Ok guys, time to put your bets. Who says DPReview Staff gets the 7DMk.2 review done before the a77mk.2????
Cheng Bao: For those complaining about AVCHD and no XAVC codec:
XAVC code is licensed by sony only, so it is fair to any company other than sony not offering XAVC
But AVCHD is also licensed by Sony AND Panasonic...
2nd picture should have won the overall competition...but maybe that's just me and the judges know way more.
AndreSJ: Samsung seem to be doing what they did with Mobile and TV's and making a product for every possible consumer
That 300mm Sure is going to push other manufacturers to stup up on their lens designs. I couldnt live without my iFunction is anymore haha
Rooru S: If they want professionals to take Sony seriously, they shouldn't stop R&D of A-mount lenses. There is a bunch of lenses that need an update quickly and there are serious holes in the A-mount lineup (for example, a set of constant F4 zoom lenses to complement the SAL1635Z, SAL2470Z, SAL70200G).
And if we talk about Camera bodies...where is the 1DX/D4s competitor that many professionals prefer to use? What about a proper D800 competitor with a proper AF module? Right now the a99 is only competing against the D600/6D and is losing.
Right now the Minolta Engineers are thinking what the hell they're doing with Sony after they're leaving A-mount in the dust...
Where is Contax now? Are they still making cameras? No? Well... Canon and Nikon are still making a lot of money from the professional Bussiness in massive quantities while Sony is struggling and if they keep focusing only in E-mount, I see a dark future for Sony.
Did you check about the corporate tax differences between Japan and South Korea? That thing alone can make a huge difference in favor of Korean manufacturers.
If you have two products, each one performs the same function equally, the company that will win, is the one that can make more money with less investment and expenses. Now, Which one I will buy? The one that cost more, because in my experience with Samsung, (2 washing machines) has proven to be fatal compared to Panasonic...but even If I prefer the one that doesn't break down (a japanese company in this case), the company that will be making more money, is the korean. Why? See again the corporate tax difference between Japan and South Korea.
plamens: Except 28/2 all of the lenses are HUGE!!The main concept of the mirrorless is the small size, but with these HUGE lenses..Absolutely meaningless!!!They are even bigger and heavier than the same DSLR lenses!Sony, please consider to make small lenses, like olympus, panasonic, fujifilm and samsung stuffs! That because I would not buy any of them! Maybe except 28/2:)
Abortabort: the Samsung (50-150 F2.8) is smaller than the 70-200 F4...
peevee1: Still don't have 85mm or pro zooms, yet making ANOTHER 35mm.And if their 35/2.8 is ridiculously overpriced at $800, I hate to think how much they would ask for 4 times more light.
Overpriced? Say that to Zeiss and their manual-focus, manual-aperture ZM 35mm f/2.8.
If they want professionals to take Sony seriously, they shouldn't stop R&D of A-mount lenses. There is a bunch of lenses that need an update quickly and there are serious holes in the A-mount lineup (for example, a set of constant F4 zoom lenses to complement the SAL1635Z, SAL2470Z, SAL70200G).
No, I said "others manufacturers do exactly the same thing" but the difference is on company expenses and production costs.
I said "trying to say that Samsung success is purely on their products design is dull", not that their products are dull.
And what I meant is, if every single manufacturer, offered almost the same thing, with a different brand name, the company that will be getting the best result is the one that can make that product with less expenses, this way, you can either, invest on making more products or invest the money on other things. That's why I said you better check out Corporate Taxes differences between South Korea and Japan.
@ecube. If you want to go that way...Sorry but my cameras and lenses says MADE IN JAPAN.
My point is. Japan is one of the most expensive countries in the world, you know that right?
And to take it a little bit further... Just look at the corporate tax in Japan vs the corporate tax in South Korea. Trying to say that Samsung success is purely on their products design is dull. If many manufacturers offer the same thing, but one took over the other, it's not by design. Want to know why? because even if both are made in China, you have to take into account the company expenses and production costs of certain key parts (just because it says MADE IN CHINA, that doesn't mean all components are made there... maybe they're assembled there).
Other manufacturers do exactly the same thing. And the only difference I see is how cheap is for Samsung to make something vs. how expensive is for other Japanese manufacturers to do the same thing.
Production costs and company expenses are different between Japan and South Korea.
Lab D: Look what Samsung did to Sony and others in the smartphone and TV sectors.Now they have their eye on APS-C ILCs.
Thanks to costs in South Korea vs. Japan. Japan is one of the most expensive countries in the world.
Rooru S: So far, EVERYTHING in Photokina by Sony is aimed for E-mount cameras. Maybe it's time to sell everything I got of A-mount and jump ship?
Like me, there are a lot of people who invested heavily in A-mount thinking there was a clear and bright future. But making no announcements at all of A-mount equipment in one of the largest photographic trade shows is worrying and this silence says a lot about Sony marketing strategy...
Rooru S: Excellent range. Hopefully it will perform great. Now I'm questioning myself why buy again E-mount APS-C cameras...
But f/2.8 is f/2.8 for exposures purposes. You don't get the same thing when you set a camera in f/2.8 and 1/60s and f/4 and 1/60s. and ISO100 fixed.
Rooru S: WHAT THE HELL IS SONY WAITING FOR?
aherm... It's still hard to believe Sony doesn't have a 16-50mm f/2.8 and a 50-150mm f/2.8 for their APS-C E-mount cameras... When they released the 16-50mm f/2.8 SSM for their APS-C A-Mount cameras back then in 2011, I thought a 50-150mm will follow. Nope, they released a slow 55-300 with crappy SAM motors.
In Latin-America, most a77 users got themselves the 16-50mm so there is an important market for APS-C lenses but it seems they prefer people to go away when they learn the 70-200mm f2.8 SSM II is 3000USD...Now imagine how E-mount users feel.
What if I need F2.8 for exposure purposes? And this 50-150mm f/2.8 is SMALLER than the 70-200 f/4. There are OBVIOUS advantages when it comes to keep the APS-C E-mount lineup small, but that is negated when you put a fullframe lens on it..
Interesting copy of Sony/Minolta 300mm ;)
Now I'm looking at Samsung a little bit more serious with the recent offerings...
DPReview Staff..Any insights why Sony decided to not announce anything related to A-mount in one of the biggest -if not the biggest- show in the photographic world?
This stand reports says everything we must know about Sony...they don't take seriously their user base. Maybe it's time to jump from the A-mount wagon?
Impulses: Sony's QX concept as it exists today hasn't exactly caught fire with consumers, but I think enthusiasts would be a lot more interested in it if they made slimmer models with prime lenses instead of zooms... 1" sensor + pancake 35mm or 50mm or both, something with RX100 IQ but cheaper and easy to pocket alongside a phone, what's not to like? Stacking a zoom on just makes it unwieldy. Maybe Olympus will pick up the ball here, MFT sensor with something like the Pana 20 or 14 on it, easy to pocket and easy to slap on any phone.
What you just said, can be done with the QX1 and one of those pancakes Sony is making (SEL16F28, SEL20F28 and SELP1650)
But it's F4. APS-C Users shouldn't be limited by fullframe standards. If any other APS-C manufacturer got their F2.8 Zoom lenses, why the heck E-mount users has to stay with F4?
I'm not concerned about range, I'm concerned about the lack of F2.8 APS-C dedicated lenses.