Prognathous: Is Cosina a more significant lens maker than Tokina?
They make Zeiss lenses as well as their own branded lenses.
I think a couple of the Cons in the conclusion are a little silly, and a couple legitimate defects should be mentioned in their place namely:
No in-camera Raw conversion -- It's cute that some cameras offer it, but is the camera such a sensible tool for doing raw conversions?
Limited selection of FE lenses -- a brand new system is introduced with some stellar lenses. How many lenses should any manufacturer have ready at launch for a new camera?
Missing cons (mentioned in the review proper) are the loud and extended shutter sound (however fond of it you became) and the lack of a lossless raw file output option that would do even better justice to the sensor in some cases.
G Sciorio: Small body with a larger sensor means larger lenses. If the majority of the weight and bulk is in the optics...and if there are so few native lenses I don't see any major advantage over a DSLR.
Depends on the lens. I have tiny Contax G lenses. The 90mm f/2.8, 45mm f/2 have no issues with this camera. My tiny 21mm and 28mm are problematic, but for some applications they may still worth be using. I could go out with all four of those lenses together in my jacket pockets if I chose.
Tord S Eriksson: I seem to recall that the shutter in the A7 shook the camera quite a bit, and the one in the A7R was worse?! In my book that would be a huge con, no matter which camera we're speaking about.
Not a mention in the Con list — has the shutter noise/shake been eliminated, or what?!
@Tord, the A7 has an electronic front curtain option. It is enabled by default, but if it is turned off, then the shutter should be about the same as on the A7r. If turned on, it should click only once rather than twice, without potential to shake the camera just as the exposure begins.
SalmanH: Wonderful, nine photos and not a single one holding the camera the way it should be held, which I think is what many of us are most curious about with such a weirdly shaped camera.
I think that might be the whole point! How exactly does one hold it "properly"? If nothing else, it does look beautiful.
jennyrae: my opinion with Quattro sensor is put correct and optimal ratio amount of specific color pixel to achieve best picture quality. downside of equal amount of color pixel number per layer is the occurrence of red and green cast on pictures. I think I know understand why reduced number of reds and green. if theory is correct, color cast problem of foveon is improved or solved and also increased in luminosity means higher resolution in pictures with great color gradation. best of both worlds. high iso performance and faster processing are icing. can prove best Foveon camera from Sigma.
@jennyrae there is no reason to think this design will do anything for red or green cast. It simply produces a slight but measurable noise improvement, requires much less storage to speed processing (and maybe improve power consumption), and provides a small luminance resolution bump that might help compensate for the chroma resolution loss.
Joerg V: The blue layer of the Foveon actually doesn't capture saturated blue but a very very pale blue - almost white. So this is more like a sensor that captures white light at every photo pixel and color information with lower resolution. This seems like a more Bayerish approach and will probably sacrifice resolution but should help a lot with the Foveon noise that stems from crosstalk between the layers.
The camera design is... errr... special.
@peevee1 The picture is intended for laymen to understand. The layers are White, Yellow and Red (not Magenta). If the top layer were filtered blue, no red or green light would penetrate to the next level. So the top layer is unfiltered (not counting any UV-IR cut filter in front of sensor). Then there is yellow filter, then another sensing layer, then a red filter, and then the bottom sensing layer.
Blue values are derived from White-Yellow.Green values are derived from Yellow-Red.Red values are captured as is.
Ulfric M Douglas: The body is one BIG THUMB-GRIP,which might be good.Shame they changed the sensor : the ONE advantage they have over other large-sensor compacts.
The thumb doesn't do any of the gripping here. It is the palm. The thumb is free for pressing buttons.
peevee1: They should have higher resolution in Green, not in blue. Only about 5% of cones in our eyes are responsive to blue light. We are adopted to see detail in green foliage, not in a blue sky.
Since the top layer is monochrome you are getting the full resolution for luminance. Roughly 60-70% of luminance can be found in the green channel, but this captures 100% of the luminance at full resolution. Thinking of the top layer as "blue" is just a mistake.
qwertyasdf: 20+4.9+4.9 = 39? I don't get it!
If the grip is facing backwards, then the thumb needs to exert pressure to hold the camera. How can i use my thumb to press the buttons on the back? I just tried holding my Canon 1D backwards, it dropped on the ground.(But the scrollwheel, which is now in the front is very convenient for the index finger to turn)Am I holding it wrong? I don't get it
Anyways, I'm gonna get it no matter what! ByeBye DP2M
You are missing the point of the grip. It is the overall width of the grip that gives you a grasp. Your thumb isn't needed to support the camera at all--your palm does that. Instead the buttons are at a comfortable distance from your thumb while it is naturally extended forwards towards the camera buttons.
There is no blue layer in a foveon. The top layer has no color filter. The middle layer is yellow, the bottom layer is red.
mikesco: While I agree that integrity of an image is important, in this case I see no difference from the function of cropping and cloning, it is simply the removal of unrelated content. Cropping in some situations could do a lot more to remove context from a photo than the cropping did in this case.
@forpetessake, what is it about the presence of two cameras that makes it more of a staged event than the presence of one camera?
I have just one bone to pick with the review:
Under "Handling and Shooting Experience/Overall" it states:
" its image quality isn't quite as good as we expected"
Admittedly, in other parts of the review, the remarks about image quality are qualified to be jpeg-specific. But this is an unqualified reference, and some readers scanning the review may be put off by this and stop reading.
tesilab: @Barney: Funny you should mention the possibility of a future firmware update to fix the frustrations you experienced. Aren't you the eternal optimist?
Yes, which prompted me to buy into NEX in the first place (Focus Peaking sold me), I then waited expectantly for little tweaks to the NEX-7 (a very long time coming, but didn't address most reviewers comments), and RX1 (still waiting). I'd say that major update was an exception.
@Barney: Funny you should mention the possibility of a future firmware update to fix the frustrations you experienced. Aren't you the eternal optimist?
Mupepe: Sorry: Will they address the inflated ISO behavior? My X-E2 would then benefit from a new fw...
I goofed on it being on DXO's site, but I did see the ISO difference noted somewhere, likely here, so the point is the same.
Artistico: Ah... an ISO dial. The one thing that every digital camera should have, but that you hardly ever see. That's the main reason I miss my Canon G10.
Looks like someone finally uses their senses when it comes to control layout rather than just repeating the mistakes others have made before.
I wanted to love my NEX-7, particularly for the dials, but with fixed 1/3 stop increments for everything, the NEX-7 dials are way too slow, and cannot compete with a quick twist of an aperture ring or dedicated shutter dial.
Just give me EC dial plus a shutter/aperture/ISO dials with explicit settings and an 'A' setting on each dial--no mode dial.
I think he means that Fuji gives longer exposures or wider apertures when set to higher ISO values than do other cameras, per DXO who publishes rated ISO to "true" ISO curves.
Stu 5: Still not going to cure the problem that the RF lenses do not perform well on the A7 to start with though due to short lens flange.
To M Jesper: "Those microlenses better work".Unfortunately they cannot compensate too much for multiple reasons.1. The camera must primarily deliver good results for FE-mount designed lenses2. Anything optimized for one particular wide angle would make it suboptimal for lenses of longer focal length.3. Compensation is also a matter of firmware correction. Leica achieves acceptable results with lens encoding system for their own recent model lenses. Sony simply won't support or recognize third party lenses in this way.
The mobile version of the forum is welcome.The text editing on iPhone and iPad is still seriously broken since the introduction of your "improved" editor.