Gesture: Nikon=continuous improvement.
That Mac Pro was a real incremental upgrade ;). Continuous improvements make sense until there is a big reason to change. On sensor PDF once it reaches majurity will be a big reason to rethink the pro cameras. The Sony A6000 is the first hint of how fast a system like that can be. Not yet in full frame and not all the features of the top Canon and Nikon systems yet, but not that many years out. EVF is also close but not quite as good as the best FF cameras. But we have not seen what the vendors could do with the budget for a viewfinder in a $7000 camera versus the budget for a $1400 camera. The final stage will be fully electronic shutters up and past 1/8000 sec.
ondrejbobek: Not bad, but 1D-X has faster fps, more sRAW options and stiil better(?) AF fort sports (much, much faster USM lenses)... hopefully better colors are true (from D600/D4/D800 its really hard to work with this "in tests great sensors").
Some Nikon sensors are made by Sony but not all, the D4 is not.
The Photo Ninja: Tech question: after reading the specs, it seems like 1080p will offer higher resolution (i.e. high bitrate). So if the ultimate goal is to output to 1080p. Are you better to shoot 4K so you can crop or just shoot 1080p at 200Mbps?
4096x2160*10*24=2,123,366,400 or 2.1Gbits/s. It would depend on the external recorder what got saved. I am not in the field but I believe some of the Sony camcorders had rates up to around 600 mb/s, not sure what the external recorders can do.
Joel Benford: If you guys don't mind an ignorant question from a stills shooter asking out of curiosity... When we say "external recorder" for 10 bit, what sort of size/weight/PSU/price are we talking there? Is it the size of a margarine tub, or a shoebox? And how many zeroes on the price?
They are not huge, depends on capacity and features. The are designed to be attached to a typical video rig. Prices from $500 or so for HD if you want 4K, built in monitor and such then prices rise.
TimT999: Wow. I'm surprised that DP Review made such an amateur mistake. The review compared the Zeiss' image quality against the Canon EF 50mm f/1.8. Canon has two 50mm lenses that are considered far better than the 50mm 1.8 -- the f 1.4 and f 1.2. So why use the 1.8 -- at $100 it's the cheapest lens Canon sells.
It's true that the Zeiss is a 1.8. But anyone who is a pro shooter would be looking at Canon's 1.4 or 1.2. So DP should have used a Canon lens of comparable value and cost and then dialing one of those lenses up to 1.8 to do an apples to apples comparison.
The review mentions in several places the lens performs better than the other makers f/1.4 lenses as well, in terms of sharpness. It is hard to compare with the high end Canon lenses as the DXO is a coupled lens-camera test and only Sony and Nikon have a 36 MP sensor to test with.
Elaka Farmor: If it had 4K 120fps I would sell my apartment and buy two :-D
Interview with Phase one management on Luminous Landscape, states the sensor will output at 30 Hz, but they are not doing video. Potentially another maker, Sony is selling the sensor to anyone, will make an 8K 24fps video camera from it.
DStudio: JPEG output is very important - especially in our fast moving digital media society. There are many times when you NEED to use JPEG output, because it's impossible or impractical to do otherwise.
The fact that Sony can't get good JPEG output out of their own camera and sensor is a sign that it's not refined enough yet. JPEG output quality is fundamental, and should've been a given, at the top of the design list.
In that case, rapid forward to editor, it is probably only getting printed small or on the web. Yes, Sony has issues with JPEG but it is plenty good enough for anything but large prints.
RandyPD: I wonder if the reviewer used any adapters with a an AF confirm chip on it...I used one for m42 lenses and it helps in lower light.
The chips help in low light. You can often get a green square, with nothing peaking at all. My experience is with the A77 not the nex series but the lens does have to be moderately sharp for the peaking to work. An old lens wide open may just not be sharp enough for good peaking behavior. Plus peaking gives false positives that it takes a bit of experience to recognize. For crtIcal face pictures you want to see peaking at the iris/ white of the eye junction.
jase: It seems such a shame that Sony didn't put a full size mount on this camera.
The original Sony idea was to make as small an APS-C camera as possible. I do not know if they kept the mount diameter just large enough for full frame on purpose or not. Fuji went even smaller on their X-mount, which may eliminate the possibility of Fuji going FF with the X-mount. Canon with the M series did keep the mount the same diameter, so if they go full frame they will have a better platform to start from.
Sony of course can, and mostly likely will, use this sensor in the A-mount next year, which is a full size mount.
Not the first third party E-mount FF lenses, the Zeiss CP series is also full frame and comes in E-mount. The Samyang's are the first non-cinema lenses.
Otaraka: I find the entire prospect baffling myself. Its not really a 'cheap' snorkelling camera, its not really useful for scuba or keener underwater types who might be willing to pay more due to its depth limits, for a variety of reasons - odd lens ranges, low depth limit, etc.
One really popular reason for an underwater housing vs 'all in one' for these kinds of depths is you can test the housing without the camera vs trying to convince Nikon after the fact that it leaked, and you can also fully concentrate on image quality rather than 'ruggedness' - you can even put a leak detector in, which would be pointless for thise. I can see a lot of complaints in the future with this setup unless it really is 'rugged', and with a removable lens setup, Ill bet you see more with this one than most.
Of course the 6 x 4.5 film format is not 6cm x 4.5cm either it is 56mm x 41.4mm. It might be better to say a 1-inch class sensor or 1-inch type sensor.
wherearemyshorts: $4000 Zeiss Otus 1.4/55
f/1.4 Falloff: 1.59 stops at corner
for a $4000 lens this seems terrible
All lens designs have trade-offs even $4000 ones. The corner fall-off is probably in exchange for better corner sharpness. There are certainly other lenses that have close to the same center sharpness at f/1.4, but none that I have seen that can stand up in the corners.
Apple besides adding cameras to the RAW database does occasionally update the older files as well. I was looking at some of the images I first shot in low light when I got my A77 two years a ago. Aperture offered to update the RAW conversion. I did on one image and not on another similar shot and the difference in quality was small but present. The biggest difference was that with the new profile, or perhaps just changes to Aperture overall, I was able to get a much less noise image now then I could when I first took the image. Yes, you trade some resolution for less noise but at least now I could do that.
mantra: Hithanks for the reviewbut i have never understood how dxo perform such testsfor example a camera like Nikon D5200 that i can buy for 450€ is rated better then canon 1dx or the 5d mark3
or for example the Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX1 better then Phase One IQ180 or Nikon d4
really i tried to read everything ,i have never understood
by the way thanks for the preview !
DXO is rating the sensors not the cameras, The D5200 has a very good sensor.
Digitall: 50mm 1.4 = $1,696.95, Ok...
Sony alpha rumors has some MTF curves for the Zeiss 55mm f/1.4 and the new Sony/Zeiss 55 f/1.8. The Sony looks good at f/1.8 but the Ottus looks really really good, high resolution across the whole frame from f/1.4.
SergeyMS: I am very impressed by RX1R and RX100II, but consider QX, RX10, and new A7 as a mistake of Sony.
The RX10 is the perfect reply to most of the questions in the Beginners forum for what new camera should I buy for taking pictures of the new baby, kids, sports (kid level), videos, etc. Currently the price is a bit high for the new camera buyer who wants to be in the $700 to $1000 window, by next Christmas the price should be better. The real loser I see in the new Sony cameras is the QX line, but then I am an old fogey who does not understand. The FF e-mount is going to need some time to develop a larger lens family but it looks very promising. I bought A-mount instead of E-mount because at the time it had only 3 lenses, now that has gotten much better, and with 15 more lenses by the end of 2015 things are improving.
Deardorff: Something new? How about an 8x10 digital back that can make B&W negatives for contact printing in a real darkroom?
Enought with the whiz bang toys for fools and lawyers with more money than brains
A question, why go to the trouble of making a negative to print from when you can print straight from the digital image? Printing straight from a B&W negative exposed in a view camera makes sense, but why go to the trouble to have a digital camera, then print a B&W negative from the digital when you could just print a positive from the digital information.
Greynerd: Living in gale battered England it is always intriguing how in the US you can build houses on the beach. You must have very good weather most of the time punctuated occasionally by storms of the like we never see.
It depends a bit on the construction methods used, location of dunes, sea walls etc. One issue was that the NJ southern NY area does not get a lot of big storms, the storms for the most part parallel the coast and do more damage in Northern Long Island and Cape Cod. The Outer Banks of North Carolina gets hit by a lot of hurricanes, not just tropical storms like Sandy and the homes normally do fine during the storms. A particularly bad storm will destroy a small percentage of the homes but not the level of damage seen in Sandy. The other difference is flooding, most of the Outer Banks hurricanes are windy but the flood surges are not real large. Sandy did not have real high winds but it did have very high water levels.
Jeff Greenberg: No image stablization.Why? Shame.Need fast zoom, too.
Stabilization is beside and behind sensor, mount distance is not important. Sony, like Canon and Nikon decided to use lens stabilization in the NEX line. If you want a new stabilized sensor FF buy the A99 or whatever comes in 2014.
Photog74: Anyone know if you can use lenses with M42 screw-mounts - or lenses with Pentax K bayonet mounts - on these things (using an adapter, of course)?
Just need to make sure adaptor does not have baffle for APS-c sensor. I do not think any of the m42 to e-mount adaptors were built with them but others may have been.