Marty4650: Eventually, the "gee whiz tech fad" will collapse, and people will start using pencil and paper again. Books and magazines will make a comeback.Someone will market phones with cords that have rotary dials. And phones will return to being "communication devices" rather than high class Ninetendo gameboys.
Checkbooks will replace debit cards. People might even start buying filing cabinets again... to replace their "cloud storage."
All this geek stuff will stop being trendy. It will be cool to be "old school."
It's bound to happen when people get fed up with every new electronic device requiring a $14 a month connection fee.
""I am increasingly annoyed with the now generation that cannot maintain eye contact ""Here here !!neither do they care or don't know about quality. Sorry - just remembered - quality is no longer cool.And its also incredibly fiddly and trime consuming. Suppose we should just join the sheeple and dumb down to instant gratification. That will keep the marketeers VERY happy - goody more money to be cropped from the great farm.
Octane: Being connected and most of all, being able to share your photos instantly is the reasons the majority of people accept limited cell phone camera quality and features over real cameras today already.
I agree, system cameras really need to get connected.
""It's very inconvenient""So is quality. Maybe you don't care or don't know about quality. Sorry - just remembered - quality is no longer cool.And its also incredibly fiddly and trime consuming. Suppose i will just join the sheeple and dumb down to instant gratification.
tkbslc: I think for point and shoot and simple travel photography, the "cloud" and instant facebook/blog of photos is becoming more and more important. I don't think anyone trying to produce fine art or higher end photos is ever going to want to post unedited instant shots to the web.
""Who says you won't be able to edit on camera/phone/whatever device its going to be called ""Are you serious ??Lightroom capability on a camera phone with results comparable to a PC with a dedicated Monitor such NEC or Eizo. You joke of course, or don't acre or don't know about quality. Sorry - just remembered - quality is no longer cool.
Reg Natarajan: It's amusing to me to see how backwards so many people here are about new tech. Lim is 100% right. Unconnected devices will be meaningless. They're already meaningless to me, now. Maybe some of you find the work spent getting photos off your camera and on to Flickr (or whatever you use) to be edifying. I don't. Even today, Eye-Fi gets my photos geotagged, archived and uploaded automatically by walking in the door at home and turning on my camera. The dinosaur is dead.
""The dinosaur is dead""
By extension so then must be pastels, handwriting, art galleries, Picasso, reading print let alone enjoying literary masterpieces like Shakespear.
Sorry - I forgot the brain dead, overconnected zombies of the 21st century have not heard of Shakespear. Probably dont know what a 16 bit image is either. Suspect they just shoot JPEGs on a crappy little camera with a tiny sensor and a huge megapixel count and upload to Flikr thinking its somehow meaningful to anyone but themselves.
dholl: count me out of this cloud thing
Here here!!The Cloud may have stood a chance for me but having read so many comments from Cloud Fascists here I' out of it.
Andy Moreton: Samsung want to make new products and are looking for a USP, and the carriers want to make money from data plans. Notice how the customer doesn't figure in to this at all.
As for automatically backing up your vacation photos while you sleep, I don't think you would get much sleep when you get home and see the size of the bill. My network provider charges for roaming data: £3.07 per MB in EU, £6 per MB outside EU. Which means sending one single 4MB Jpeg from the far east would cost £24. No thanks. Most hotels offer Wifi these days which is likely to be a much cheaper option.
"you don't think the data carriers might understand that they can't charge £24 for each photo?"
I do a REALLY uncool thing. I shoot RAW because I want 16 bit quality. Yesterday I shot 2.7 gig of photos in 2 hours. If I sent this unedited to the Cloud and wanted by bills to be kept reasonable the carriers would make a HUGE LOSS no matter HOW much they tweak schemes.
You guys just DONT GET IT DO YOU. And I dont suppose you even know what 16 bir photos are.
photocine: We already have such a device. It's called all the IPhone. Also available in other flavors based on Android and such.
Check it out!
""The mainstream camera manufacturers are stuck in another century and could easily lose out""
Yes to Samsung who wishes to court those who mindlessly publish unedited drivel into the cloud where it will be mostly ignored or viewed by equally minds equally superficial.Canon and Nikon will conitune to manufacture great cameras. The may also at some point add more conndectivity as it does have a utility value.
tkpenalty: Theres quite a lot of negativity here. That just proves how most thick the ego of a lot photographers are...
""That just proves how most thick the ego of a lot photographers are...""
What is wrong with YOUR ego to make such a statement.Don' suppose you know anything about the history of art.
'So it's a fact that people today already are prefering the convenience of a connected phone over the better quality of a good camera. It's a fact. 'Peolpe are not all the same in what they want to do. Different makets. My wife uses an i phone to take pics. Does not want a camera anymore. I use a FF camera and dont want an iphone to take photographs. Should professionals abandon their gear to shoot just with iphones??Can't understand why its so dificullt to see that different devices are for different types of use and personality.
Why suddenly the iphone and Cloud fascists trying to turn us into clones ??May be there are some growing up now whose minds have been abandoned to the screen.
Klimt z: Looking out a bit further, Imagine sensors in say, your sun glass frames. The imaging is continuous and sees everything you see. Perhaps in holographic 3 D.It transmits itself into the "cloud". Later at home, you view and save what you want. The hobby of photography is gone the way of the photograghers darkroom. All it takes is sensor and computer processing power, just like anything digital. And that has no limit. The human eye will soon be equaled and exceeded. So will the so called photographer himself because he is only a relic of the analog mind. Images will be created and saved and enjoyed ,but they will be automated and effortless.
Are you trying to be controversial or just plain idiotic??So I should no longer visit art galleries as they are just a relic of the pre photgraphic mind ?? Can't be seen to be a dinosaur then. NOT cool !May be I shall jus develop a Cloud relationship with my wife and children. After all face to face human contact is just a relic of the predigital mind - is it not ??
TomServoCA: 'Non-connected devices will be meaningless'
What utter nonsense.
Connectedness of course is incredibly useful. I use Flickr and I use email. I do not yet own an iphone but I might soon.BUT I see here that there is a deep misunderstanding by some participants on this thread about what is meaningful in photography.Photography may be a social mediium, may be a career where customers require a defined quality output, may be fine art where images are hung on gallery walls next to watercolour, Acrylic and oil paintings. These are all valid and meanigful forms. The much vauted coming of Cloud photography does not automatically make all other expressions of photography somehow outdated or less valid. I suspect it is the immature psyche that would contend this to be so - the arrogance of youth that sees newer as better and anything that is old to be discarded.Connectivity and the Cloud are just more strings to the photographic bow, not a revolution to create dinosaurs of great artistic and technical traditions.
Francis Carver: Once Samsung learns how to make some high-end, quality cameras, some of us might actually listen to what they have to say.
I seriously looked at an NZ camera and nealy bought it. In the end the image quality was uninspiring and just (alittle) too soft. I ended up buying a Sigma DP2. I am pleased I gave Samsung a miss.
'Non-connected devices will be meaningless'Thank you Samsung for creating a new market - mainly aimed at the P+S'ers of this world. That's a big mass market. Cloud photogrpahy will be a useful tool and for some maybe an end in itself.I don't thank you Samsung, and your dedicated followers of fashion for insulting fine art photographers, professionals, those who shoot raw, and those want control over their content.Samsung clearly wishes to create a market but by attempting to alienate high end users may have made a marketing blunder. Time will tell whether this will be disastrous. New is not of necessity better.
"The dinosaur is dead' said Reg Natarajan.
I have not read all the comments here but enough to comment.The ARROGANCE of some people. Meaningfulness is an individual thing. I find great meaning in the quality time and contact with friends and family - sorry to be a dinosaur but that's face to face. I find great meaning in taking developing and exhibiting fine art photographs. Who are you to say that all a other photgraphic activities and cameras are now meaningless !What arrogance to define meanigfulness in the narrow icon of the cloud. Sure - I have no issue with the cloud as such and it will have good utility.The cloud has NOT made Monet oil paintings meaningless. It has NOT made the kind of photography I like doing meaningless to ME even if it is not to YOU. Please just speak for yourself not the rest of us.Might be interested in the cloud myself for some things but this nonsense puts me right off ! Dont want to share with the likes of you. Urrgh .
I have not read all the comments here but enough to comment.The ARROGANCE of some people. Meaningfulness is an individual thing. I find great meaning in the quality time and contact with friends and family - sorry to be a dinosaur but that's face to face. I find great meaning in taking developing and exhibiting fine art photographs. Who are you to say that all a other photgraphic activities and cameras are now meaningless !!What arrogance to define meanigfulness in the narrow icon of the cloud. Sure - I have no issue with the cloud as such and it will have good utility.The cloud has NOT made Monet oil paintings meaningless. It has NOT made the kind of photography I like doing meaningless to ME even it might be to YOU.Might be interested in the cloud myself for some things but this nonsense puts me right off ! Dont want to share with the likes of you.
WT21: I'm in a hotel with a slowish bandwidth connection. Can't say I appreciate the missing page nav drop-down. I have to go page-by-page to get to the conclusion. Yuck.
Why no sigma DP? Why no Samsung? Why no Leica ? You have omiited some of the best compacts
zodiacfml: Nice article. Since 2002 with various digital cams, I was rarely impressed or satisfied with the pictures (maybe only with pics composed of simple colors and combinations). They just tend to get bigger and cleaner pictures.I purchased a DP2 last January and never been so inspired with photography since (currently at file number SDIM7700+). I'm satisfied with the sensor. I just wished for more speed (AF and write times), better LCD, and much better battery life.
I'm interested in a comparison in IQ terms between the SD15 abd the SD1. Is the price difference justified? Regards
'which has the most accurate color?'This is an interesting question. Technically speaking I think this is the Sigma (???) However it is really a question of taste. I personally prefer the Sigma colour rendition. It resembles some old Agfa tranparency films.
'Littered with assumptions and presumptions'No doubt. Can you be more specific and were they reasonable assumptions ?
'Nice article'Thank you
'Your story is similar to many others who have experienced the Sigma cameras'I agree.