the G12, which, by the way, is impossible. and this is a big set-back for me, because a camera with tilting screen can't hang on your neck, because the strap hangs in between the screen and your eyes. and if you can't hold in one hand by the grip, so how do you hold it? this is just a lousy ergonomy.
"because a camera with tilting screen can't hang on your neck, because the strap hangs in between the screen and your eyes..."
??? bohoI have a neckstrap but I do not have the problem you described.
bcalkins: This seems like a perfect landscape camera for those willing to live with this specific aperture / lens combination, and lack of a good viewfinder. Personally, the CSC cameras have a lot more to offer in terms of AF, fast lenses, and EVF's that I'd still go that route...the senor is marginally larger than MFT options and you gain a lot more image quality in low light being able to add an f/1.8 lens.
Depth of field control is still limited compared to large sensor PLUS large aperture. This camera seems to tick the boxes but ultimately doesn't add up to a compelling option for me.
"you gain a lot more image quality in low light being able to add an f/1.8 lens"
True only if you gonna take pictures wideopen.
What about zooming a bit or being able to zoom considerably in the low light without carrying your backpack with huge lenses.Do not forget about the great IS system Canon installed into G1X that beats IS from all other manufacturers.
Steven Rounds: In regards to the "Silver Award" given to the Canon G1 X by DP Review in its test review...check out this link:
Note that if you search DP Review for "Canon PowerShot G1 X light leak", you'll come up with NO links or discussions of the problem...what the hell is going on at DP Review? Is it run by Canon fanboyz?
I already made more than a 1000 of pics with my G1X,and I never encountered "light leak" problem.
It is nonexistent.
I believe you have higher chances to find pics affected by lens flare or moire than "light leak".
mcslsk: Not recognizing the revolutionary design of the lens for me is the major shortfall of the review. That is disappointing because I was always under the impression that for the reviewers here, photographic elements of a camera are way more important than gimmicks like in camera filters or video capabilities. If you look at the lens, Canon has not only delivered high quality glass but also really taken it to the limits of what can be done given size restraints and also probably price point. There are only two other cameras that I had considered prior to he announcement of the G1X: The Fuji x100 and the Sony NEX 7. What made me go for the G1X is the lens! It is tiny, yet has a very acceptable zoom range and still starts at 2.8 and ends at 5.8 which is normal for most kit lenses (for camera with comparable sensor size). Thus I strongly believe that dpreview should revisit their review.
AF is not worse than with previous Canon G7/9/10/11/12.It was good enough before, so why all the talk now?This is not the camera for action photography and it never was.
This is why people spend thousands of $ for ProDSLR bodies and L zoom lenses.
kadardr: G1X was designed to get a large sensor compact camera with a usable zoom range. The form factor is intentionally to be the smallest possible (or smallish). There are consequences of this form factor: The collapsible lens' distortion is high and thus image must be corrected during processing. Further, this processing slows possibly down the fps rate.This lens design (be unobtrusive and collapsible) cannot cope well with close range photography, therefore the continuous switch back and forth to macro. Also the AF is sluggish (large sensor, narrow DOF, much AF work). So what you guys damn about this camera is coming from its being too small. I mean too small for the sensor size and for it was intended to be flat and bricklike. All in all the final achievement by Canon is outstanding considering the predefined selfconstraints. Here comes the multimillion dollar question: Who set the objectives right: Canon with G1X or Nikon with the ONE system? Sales figures will tell.
If they did G1X AF as fast as mirrorless cams,noone would buy Rebel/600D and similars.
You want the speed and action shots - buy DSLR.If you want DSLR quality for stills - buy Canon G1X.