Mark Chan: Use cases:
Aerial photography on drones; much better Q than gopros and lighter than the SONY equivalent (with the lens). I can imagine using this with the lens cap lens and doing video shots!
extreme angle photography
Time lapses with a water proof casing / weather proof casing
IF the sensor package is that from the EMII - and the 1/16000 seems to hint somewhat to that, then wireless tethering for product shots??
Just give me access to the device to play!
the PANA do do quite well; I dunno whether it does wifi tethering though.
I found out that no the Olympus Air doesn't do IBIS...a pity.
Felix E Klee: Being able to program a camera opens up new creative possibilities - I love the idea! More: http://opc.olympus-imaging.com/
There already are some hacks: https://www.facebook.com/olympus.hmprj
Price is 36,504 JPY: https://shop.olympus-imaging.jp/product/select/catcd/2313
Sth. else: How about a super-slim viewfinder-only camera that can be paired with a smartphone?
THAT viewfinder concept! Takes the cake!
I would so want a google glass style viewfinder!
Or at least a physical attachment to the device so you only need to use it - top down style!
Mark Chan: I wonder why you didnt't try to put the 35-100mm and 40-150mm f2.8s of the m43 system into this - yes I know you are discussing APS-C, but shouldn't such discourse include m43 too given that the photo quality is now there similar.
Richard, missed that section. Actually, whilst there is no 70-200mm to 'reach out for (save the sigma 70-200mm fourthird version i think), I have always had discussions with friends when they bring out their 70-200mm and see my 50-200mm SWD; on the EM-1.
So if you are speaking of 'alternatives', and are taking into account mirrorless, you might as well discuss the merits and demerits of similar systems, particularly since the tech is there (the big white elephant not mentioned is that 40-150 OLY; unless you want to mention the 35-100mm F2 OLY).
My two cents anyway.p.s. There are also those that ask if they could get that speed booster and install 70-200mm onto OLY/PANA cameras.I have one such friend next to me.
I wonder why you didnt't try to put the 35-100mm and 40-150mm f2.8s of the m43 system into this - yes I know you are discussing APS-C, but shouldn't such discourse include m43 too given that the photo quality is now there similar.
Marty4650: Should the lack of an accessory port be a negative for the EM10?
Ask yourself why the accessory port exists....
1. To attach a flash2. To attach a Penpal WIFI connector3. To attach a microphone
The EM10 has all three built right in, making the accessory port totally unnecessary. And by removing it, Olympus "toned down" the hump, which was actually makes the EM10 look more like an OM1 than the EM5 does.
If you are keen on video, PANA GX7 is probably a better choice. The EPL-7 is a rather boring update to the EPL-5/6. the 3 main things I see it providing are 1. quality build, 2. WIFI (remarkably useful if you go about a lot - not useful with video though) and 3. that 180 degree capable screen.
I am a bit dissapointed OLY didn't put in that extra scroller as the EM-10 has.
Again, video is the letdown - UNLESS, OLY is waiting to announce that with the forthcoming firmware update for its OLY cameras (rumour).
Oh and to whoever mentioned OLY lens are 'worse' than PANA; I respectfully disagree; they are more optically perfect than most of the PANA lenses that require in-camera digital modification. My 25mm f1.4 has fringing that you won't see on PANA bodies. But use a 45mm f1.8 on a pana body produces the same quality - save for the image stabilization that PANA bodies don't (all) have yet.
Mark Chan: Continuing from my post below
The EPL-7 is a boring update - and I hope the -EP-5 successor will have that viewfinder inbuilt, but I don't think one should complain about it being a disappointment when it is capable of striding the line between point and shoot upgrade - for those that just don't bother to do their homework, and as a serious compact alternative to large dslrs for those that need it with a bit of fiddling - for those that do their homework.rant off
I don't see any reviewer discussing the auto mode of the oly cameras here; the discussion i am making is for the perceived inability of the camera to be capable.
Your comment makes for an interesting question: can dpreview attempt to compare the auto modes of all the majors lens changeable cameras to see which one is the 'most intelligent? Richard could you consider this as a review?'
I am saying it is good enough as it is for most people. It is also ready for people that have put in the work to understand the complexity it can go. I mean I don't think it's very clever to provide all options to a customer then have him call back 1-3 times complaining about a changed setting they don't realize they caused. And I am bein an adhoc customer service officer for oly helping the 6-7 friends around me that chose to buy oly on my advise here; some REALLY don't read much.
I absolutely agree that the SCP should be in the menu setting option with the 'format card' setup.
I do strongly feel the additional button press for exposure compensation is a moot argument - although frankly I did expect they would put in two dials aka the EM-10.
Continuing from my post below
From the start of your review, I have gotten this impression you wrote it in a 'snarky' mindset - negative from the start almost.
One answer I can think of to your lament for the exposure compensation is the situation of the GM1; each time you take it out the settings are changed.
I absolutely agree regarding the SCP that should really be set by default.
I actually find the OLY system structure very straight forward to use. Obviously, I would expect anyone worth their photo, to read up on the manual before working into their camera.
On this very point; I know a few people that just got a new OLY and keep asking me how to set this or do that, when all they are describing are in the manual.
A friend came complaining to me that OLY customer service broke his camera as the shutter was slow to move. It turns out he had fiddled with the antis hock settings.
bgbs: I'm waiting for the day to come when our Speed Lights could be like mini-drones (or like little humming birds) that could stand still in mid air without a stand. Via algorithms they could quickly reposition themselves to enable you to take different shots. And be able to follow the subject on their own...etc.
I suddenly imagine photographers reimagined as the V gundaml with its satellites lasers / flashes. haha
I purchased the parrot for the school i am working at, with the aim to produce footage of students participating in various activities. I have also purchased the HX-A500 from Panasonic so I can get footage 'at an angle' - 4K / 1920 60P no less. The beauty of the PANA is you can keep the main body on top of the quad, and have the lens / glass point downward, NOT covering any of the other sensors found on the belly of the flying device.
Hope I can get some decent images in the coming school year.
Mark Chan: Well, illegal migrants rick their lives for a better life.
There was a time in the distant past when people undertaking similar steps gained access to a world of opportunities.
The migrants these days still cling to that belief; or maybe they are betting everything (life, family, loved ones etc.) to get away from something.
Hong Kong is built on the efforts of migrants that flocked to what was then one of the few 'politically' stable outcrops of land close to Mainland China in the aftermath of the second world war and the start of the civil war.
The previous generation (at least those that are now well to do) speak of the hardships they endured; of their being part of the post war baby boom and having to live in squatters and stuff - all that are akin to what today's illegal migrants have to 'endure'.
It is a prime target; sadly people are getting in but making things worse along the way.
Pay equiv. 6 - 10 million HKD and you get in. And in the process you push up all property prices (a good excuse to legalize dirty money)
Get your kid to be born in HK and you are in (if you are of chinese nationality).
Have a family member in Hong Kong (Spouses often had families across the border)? You are in.
Yet it is a fact Hong Kong's current status as one of the world's financial hubs and a former dominant player in the garment industry was built on the sweat, toil and blood of these 'illegal migrants'. What I understand is if you were able to reach a police station before cops got you, you could register and get an id card. This was abolished after the late 70s / early 80s.
Now in Hong Kong, we are lamenting the fact that a 'mainland horde' of dependents are migrating into Hong Kong that just going to receive social benefits without contributing to society.
One has to wonder though, if there are no sufficiently paying jobs to be taken up and there are no opportunities to be provided, what do you expect when such migrants (legal or illegal) come knocking?
The problem really is that the 'Haves' are intent at all cost to keep themselves 'having', and don't want one bit to be given to the 'have nots'.
Well, illegal migrants rick their lives for a better life.
This is probably by far the best iption for a simple installation of a video camera on amateur drones like the AR Parrot; you strapp the camera above the case and hoodwink the camera at an angle underneath the drone'a own camera; beats having to damage / modify the hull when playing with gopro or jvc or any other sports camera.
On my shopping list! Now when is it available in japan or Asia?
harold1968: The e-m1 is the same size, weight and price.The sony handling is better (I have used both, at most it's a taste thing), the e-m1 has slightly faster focuses (but still hunts in low light)The sensor is far inferior compared to the A7, it even has noise in base ISO.Yet dpreview describe its IQ as excellent and yet the A7s as very good.For sure something is going on with this review.
Er handling is better? Nope; you may be right it may well be a taste problem, but no from the many others outside of this forum (kirk tuck, EOSHD etc.) is bound to mean something; so that's my consensus on poor handling there.
I am not going to compare FF with m43 or even aps-c on image quality; clearly it'll be a win - the interesting bit is the OOC JPEG lets it down; this is by far the best feature of OLY cameras, and no you haven't the experience with that that comes with more time with the camera.
The worst thing about the SONY is the sounds it makes and the generally lackluster responsiveness in comparison to the GH3 and the OMD E-M1. But wait a generation or two, it should get there and be up to task by then.
The funny thing at EOSHD is that they say the E-M1 (OLY is not known for its video) produces better video vs the A7(R?).
DPreview editors, could you please enlighten me (us) how to activate the tone curve settings? I haven't been able to get to the secret chamber...
lancespring: The UN clearly needs to punish China for its blatant destruction of the earth's environment. The Chinese are the world's worst criminals when it comes to promoting Global Warming, which threatens the lives of everyone on our planet.
Yet another clear indication of the corruption and lack of morality that exists within the Communist Party leadership in China.
Wow. Where millions ride a bicycle everyday - out of necessity; versus where millions drive a car everyday - out of necessity. Right China produced lots of CO2 out of spite of the world.
Mike Sandman: The billboards are both amusing and sad. I've visited "emerging" cities for the last 40 years, from Sao Paulo to Bangkok. and the story has been the same. Duringl industrialization air and water pollution is similar to what you see in China. CO2 is not the problem -- it's particulates in the air from manufacturing & from coal-fired power plants and cars/motorbikes.
Much of what you see in Hong Kong's air drifts in from plants in Shenzen (just over the border from HK). Over time, public pressure mounts and air quality improves, sometimes rather dramatically -- witness Los Angeles in 1970 vs today, or London. Boycotting China may be emotionally gratifying to some, but it won't help Hong Kong as much as public pressure in the locality itself. Wait a few years and you'll see better skies in China. Meanwhile, visit HK in the winter and you'll have a good chance to see Victoria Peak. http://www.flickr.com/photos/99183821@N00/6246665966/in/photolist-avZNam
Visit Hong Kong during July and August and your chances of seeing a Hong Kong backed by OLYMPUS blue skies are that much better. Winter in Hong Kong is droll with 8 - 11 km visibilities