There's no myth, only some preconceived ideas and from manufacturers pushed marketing considerations. Moreover, a lot of people commentaing here are trying to change physical laws concerning photography area.. The real question could be "what kind of photography are you usually doing and how often ?". After that it will be possible to know what kind of possible gear you could buy, related to available budget, for YOUR need. This choice is related to the quality level you'll define for yourself. As Photography is NOT an essential activity for most people (99% of users), it's only a life pleasure so we will also find here some emotional attitude.
NB : Of course, some Pros use simple APS-C cameras and some amateurs expensive FF cameras (here's the preconceived idea Pro use heavy expensive gear and amateur light and cheap one !). So what ? Everyone have to make his PERSONAL choice with his personal photography experience, period.
toni2: Full frame it's the best because have best image quality. That's all. It's so simple as why some photographers use fixed lens (not zoom). Best image quality. That's all. Do you want best image quality? go with full frame and fixed lens. It's simple!!Do you think that aps-c or m4/3 have good enough quality? it's ok. But it's not the best. Your thought it's not a fact, it's only an opinion.
Agree completely. If you go a little bit further, with medium format cameras you'll get even better images, certainly (same subject, same light conditions aso..). Choice of APC cameras and FF is depending of what you're looking for, advantages are not the SAME, why should they be ?@Matt Kolberg : IMHO, the mots important for the "best quality choice" is a good camera and more important : the best possible lens quality !!! It's the real and relevant choice you have. The differences on field between different formats and cameras (same class of course) will be done by LENSES and not mainly by cameras.Nowadays, people are choosing mainly their camera with all possible "geek features".. the choice should be done for lenses which will be used.Of course, not all people (actually few !) need and/or wish the "Best Quality" with expensive, heavy gear.@hifimaclaner : APS-C camaeras improved with time.. FF cameras too you know ? Tell us what APS-C could compete with a D810 ?
TLD: There is definitely something about full frame. My seven year old 1DsMK3 is still my go to camera, while my 1DMK4 only comes out for the occasional shot where high FPS and decent follow focus are required. The 1Ds3 is rubbish at follow focus.
Curious, I don't had this behaviour with my D3s.. very fast and reliable, but perhaps now in comparison with a D4s a little bit old on the "focus side" ?
TimR32225: Translation: They did not include the Canon 1DX and Nikon D4s because those are the two best cameras available and it would prevent them from touting the Sony offerings that DPR is so fond of.
Since this article is entitled "HEAVY HITTERS" doesn't it seem strange to anyone that they omitted the 2 heaviest hitters of all?
@Donny : you're probably right when saying D4s / 1Dx are not to be mentionned here. These cameras are for pure professional use or special use like sport, wildlife.. areas where they are absolutely unbeatable (reactivity, speed, sturdiness). NO other standard camera, even at these Pro prices, if available, can compete if you consider these features. I had D700, D800E and D3S : no discussion possible.If you have REALLY used one of this Pro camera you'll understand what is meant here ! If not, don't make any non-relevant comment please. Comparing a Sony a7 or D750 or so with these Pro cameras has NO sense. Use is different, built is different, price too of course. A Ford Focus or similar is different from a Porsche 911.. Both are useful of course but are intended for different uses and people.
NB : 5D MKIII is still today a very good, fast and reliable allround camera. Supposing right lenses and RAW software are used (not ACR). A camera is never used without a lens, no ?
Ramjager: Love the contradictions and hyperbole in this write up.What fantasy world does the reviewer live in pointing out the camera has more cross type sensors yet somehow it cant hold a candle to the 810??I mean come on just cut the rubbish.The Mk3 has the same tracking module as the 1Dx the best along with D4S sports camera in the world and somehow its "lagging" behind?Sophisticated AF system yet its lagging?Rather than writing hyperbole rubbish just stick to facts please.And please show me how it cant "hold a candle" to an 810!!Because of face recognition?Ygbsm.If thats what you consider important with a camera i think the reviewer shoukd stick with their Iphone.
Agree completely.. DPR reporter is joking, really. Not serious at all. They have here to forget their "Geek" position some time, make some pictures and then try, if possible, to rewrite a "serious, relevant and real user" report !Another thing which is not mentionned in all these reports is the big and important relationship between camera and lenses..! I don't choose a camera not only for it features but also and mainly for the available lenses. This point is certainly as important as camera itself.
rob Ernsting: Having used the latest versions of LR, DPP, DxO and Capture One I can affirm that none is perfect.But since a year I use without exception Capture One as my prime source for RAW data conversion as best suited in all cases. I have now ver. 8.1 and love the result. I dislike the archive system but that applies to LR as well.The best of all options is Capture One in my opinion.
Same for me, C1 seem to be one of the very best and powerful solutions today, even if there's some things I wish to be added : i.e more lens corrections. Some important and most used lens are not in C1 list !DPP v4 too is great for Canon users but need an additional solution to get final best result.NB : with C1 you can also work with "directories" and not use "catalogs"..
Marty4650: There seems to be two extremist schools of thought on camera design:
1. Buy the black version. Cover all the logos and markings with black gaffer tape. Make it as discrete as possible to avoid distracting your subjects, or tempting thieves. Form must follow function.
2. Pimp it out. Give it gold highlights. Add exotic wood grips. Make it eye catching so it will attract attention. Dazzle all bystanders with your good taste and and your ability to pay for luxury goods. Make it a fashion statement. Sometimes you can even rebadge it to draw even more oohs and ahhs (like the Brikk).
But most people want something between those two extremes. A nice looking camera that doesn't shout "LOOK AT ME" or "STEAL ME."
Well analysed and said ! IMHO the first case seems to be the best to take pictures in various conditions, particularly if you won't to be seen (street photography, wildlife and secure travel conditions with your gear..) and in some areas where you could possibly leave your gear...inevitable to leave in fact.
The second case is simply a proof of narcissistic autosatisfaction for the user and an additional business for Nikon. Nothing to do actually with real photography. Even if this camera is pleasant to look.
love2travelfar: It took them 16 years to improve something everybody was asking to be improved. Imagine if that was introduced 10 years ago when Canon was EVERYTHING. People would be waiting, not sleeping for the announcement. Now - nobody cares much I'm afraid...
You can tell same story about the Nikon 80-400...! Conclusion : there's a user logic and an enterprise logic. They move on different levels.
Kinematic Digit: I refuse to buy or recommend any Lacie products anymore. They have one of the worst failure rates of their products out there.
The service support doesn't exist with them with issues, and in certain cases (such as out of warranty), they will advise people to buy a new product for 15% off instead of repairing problems that have been well documented and mentioned by other including on their own support forums.
NEVER BUY A LACIE PRODUCT until they have fixed their QA issues, warranty issues, and put in place a proper after warranty program.
The LaCie D2 external boxes are very good now.. the problem come from the HD they used in these boxes : Seagate which are the LEAST reliable units on market (some MTBF are arround 8 months !) are almost choosen provider (Seagate own LaCie now). Conclusions doesn't came from me but from a study made by an independant enterprise, which have made comparisons of the main manufacturers like Toshiba, Samsung, WD, Seagate and others. Seagate was very good some 15 years ago, now it's a pity looking at reliability ranking. Last in the comparison list..!IMHO I see no need of this expensive, middle performance "rugged" HD.. Take the 2 Gb or 4 Gb WD Passport Pro, you get more speed and security (mirror copy RAID). On the other side WD service is really very good and speedy, I've experienced in the near past.
geoglyphs: 12 is de Haus des Sports on the Stalinallee, now called Karl-Marxallee:http://www.berlinermaueronline.de/berlin-fotos/berlin-1950/berlin-1950-008.htm
Worth going through that whole slideshow by the way.
Yes, the gallery you mention is worth to go through. Thanks for information.
InTheMist: Nice! I think this one is better than the first set.
Hello,depending of what you "wish to see", the two collections doesn't show the same situations and not the same time. Second part was clearly reconstruction, the first just ruins and disaster. For people who lived there during these years, the meaning is not the same of course. Actually I like both.
MPA1: But are they sharp in the corners?
Depending of what we are able to see, particularly in the corners. You likely also need the right glasses..?
Thanks a lot for these old pictures.. I can remember some of places you've shown here. The "Potzdamer Platz" was at this moment a really great "desert" just with some big stones laying here and there. As far as you could see with your eyes, you couldn't see a standing building ! As a little child discovering this kind of landscape, some years before these good pictures were taken, is absolutely unforgettable ! If you return just now to same place, there will be a big surprise of course.. just some "little changes".
User6484493214: Just a hobbyist, I bought the 24-70 f2.8L ii usm abt a yr ago happy with the overall performance but man oh man the 70-200 ii is usm just acquired last wk was beyond my expectations! At 70mm the later lens is certainly way better! Honestly, both lenses are pricy hope canon could lower their overall pricing to enable more users to join the rank of satisfied customers.
Yes this 70-200/2.8 II is amazing too and a little bit better at 70mm as the 24-70. You're right. BUT : until now no lens provider was able to offer such a lens with best results on both sides, 24 and 70 mm. Nikon has same results and is additionally under quality of the Canon offer and not cheaper !
Miguel Rodríguez: I've just got my new 24-70 f2.8L II USM and so far looks incredible, performs much better than my 17-40 and Siggy 35 f1.4 @f4. It is comparable to my 70-200 f2.8 at 70mm. So it is an impressive piece of glass. I upgraded from my 24-105 after more than a year hesitating to do it, the reason is the 24-105 at the end of the day was not a lens I trusted 100% of the time, in my experience sometimes I managed to get good results, something not so good.
I agree, this lens is absolute amazing and you'll see pictures quality differences taken with this lens or another one. They will not be identical even at first look. Now that price had dropped with some regular promotions, it's worth. I don't have any trouble with my 24-105 but of course clearly below the quality of this 24-70/2.8 II which was marked by a wellknown photo magazine in France as "the best 24-70" ever seen among all lens providers. At 50mm the only which could compete is the new Sigma 50/f1.4 ART (it's a prime at 900 €) !
Photomonkey: Clearly this means that Canon has been shamed by the posters at DPR and elsewhere complaining about their old sensors, high prices and lack of IS in the 24-70 2.8LII.Having thus been shamed they are liquidating their lens line and concentrating only on copiers.Fire sale on bodies shortly.I am certain of this because I understand the industry perfectly from my many hours reading on the internet of things.
Really ? Sure ? Internet reading..? Photography is experienced on field with your gear, certainly not on Internet.
But good reading !
Steve Parkin: There is so much ridiculous fighting and bickering over cameras. Its hard to believe. I'm still shooting with a 5D Mark II/7D and the last generation 500mm F4 L IS lens. Its great that they reduced the pric on the new ones, but the last round of tech that I bought 5....8....10 years ago is still so freakin' good that I don't really see a need for better. Unless you're just starving to spend more money on new tech, as a Canon shooter, I'm completely fine with not having to shell out huge amounts of money every three years to get something fantastically better than what I have. Mirrorless and iPhones might be the big thing right now, but they aren't replacing my 5D2. Nor does any of that tech provide an opportunity to attach a lens anywhere near as epic as a 500mm F4 L IS to it. Life is too short and the existing gear is far too good to sit around bemoaning a lack of something better. Go make some great photographs.
You're completely right. Changing all time, if you look for the last "Best" product will produce a big money drop in your wallet and if you listen to the huge amount of people recommanding this or this product (of course, the last, the best aso..) you'll perhaps also change your camera provider for 1 or 2 years. Until another takes the first place. An unending game for frustrated people. Nothing to do with photography of course..
chiane: Anyone think forum members read a little to much into everything?
Absolutely YES !Time spent to read and comment is not time spent for photography. Happy medium should be mandatory.
bajanexile: Canon's big problem is not their range of lenses but their lack of innovation when it comes to Camera Bodies/Sensors. I was a Canon System user since 1981, but have left the fold this year. I still own a number of EF Fit lenses but now use them on a different body with an adapter. As a former Canon user, I feel that they have pretty much abandoned their Enthusiast/Semi-Pro market for Video. I do not shoot video. I could see no real advantage in moving from my Canon EOS 5D Mk.II to the Mk.III. IMHO the Mk. III is overpriced. Canon are about two generations behind the FF and APS-C cameras equipped with Sony Sensors.
At least you should have to try the 5DMkIII, very near from overall features from Nikon 800E/810 dispite less pixels (but pixels does not all in photography ?!). I've sold my 800E to buy a 5DMkIII which respond to my requirements and fullfill much more the things I'm waiting from a DSLR. Video is top on 5D, not at all on D800/E. Sensor alone doesn't make such a huge difference on final photo rendering. It also depend what you're looking for : pixel count and resolution, distortion, color accuracy aso.. Working with many other DSLR I've switched to Canon because overall features from camera is ok and lens are much more better as the corresponding from other providers, even from Nikon (except the highest pro lens over 10 k$ where offers are similar).PS @Photomonkey : the 24-70/2.8 II L with no IS ? I guess it's a joke !? Weight ? Price ? My god..! Buy a Tamron if necessary.
Ramjager: A stronger opponent with the 5DMk3 in terms of Autofocus?You mean the Nikon AF system works this time or is it still sharp on the right soft on the left?Funny how in the DPR D800 review no mention was made of the poor AF and QC issues which plagued the D800 bodies.How many people went through multiple bodies to get one good one that had an AF system half as good as Canons...lots.Yet hey it had 36MP its the king.Your kidding yourseld DPR thinking some actually read and take your reviews seriously until you start reviewing properly and thoroughly.But hey its got 36.3 MP and made by Nikon it must be good..right?
@DaveE1 : so why leave a comment on a forum, forum where we don't necessarily have same opinion ? If you don't like, don't write or critisize other opinions, furthermore without any real and understandable argument. Thanks for your effort..