DMC-CM-20, removes screen and adds slogan "It's all about the lens."
Ktrphoto: Is dpreview sponsored by Sony.
Mirrorless is NOT taking over ... at least not in the short term ... although that seems to be what bloggers and reviewers all over the Internet would like you to think, judging by the noise they make about it.
Instead of looking at % increase/decrease in sales look at the actual numbers of DSLRs and Mirrorless sales.
@Ktrphoto The speed and rate of any hypothesized mirrorless take over can actually be calculated by using changes in sales and mathematic modelling based on Fisher & Pry's S shaped growth/substitution curve, or variations thereof. Bifurcation patterns based on changes in consumer demand as well as on competitive responses may of course emerge. The challenge is, it seems the numbers aren't growing, rather the opposite. The camera market has been in free fall for the past 5 years. Mirrored cameras are losing volume faster than mirrorless.
Pro shooting digital since 92: It sounds as if the a7R II would be awesome in terms of face tracking etc but it is ABSOLUTELY CRIPPLED by not having a touch screen. How do you change faces (or point of interest) for focus, in mid-take, while shooting video? Abandon the camera's intelligence and focus manually. Wait, what?After shooting video with several cameras capable of cinematic focus pulls by simply touching the screen I will NEVER go back to another focus method for run-n-gun documentary type shooting. The touch to focus during video significantly increases the percentage of good takes while allowing me more time to think about composition and point of view and less time thinking about focus. Another wonderful feature for stills and touch-to-focus: touch a point of interest and the very moment the camera attains focus it captures the image.
Hey Sony... anybody listening? Why no touchscreen? And please simply turn on the 10Bit HDMI output. Come on...
@ProShooting I find that Sony's A7R II is an amazing accomplishment. You do understand that Sony has to have something to improve upon, or they would shoot themselves in the foot commercially? It's simply the way capitalism and product based markets work. I'm sure you'll see the touch screen appear on some future iteration. Look at their strategy for the RX100 and I believe you can/will see some similar variation for the A7R line.
Cihangir Gzey: Let me give some of my thoughts as well (after a 10 year DSLR experience):1-P&S business is dying quickly. Because new sensors demand high power and new cameras have terribly short battery life especially during FullHD video (knowing the exact left battery life on a P&S is like rolling a dice; even the cheapest smartphone give you exact percentages and in year 2015 as much as I know not many P&S offers it). WHY? Industry even couldn't solve this battery issue. NO POWER=NO PHOTOS!!!!2-Bugs, subtracted features, lacking firmware make you sick on a P&S (or even an expensive DSLR). You desperately wait for a firmware update but once the manufacturer comes with a newer model, it NEVER happens. You try to use a creeping P&S (or sometimes worsely an expensive DSLR and feel like a screwed up idiot). NO AFTER SALES SERVICE=NO NEW CUSTOMERS!3-Smartphones do almost everything with the photo you took (message sending, manipulating, emailing, social sharing, etc. etc.). My previous P&S of Canon S120 had terrible communication reliability with smartphones. I tried some other dedicated specialty like Sony QX1 but again no success. We can't wait to fill up memory card and connect it to PC. Sometimes we need the photo INSTANTLY. NO COMMUNICATION=NO USAGE4-Check out the price of RX100 MK4 (I am still thinking about pulling the trigger for this P&S which has all NEGATIVE points on my above items). HIGH PRICE=NO CUSTOMERS5-My 50D (I refuse to upgrade as every new iteration adds something but also subtracts another) & EF-S 10-22 sits inside the car while travelling. If I have it, I use it. If I don't, I use my old P&S or my smartphone. EOS M1 was not having internal flash and M3 has terrible battery life. NO FRESH MINDS=NO INNOVATIONS=NO SALES TO ADVANCED AMATEURSJust my f..king 2 cents (as an upset photographer). IMHO those Japanese photo giants need to retire those old R&D guys (who proved to fail more than enough times; enough is enough!) and hire fresh and innovative people who understands the current generation's needs.
5. "I refuse to upgrade as every new iteration adds something but also subtracts another."
Yes, keep us all eternally upgrading and buying the next version. No more software updates is the same. In some other industries software updates even makes the item worse, just when the new product is about to be launched.
1. "P&S business is dying quickly." The phones have taken over this segment. Even though phone batteries are also so, so, with the slimness fad making it worse. Only more efficient cpu/gpu are saving the bacon. Best is if batteries are replaceable, or like the 1020, which had a cover with extra juice.
4-"Check out the price of RX100 MK4" Because Sony has innovated and the others take their time to catch up, they can charge a lot. I don't know how it's selling, but the I-III sold well, although they were cheaper. Sony seems to be advancing cameras, gaining share, showing there's still money to be made, which is why these companies are making cameras in the first place.
Gadgety: "It takes many of its features from the GX7 that it surely replaces but builds them into a much more substantial body....the GX8 doesn't have room for the built-in pop-up flash that its predecessor offered... the one thing the GX8 isn't short of is space."
"In a nice touch, Panasonic has removed the 29 minute, 59 second recording restriction from non-European models, so it's only European users who might by stymied by the workings of EU duty regulations."
It's 4.5% tax. Why not offer two models in Europe, one with the restriction lifted, with the addition of the 4.5% tax.
I did that with an $8000 dollar preamp (it was over 10 grand in Europe). Of course it started playing up, had to send it to the US to get it sorted. Except it wasn't. Came back in the same shape it was when I shipped it. So it might be a $1200 gamble.
"It takes many of its features from the GX7 that it surely replaces but builds them into a much more substantial body....the GX8 doesn't have room for the built-in pop-up flash that its predecessor offered... the one thing the GX8 isn't short of is space."
When I read the "Pros" and "Cons" I drew the conclusion this was a gold reward, because the cons seemed minor where the "some softness at around 1/100th exposures" was the most critical one, and battery life with video (at least to me).
The rest seemed just like minor niggles "seem more complex" "Q.Menu is over-complex" "...screen a bit cluttered", "...unnecessarily complex", and all centered around complexity in handling.
JurijTurnsek: Why hasn't Sony produced a Sony Xperia RX phone like this one, except more polished, is beyond me. They have years of experience in 1" sensor compacts and Android phones, seems like a match made in heaven.
Sony is famous for organizational silos, like the R&D, marketing and production, or hardware and software, departments not really being aligned.
Sonyshine: An impressive camera phone I would really quite like - the only thing that really puts me off ( price apart) is the complete lack of any lens protection - I can see it getting damaged and messed up too easily.
It needs OIS, xenon flash, lens protection.
Papi61: Can you make/receive phone calls with this device? Yes. Then it's a smartphone, end of discussion.
Phone spec-wise, it's a mid-range Android (same screen resolution as iPhone but not even close to 2015 Android flagships), and nowadays 16gb of storage is definitely low-end. But that 1" sensor and Panasonic's camera know-how still make this product appealing. At least on paper.
4K @15fps is completely useless. Why did they even bother?
Yes 4K@15fps = useless. Basically it's only included to be able to claim it is 4K = marketing purposes.
Ather Mehboob: I have CM1 and have been using it for the last one month . If Photography is important for someone then there is no better choice . I don't feel it has aged specs , actually I find it very snappy and with a nice screen
I wish it had Xenon Flash and may be OIS than it would have been very close to perfect . Most of the people here probably have not used this excellent combination of a phone and a camera and I believe if/once they use it and mobile photography is important to them , probably will change there opinion in a very positive way
I am very impressed with the images developed from RAW as default jpeg processing is very mediocre . I currently own a Sony RX 100 MkIII , Sony RX 1 , Nikon D800 and a Sigma DP2M and I feel comfortable taking CM 1 out as my only camera on many day to day shooting opportunities . It is not just increased resolution but also much better dynamic range and less digital feel to the image when compared to other camera phones like iPhone 6+ etc
Can the LED flash trigger an external flash?
Gadgety: OK, not quite there yet. No OIS, garbage flash. Sure, it'll come in gen 2. Had it had it now, Pana would have gotten my money.
Can external flashes be used, or triggered by the internal one?
I'm dreaming of the Google Ara; a chassis/motherboard and exchangeable modules for rear screen, cameras, flashes, processor etc.
And what about lens protection?
OK, not quite there yet. No OIS, garbage flash. Sure, it'll come in gen 2. Had it had it now, Pana would have gotten my money.
chj: Just got the GM1 and 20mm f/1.7. LOVE IT. Anyone asking for a viewfinder or hotshoe is really missing the point. It's SO small and easy to carry around. The touchscreen and fast autofocus is an awesome combination. You can catch so many shots that you would have missed with another camera. For street shooting, it's just about ideal (weather sealing would make it ideal). My only complaint is mentioned in the review, you have to be careful when turning the control dial so you don't accidently press it and bring up a different setting adjustment.
"Anyone asking for a viewfinder or hotshoe is really missing the point." Yes, I miss the point of true versatility. Adding a couple of millimeters or so in height would make it a solid buy. I'll wait for the GM1 II.
It's amazingly small. The hand grip not having a through hole for the tripod is not a deal breaker, but provides third party providers with a market. The one thing I would still want is a flash hot shoe, though.
Slap DUAL 41mp Pureviews for lossless zooming, 3D photography and video on the Windows Surface. Got to bring something to the RT to make it sell, and they will position Microsoft as the imaging/film tablet par excellence. I know I'd like it. This is one of the key resources of what they bought. There's space and processing power.
ottonis: As an avid user of the legendary Nokia N8, I have been eagerly anticipating the arrival of the new Lumia Pure View installment , and I have to say that I am fairly disappointed by the1020. I am disappointed for two reasons: 1.) Instead of further increasing sensor size, they actually reduced it compared with the 808 (1/1.5 vs 1/1.2). I know that this was due to reducing camera size and making the device more svelte, but this is still just the wrong direction. 2.) Carefully looking at the samples, their IQ is disappointing, especially in low light (totally blown-out highlights). So, while this is probably still the very best camera in a modern smartphone, it's just an incremental improvement over the existing IQ of modern phones such as iphone5 or Galaxy4, while at the same time the gap between modern compact cameras (RX100, RX1) and the best cameraphone camera has further increased, which turns me away from carrying just one device with me (=cameraphone) for taking pictures.
"it's just an incremental improvement over the existing IQ of modern phones"
Wow, the understatement of the year.
pistachioShell: Is there an example we could see for comparison? What organization has published product reviews, and sold products, and maintained a firewall between the two? If there are good examples, then we could compare the details to build confidence going forward. If there are no examples, then DPR is trying something that no one else has ever accomplished and it will be that much harder to build confidence going forward.
"Overly disruptive advertising" Could you give a few examples of that?
JonB1975: For a site that started in the UK starting this in the US only? SHAME!
I've been waiting for the reviews, expecting them to follow the previews. I was thinking that the delay was due to lack of time, or lack of being provided with the gear... Ooops, now I realize I was a bit naive.
I'm sorry. I didn't even read this through in detail because this GearShop undermines DPReviews credibility.