garyknrd: I am fairly new to photography ( since retirement ). I enjoy looking at the pics, but hard for me to justify the cost. What is the difference in buying a Leica lens and putting it on your existing camera and snapping some pics? Is there that much difference?
I tend to hold my cameras for years. I can afford it if I really wanted it. I just cannot seem to turn the corner.
I am beginning to think these are for long time pro's that gradually move into this type of shooting. Not sure.
Leica 'cannot' be good value: their know how is grossly overestimated. They once made and still make excellent film cameras and make excellent lenses. (The price is a very different story.) At any rate, there is nothing tangible that is uniquely superior about Leica digital cameras. 'Digital' and 'Leica' do not combine very well.
It's hard to justify the cost because there is no justification for that cost. Leica has a provocative pricing policy and no photographer should tolerate it. Leica digital cameras do not last more than any well-built camera on the market, it's a myth. Leica digital cameras are sluggish, low-tech, non-ergonomic and expensive to buy and maintain. Leica lenses are excellent but too expensive for what they offer. You are, simply, way better off with a mirrorless camera system, APS-C or a Sony A7 series full frame, in practically all respects.
Jim Evidon: What many of you fail to realize is that Leica has no aspirations to be a cookie cutter camera giant. Canon, Nikon (at least some), Olympus and Fuji all make very fine cameras. Leica has never made cameras for the masses. The very first Leica I was unlike any other camera in the world and was predicted to be an absolute failures. So here we are 90 years later and the Leitz/ Leica camera company is still going strong in its own small way. It has a loyal customer base.
Leica knows it's market. Customer relations are excellent, IMO. It is an excellent camera and a unique shooting experience providing superb images again and again.
Will I buy a M240? No. The M9-P satisfies me very much. It is built to last and I love the fact that its functions are basic, and the images are tack sharp with the right balance of contrast and color; that illusive Leica look that non-Leica people believe is a fiction. Believe me, it is very real. The M240 and 240 Monochrom appear to be worthy successors.
Let me count your inaccurate statements here:1. "Leica has never made cameras for the masses." - Leica CANNOT make cameras for the "masses".2. " So here we are 90 years later and the Leitz/ Leica camera company is still going strong in its own small way." - Leica nearly went bankrupt a few years ago; why is it still here is a good question.3. "It is built to last" - provided you spent a big load a cash to keep them in good 'lasting' order.4. "Leica knows it's market. " - ...rather Leica knows its victims.
RStyga: Leica "upgrades" a $7,500 camera with Live View and 3" 921K LCD in 2015? At this rate they might catch up with the rest by 2050, give or take a decade.
Although good adapters are abundant for DSLM cameras, a native M mount camera could put a stop, or at least a brake, to the Leica camera charade...
Yes... wasting $Ks is no big deal when there is a "Leica" legend adding intangible photographic "value" to the owner. I suppose a "lowly" $2K RX1 is no match to a $10K M240+35/2.5 when it comes to consumer stupidity. It's $8K of pure Leica lens interchangeability value here...
Leica "upgrades" a $7,500 camera with Live View and 3" 921K LCD in 2015? At this rate they might catch up with the rest by 2050, give or take a decade.
Where is the review DPR??
Oh well, in the meantime here's the review by the masterful Ming Thein (in two parts):
RStyga: I wonder if they use the same quality glass elements with equivalent coating. I also wonder about their QC.
I like that; it might 'help' Canon drop the price of the corresponding lens a bit.
I wonder if they use the same quality glass elements with equivalent coating. I also wonder about their QC.
RStyga: Pentax has mastered the APS-C DSLR concept overall, from features down to the retail price, well done! I believe this is the best Pentax camera ever made.
Oops, I meant "excluding the MF series".
I'm *very* displeased that Zeiss chose this Touit-style design for their new line of lenses. It's so damn unattractive, mate, it's one of the most ugly designs I've seen the last several years. Fortunately, the price is typically Zeiss so no dilemmas there.
Pentax has mastered the APS-C DSLR concept overall, from features down to the retail price, well done! I believe this is the best Pentax camera ever made.
Marty4650: I really do believe that most people who believe "the cops are always wrong" will be shocked at the outcome here.
These bodycams will MOSTLY vindicate the police, and prove the suspects were lying about brutality or improper conduct. Of course, in a few cases they will support the suspects version. But the real incidence of police brutality may be much smaller than the police haters think it is.
Try to have a conversation with police officers and object to them like that in the US... Good luck.
Yes, something doesn't add up: Your way of thinking. The fact that migrants pouring into the US does not mean that the country is not oppressive, it only means that these people are hopeless, desperate and get attracted to the dollar sign and all the BS portrayed all these decades in the media and the movie industry. If you are starving and you come from a 3rd world country, a little police brutality won't stop you.
Edgar,Comparing USA with eastern block and Brazil really does not do the trick of acquitting US police of their fascist attitude. Compare US with western developed countries.
Marty,I replied twice about the 'lives in a county' in DPR profile not equating of 'being of that country'. I'm sorry it's above your comprehension bar.The stats in one of the video links I posted earlier are indicative.My condolences for your attitude. You obviously have lived there too long to understand that there are better ways to live than being subject to micro management of your behaviour (and, apparently, thinking). And for the last time, I have not 'heard of' what is happening in the US with police; I have lived there for years and know first hand. Your memory lapse is pretty impressive...
Marty4650:You really ought to remove your blinkers and read before you reply. Who are the "hysterical Australians"? The only one who you tried to identify as Australian is myself (who I'm not) and then you jumped to sweeping statements. You really provoke the wide-spread stereotype of American-born idiocy. The pattern of police violence, indicated clearly by the statistics, leaves no room for your hibernating bliss. Have you read the stats comparing gang-related deaths and police killings in your 'land of the free and home of the brave'? Are they all 'reading from afar' while you maintain the factual truth? I have lived and know up close how one feels residing in a country where every step you take could be the last one before jail. The number of annual police arrests in USA is for the Guinness Book. This feeling is not statistically justified, of course, but it's there and it is telling of the civil atmosphere. It is a very subtle, under the skin, fear. Unless you are thick..
You are either mentally challenged, or morally compromised to try and justify this behaviour, implicitly or explicitly. In the western world, and especially in a wealthy and powerful country like the US, there is no excuse at all. I'm appalled with people contemplating the support of police officers-murderers.
And here's a very fresh incident of your "impeccable" police conduct:
No, you were not taking a wild guess. You were jumping into nonsensical conclusions by reading my profile. I currently reside in Australia, hence the profile info- that makes me Australian? Have you finished primary school?