See the CHART:
OK, listen up everyone. I've taken the data found on page one of this review http://www.dpreview.com/previews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx7 and put it onto a log chart.
This way we can better appreciate the combined (relative to 135mm) aperture per zoom, and better compare among the cameras in this category.
Intersects, and where the lines come close, gives us a good indication of where an advantage changes, and of where some become similar.
Too bad I can't embed the graphic in this post.
Problem with this chart is that f-values in the cameras do not change continuously they do it in the steps different for different products.
For example, for RX100 there is f1.8 at 28 mm, f2.0 at 29mm, f2.8 at 34mm.for G1X there is the same f2.8 all the way from 28-34mm.
In fulll frame DoF equivalents 28mm f4.9 vs f5.2 = slight advantage of RX10029mm f5.4 vs f5.2 = slight advantage of G1X34mm f7.6 vs f5.2 = G1X wins hands downand not in the 36mm point as shown by the chart
(based on the DPReview testshttp://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-dsc-rx100/3http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong1x/7)
This chart should be corrected from scratchto incorporate the reality,becase in the current version it misrepresents the data.
Cheap big sensor compact paired with the spotting scopemay yield better results while staying on a very light side:
Nice long zoom reach will prevent such situations from happening:http://www.celebguru.com/entry/hugh-grant-arrested-for-paparazzi-assault/
and it will allow nice celebrity shots to be done by every kid from the blockall in the name of Nikon brand http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Beyonce-paparazzi-beyonce-128584_1000_1272.jpg
stanginit: next will be robotic athletes.
Just imagineinternet forums with computer generated newsand forum bots replying to eachother instead of human beings.
Future is coming,but it will not be a good one.
(unknown member): what a pity... no touch screen shooting.Imagine if it does, you can then shoot from any angle with that swivel LCD.Deal Breaker
Smart-phones and smart-camerascan theoretically make people dumb.
Are robots cheaper than imported photographers from China?
Looks like the industry is dying. :-(
Jogger: This would have been interesting 12 months ago.. now, all high end compacts are going to be compared to the RX100. This Samsung has too many gimmicks, and is going to fall short.
"Here is a review about the best pocket camera ever made Buddy"Now, just go back to that review straight to the sample images and download image 17 in original size. Have a look at it, and then we will talk.Btw, it was ISO125 not ISO3200.
29 sample images from Nokia 808under the magnifying glass of pixel-peepers:http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/23/3113109/nokia-808-pureview-sample-photos#3486531
Looks very good to me.
SammyToronto: Nokia also announced a couple of weeks ago that they would introduce the same technology on their Windows phones (likely the Lumia). It's probably best to wait for that version to sample that amazing new camera/sensor since buying a Symbian phone costing that much is not a great idea (Nokia stopped further Symbian development last year). Unless you don't need apps, that is, which Windows doesn't have too many of right now but that's bound to change.
I had another Symbian Nokia with a great camera (the N8) and I thought I wouldn't need more apps than what Nokia offered, but then I found some very useful apps only available for Apple and Andriod phones so I switched to an Android phone with a very decent camera (Sony Ericsson Arc S) and I'm happy with the switch. The (slightly) better camera on the N8 was nice, but didn't make up for the restrictions of sticking to an outdated platform like Symbian, imo of course.
Android or not,but this product can take great pictures,and one can call his/her friends not worse than with other phones.I do not watch movies and I do not play games on the cell phone yet. So for people like me it is the perfect phone to have.
jon404: So will it run my cellphone bill into orbit with mammoth 41 MP snapshot uploads? Or does it downsample, thereby actually not being a 41 MP camera at all?
EDIT, from the Amazon website -- "For example, when you want a 5MP photo, PureView packs the goodness of 7 pixels into 1 for sharp, clear, and ready to share photos."
But wait. Isn't a pixel just... a pixel? What am I missing here? And my God, 41 MP on a point 'n shoot sized sensor?
"And my God, 41 MP on a point 'n shoot sized sensor?"
Sensor has almost the same size as on $650 Sony RX100 product.
Or are you waiting for a Canon 5D Mark4 with the cell phone functions?
tok2: Does anyone dare to tell what IQ (Noise, DR) could be like compared to a 1st gen micro 4/3 (E-pl1)?
From the samples it looks very good even at high ISO's.
Have a quick look here:
RX100 does a decent job all the way up to ISO800.
Per-pixel noise characteristics of RX100 will be similar to Canon S95.
S95 sensor area/MP count = 42/10 = 4.2 = 100%RX100 sensor area/MP count = 116/20.9 = 5.55 = 132%
Comparing to the APS-C cameras RX100 will lose about 2 stops: 3200D sensor area/MP count = 358/24.7 = 14.49 = 345%G1X sensor area/MP count = 262/14.3 = 18.32 = 436%
Comparing to full frame one can see that per-pixel difference between G1X and RX100 will be bigger than between G1X and 5DMark3:Canon 5DMark3 sensor area/MP count = 864/23.5 = 36.92 = 879%
Greg Lutze can say whatever he wants,because he is gonna get $$$ for every copy of his App sold,
but VSCO Cam IS and will be A TOY,as long as iPhones are equipped with the toy cameras.
On the 0:21sec of the videothere is a claim that this App has "Professional-quality" filters.Only time will tell whether professionals will use them. :-)
But anyway it is good that there are cheap photo-editing apps appearing for the mobile phones;so by the time our cells will be equipped with decent photocameras,we will not need to pay big $$$ for a mobile version of the new Photoshop,and we will enjoy similar functionality while using an App worth of couple of bucks. ;-)
AnHund: There is one thing many high MP haters overlook and that is the ability to get "zooming capability" for free, because you can crop more and still maintain the image size of your older low MP camera :-)
More pixels will not lead to the better images at extremely high ISO.
Hi-ISO IQ depends on the sensor signal/noise specs and not MP count!!!
Marco 2k7: By the kind of questions I read here, I think is clear that Nikon is giving new entry photographers something they don't need or understand. But makes them THINK they need it, that makes profit for Nikon itself.
Don't really think this brings any good to the market nor the buyers.
Many people had trouble deciding between entry level cameras with a "regular" mpx count, now they get so confused some people actually consider buying the D3200 instead of the D5100. Pretty crazy IMO.
Yes,BUT who will use all 24 MP at mainstream level, let alone 50-60MP,when 90-95% of future D3200 users will never print a picture bigger than 11X14 ????????????
justmeMN: In Amateur Photographer Magazine, a Nikon representative said: "Megapixels is a spec point that features whenever you look at a website, a brochure it's always highlighted....For that [entry-level] customer it will be important, but higher up
enthusiast-level D7000 customers, for example, have a much broader range of demands on their list to tick off, such as performance in low light, or being more robust."
In short, 24MP is just a marketing gimmick aimed at entry-level buyers.
Yes,BUT who will use all 24 MP at mainstream levelwhen 90-95% of future D3200 users will never print a picture bigger than 11X14 ????????????
Sam Carriere: It's hard to take any camera that comes in a bright red version seriously. It's either a camera or a fashion accessory.
Colour should not have any connection/association with the quality of the tool.
In the past all quality cars were black.Does it mean that all black cars are of high quality now?
I believe we need to accept that having an option to choose the color of the camera wil only make consumers more satified and camera producers more profitable.
Who cares that the camera does not have a "pro" body colour when it can take "pro" quality pictures?
fire3000: I need a high zoom camera with high resolution at full zoom. If I were to put a Nikon 300 mm zoom lens on this camera how would the pics compare to a bridge superzoom such as Nikon P510 or Sony HX200V? If I were to test the two I would shoot a car license plate at 1,000 feet and compare the sharpness and brightness of the photos.
I will disagree,300mm zoom is not comparable to 1000mm zoom of Nikon P510 at all. Look at these pics made with Nikon:http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af289/DIKHNFS/P510_zoom_0111.jpg
Such zoom power is simply impossible on a DSLR without spending $20 000 for a 15 lbs zoom lens.
Wintergreen: Don't agree to give them credit. They should finish their products "before" selling them, not "after".
Yes they created fine cameras but, for the X10 as well as the X100, you really get the impression that they rushed them out without proper testing and validation. You don't inspire confidence with that.
I like those 2 camera, but as we say in France : "qui aime bien, chatie bien"
Exactly,ORB is not a big issue at all for any educated customer.Everyone can test the camera and return it back to the shop simply by following standard return policyor at least read online review before manking "buy" decisions.Ones who kept it and continue complaining should partially blame themselves.And it is nice to see that Fuji spent time and money to fix it for ones who are still unsatisfied.
Another side-by-side comparisonfrom DP samplesof overall sharpness, details, noise, and focus for real-world scenarios.(To avoid pixel peeping resolution was down-sampled by factor 1.65X)
There is very very slight difference in sharpnesswhere old sensor showed tiny bit more details on the label in the middle and in the white lines in the upper right corner of the image.Also old sensor showed a bit more shadow details in the lower left corner of the image.
Again differences are very minor and probably not visible on the prints.