cainn24: Still no fully electronic shutter for properly silent shooting? Still no continuous shooting when using 0-sec anti-shock (aka EFCS)?
Are you implying that these features would be impossible to implement without a sensor upgrade, or that my requests are unreasonable?
In any case, just to fantasize for a minute, yes, I'll take a 24MP BSI thanks.
Still no fully electronic shutter for properly silent shooting? Still no continuous shooting when using 0-sec anti-shock (aka EFCS)?
Tom Caldwell: Actually I would suggest that the GM1 is more of an enthusiast camera than the GM5 which leans to a less enthusiast ease of use evf. "to make it easier". Enthusiast means offering a challenge to the user to make it work well. Point and shoot means "easy living" to get "acceptable" images but incapable of doing much more no matter how you try.
So if you look for easy living then you can use the GM1/5 as such, but a camera that bring out enthusism must always be an enthusiast camera. To see it otherwise is more a user problem than a problem with the camera itself
You seemed to be arguing that the GM1 was more of an enthusiast camera than the GM5 because the GM5's EVF made it easier to use. That is a bizarre argument all by itself for what should be obvious reasons, but just in case they are not just do a quick inventory of all the top of the line cameras that pretty much ONLY appeal to professionals and enthusiasts and make a note of which ones have viewfinders and which ones don't. And that's to say nothing of the fact that you went on to imply that the GM5 was somehow less capable than the GM1 just because the EVF rendered it more of an "easy living" offering.
But moreover, all of these cameras are marketed to casual users and enthusiasts alike. This is evidenced by the fact that they include both beginner-level and enthusiast-level features and modes. So I would submit that it is not the camera itself that dictates "enthusiasm" but rather the person who is using it. I would think that would be rather obvious.
That is one of the most bizarre pieces of reasoning related to camera gear I've ever encountered.
HowaboutRAW: The Lollipop OS supports raw, right?
To be honest I find the suggestion that RAW is pointless for small sensors to be quite ridiculous. In fact the opposite is true: RAW is _more_ important for small sensors because gaining better control over the noise reduction/sharpening equation can make all the difference in the world. And this is not quite so necessary for larger formats most of the time.
nerd2: RX100III is more compact, has much faster lens (even in equivalence), and has better ISO capability due to the BSI sensor.
Even the GM5, hampered as it is in the context of DxO's testing methodology by lower bit depth RAW output when the electronic shutter is utilized (in the service of facilitating faster sensor readouts so rolling shutter artifacts are minimized), still fared better than the Sony 1"-type sensor in SNR, DR, tonal range and color sensitivity at every ISO above 200 (which again should prompt us all to ask "what is the point of the overall sensor score, exactly?"). And in any case in the real world the mechanical shutter can be utilized most of the time putting the GM5's performance back on par with the GX7 at lower ISO's.
Sure, the RX100 III has some advantages. And for some people they are quite significant. Please feel free to talk about them. Brag about them even. But there's no need to exaggerate.
Potemkin_Photo: might as well bubble wrap and sell at walmart. not for the MSRP though, but more like $99 with 50 free prints.
Errr, what are "prints"?
The Sony 1"-type sensor isn't better at all. It may punch above its weight but the latest Panasonic 4/3"-type sensor remains superior in terms of SNR, DR, tonal range, color sensitivity etc. See: http://tinyurl.com/ozqvxkf
Peiasdf: If all you plan to do is use the kit lens RX100 and G7X are far better choices. In fact, my G7X with the "slow" option under auto-ISO amazes me with its IQ and IS.
Yeah, the super-compacts won't beat m4/3 or APS-C with fast primes or good zooms but those lenses are $500+ and requires an enthusiast to use.
Canon G7 X ≠ Panasonic GX7. One is a fixed-lens 1"-type format camera and the other is a 4/3"-type MILC.
Canon's marketing department really need a swift kick up for butt for this problematic similarity in designation.
Drama: No viewfinder = defect camera
He rolled a 20 as far as I am concerned.
rpm40: What is wrong with people wanting to take the occasional self shot or group shot with them in it? For many, if not most, hobby photographers, the documentary aspect of photographs is part of the appeal. Years later, photos of friends and family are often the most cherished. People like to be able to look back to remember their lives and loved ones.
Maybe people are lashing back more against the silly word "selfie" than anything else.
Maybe many people interested in photography feel more comfortable behind the lens and out of the spotlight (I see a bit of this in myself) and so they have trouble relating to those that want to be in front of the lens.
Maybe photography "purists" around here just see it as fueled primarily by new technology like smartphones and social media, and since for many of these folks new must be bad, so it puts them off.
Whatever it is- getting all riled up and raising your blood pressure about it is silly.
Who's getting riled up? Personally I am quite capable of helping to stir up a storm in a teacup without becoming the least bit tense about it. Really ;)
cainn24: I hate it. I don't care if it's irrational, or if six thousand million other people love it, I hate it. I feel that the encroachment of all this social media friendly nonsense somehow spells the beginning of the end of the unadulterated enthusiast camera tradition, and that bothers me deeply.
Swing and a miss.
Bluetrain048: Some of us go take pictures to get as far away from social media as possible..
Well apparently the internet is now "the cloud" and any form of online communication is "social media". I guess that would retroactively include mediums such as Usenet (back when it was mostly used for actual communication instead of sharing warez and porn) and dial-up bulletin boards.
Yeah, I don't buy it either ;)
straylightrun: "oh boo hoo I hate selfies, people shouldn't be having fun taking photos and sharing it with their friends online"
You guys sound old, lonely and bitter... someone call the retirement village, the grandpas have escaped again!
That's how I want to go out: a dramatic escape from a retirement village followed by the stirring up of a final batch of controversy.
Although I must admit to having bigger fish to fry than this epidemic of obsessive over-documenting of one's life (and face) ;)
rurikw: Maybe the front-facing screen feature should be renamed "cathedral ceiling screen", it is very useful when shooting architecture.
Real men don't care about vertebral compression and the ensuing headaches.
Pierre Couture: I love the French word for selfie: "Égoportrait" ;-)
This guy is the selfie master: http://tinyurl.com/pbm36ap
I said exactly what I meant to say, and I meant exactly what I said. No more, no less.
I hate it. I don't care if it's irrational, or if six thousand million other people love it, I hate it. I feel that the encroachment of all this social media friendly nonsense somehow spells the beginning of the end of the unadulterated enthusiast camera tradition, and that bothers me deeply.
tkbslc: Specs don't sound that bad to me, why the negative commentary?
Because essentially, it isn't anything.
sans culotte: One more article explaining why this "equivalence" concept is a complete rubbish:https://photographylife.com/sensor-crop-factors-and-equivalence
That article has been given the treatment it deserves here: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54845745