dartmoorman: I have been shooting with a Canon G1X which I like for trekking. I was very much looking forward to finding something that extended the range, was good at macro and was wider. The RX10 seemed to fit the bill. But £1049 for what we are being shown. I think not. These photos have revived my interest in the Fuji X-E1. I shall reserve final judgment until the serious reviews and user experiences appear. I was an early adopter with the G1X and never regretted it, but if these photos are it I wont be with the RX10.
@HowaboutRAW"The Canon doesn't use a BSI sensor. " well, personally, I don't care about the spec sheet if it doesn't bring me better result.Here, the G1X sensor is not BSI, and what? the results are sill ahead the RX100II by a good margin. The RX10 just cannot reach the sensitivity of this nearly APS-c sensor, even after 2 years.Don't let maketing BS fool you.
The point to care about : is the RX10 lens brighter enough to match (or beat) the g1x when zoomed in? There is a 2 stop advantage for the Sony (f/2.8 vs f/5.6). We'll see.
Gesture: Thanks for posting. Olympus and Panasonic have umpteen M43 models. They could try a similar concept with micro 43 sensor.
" they can't do 1-inch and cant do larger than m43. " Maybe they don't need to?rx100 => answered by GM1aps-c dslr? => answered by omd'sok, for full frame, it's another history. But the µ43 mount can receive a full frame sensor. So maybe they'll make some bodies...
Please could you explain why you did the test shots at f/5.6?- first, it's not représentative of the typical use for this kind of camera. They are often used full opened or a bit stopped down, but not that much (mini. aperture is f/8)- second, I saw some test saying that the g16 lens is best around f/2, diffraction loss being visible right from f/4 (Chasseur d'images magazine).
I know it will not change the whole story, but it seems a bit unfair imho.
white shadow: @ Ajax2u
You are right. After all the hype about the RX100M2, I tested the camera a few days ago. Despite all the good things people say about it, I find the camera is not as user friendly as my G12 or the G16. What's very good about the G12 is you get all the important dials (controls) like ISO, mode and exposure compensation up front and not in the menu. Sometimes, I wish my DSLR has that too. You get to change those variables in an instant. The grip is also better. 10Mp on the G12 is more than enough. I shot a night scene resting the camera on a rail and could make an A3 enlargement with it using ISO100, f/4.0 and 5sec exposure.
The G series has much better macro capabilty, useful for casual closeup shots of flowers and still life. Battery life is longer.
One can get an underwater housing for the G series but I am not so sure about the RX100M2.
So, even if the G series has a smaller sensor, it is a more versatile camera to use.
again, the full g16 review on Camera Lab says the G16 is a bit more reactive than RX100. So in this field at least, Canon allready upped the game.
Rachotilko: The only reservantion against this camera is that it should have EVF instead of OVF. It alone would make the camera probably smaller and certainly much more usable.
Re "ridiculously small sensor" comments: you guys are ridiculously uninformed. Despite the RX100 1" sensor, it can provide serious IQ advantage over 1/1.7" on wide end only. The lens is not bright enough at mid-to-tele, and does not resolve closeups well enough
I agree. please have a look to the Camera Lab review.the whole story is not so "black & white" as people seems to like.As an exemple, the g16 offer a shallower dof for portraits, have better macro capabilities, better continuous shooting mode, and according this review, a bit better AF.
pixperfect: I would like to know about the body of the G16, metal or plastic?I am comparing the Canon G16 and the Nikon P7800. I would like to know where the Canon G16 is made? I know the Nikon P7800 is made in China and I have heard that the Canon G16 is made in Japan.Between 2 cameras, one made in Japan and the other one made in China, I guess that most people will buy the one made in Japan, even though the P7800 has a better lens.
Nope.... full metal boby. The thick black coating is misleading like on my S95 and other G cameras. But i don't know if it's one piece magnesium or magnesium sheets screwed ond stainless steel frame...
audiomay: Anyone knows if in video mode, the zoom continues to be Digital? Although I use my G12 mainly for photos, I also like to use the video to catch my children's playing around and doing funny stuff, like any father :), but is annoying to see the pixels on the TV, every time I use the zoom during the recording…I love my G12, but I don´t mind to upgrade to the G16 if this issue already disappeared.
they upgraded this on the G16 : Optical zoom is working during videos. so no more quality loss. (have a look on youtube.
Hachu21: To DPR :What about focus peaking?What about handheld HDR?What about the exposure time up to 250s and the new nightscenes?And the background defocus mode? Is it a useless gadget or not?
Even for a "first impression", please speak about the new functions.
And... are you sure the sensor is the same?Canon's sites are making a difference- G15 = CMOS sensor- G16 = BSI CMOS sensor
Thanks for the review.
I missed the peaking passage. Thanks for your reply.
To DPR :What about focus peaking?What about handheld HDR?What about the exposure time up to 250s and the new nightscenes?And the background defocus mode? Is it a useless gadget or not?
Infared: Why?..and its ugly.ya know...Canon has been off the mark a LOT these days.This situation kind of reminds me of RIM/Blackberry...of course it should be RINM.Research (Not) In Motion.
cgarrard, did you heard about the M success? I think we can call that a fail from Canon. And the mirorless market is not a niche anymore.
CameraLabTester: What really should be done here is side-by-side images of G15 AND G16.
Then run a contest: Spot the picture taken by the real G16!
Pixel zombies will have a heyday.
Add RX100 I & II to the side by side too.I know RX's will be better, but i want to evaluate the size of the step...Just to know if the sony is such a no brainer as people like to describe it.
Just "cosmetic improvements"? are you sure?- new sensor + new image processor- faster autofocus and reduced shooting time lag ( http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/product/cameras/powershot_g16.do )- one of the fastest continuous shooting (9.5fps limited to...one hour)- focus peaking for manual focus on stills and videos- handheld HDR and nightscene- exposure time up to 250s- background defocus mode (2 pictures stacked, not the average "paintbrush style filter")- 60p fullHD moviesWell... if i agree there's no "killer feature", you can't say it's nothing! (and "minor update" is a bit abusive too!)
Are those locked to iso100 when manual exposure time is set >1s (like g15 and s110)???
Hachu21: hello DPR,
I noticed that many frames have been taken with small apertures around f/8 or f/9.I know that such small apertures noticeably reduce picture's sharpness with my S95.Is this the case with the D20 and his different lens system? Maybe there's no diaphragm and only an ND filter?
Thanks in advance for giving additional details.
Regards from France,Harold.
Sorry, I didn't get your point... My Canon S95 has a real iris diaphragm and I can close down to F/8.0 on the whole range (no nd filter on this compact).But at f/8.0, image quality is slightly reduced because of diffraction.On the D20, minimal aperture is f/8.0 (wide) to f/10 (zoom).So when the review says "images are on the soft side" with a picture taken at f/9.... I suspect all camera can be soft when used at minimal aperture (because of diffraction). But maybe there's no iris and so, no diffraction effect? I can't find this info on the net...
The lens on this cameraphone is brighter than the Leica X-vario one.#oh!wait...
what's the différences between elite and standard? Didn't found that...EDIT : forget that, just found the info.
Marty4650: OK, I don't get it.
Clearly, the older P300 has better image quality. The side by side comparisons clearly prove it.
And Amazon probably knows this too, since they are selling the new P310 for $20 less than the older P300. And the joke of the day is that Amazon will sell you a brand new Pen EPL1 (with lens) for less money than a P310.
So where is the upgrade? You come back a year later, spend more money, get 4 more MP, and end up a camera with the same specs and body but with worse image quality.
All you really get in this new model is the ability to capture photos at a truly horrid ISO 6400 setting, rather than a truly horrid ISO 3200. This is a nice little pocket camera for snapshots, but there really isn't much point of using it over base ISO. And yes, despite these shortcomings, it still beats the pants off a camera phone. If the target market even cares.
And considering the similarity with last year's P300, this upgrade is totally unnecessary.
hmm... yes! Canon Elph 500 HS (Ixus 310 HS). just one exemple, there are some other models in the same range.
Maybe when they'll be able to catch a finalized production model?
Your question is interesting but the Pentax Espio 115 have a 38-115mm f/4.0-8.0 zoom.Not even close to Canon's 28-112mm F/2.8-5.8So smaller sensor but wider and faster lens, a big flip-out screen, a flash hot shoe and a lot of manual button for fast and direct access on settings... that's why the G1-X is bigger.