chj: Just got the GM1 and 20mm f/1.7. LOVE IT. Anyone asking for a viewfinder or hotshoe is really missing the point. It's SO small and easy to carry around. The touchscreen and fast autofocus is an awesome combination. You can catch so many shots that you would have missed with another camera. For street shooting, it's just about ideal (weather sealing would make it ideal). My only complaint is mentioned in the review, you have to be careful when turning the control dial so you don't accidently press it and bring up a different setting adjustment.
"Anyone asking for a viewfinder or hotshoe is really missing the point." Yes, I miss the point of true versatility. Adding a couple of millimeters or so in height would make it a solid buy. I'll wait for the GM1 II.
It's amazingly small. The hand grip not having a through hole for the tripod is not a deal breaker, but provides third party providers with a market. The one thing I would still want is a flash hot shoe, though.
Slap DUAL 41mp Pureviews for lossless zooming, 3D photography and video on the Windows Surface. Got to bring something to the RT to make it sell, and they will position Microsoft as the imaging/film tablet par excellence. I know I'd like it. This is one of the key resources of what they bought. There's space and processing power.
ottonis: As an avid user of the legendary Nokia N8, I have been eagerly anticipating the arrival of the new Lumia Pure View installment , and I have to say that I am fairly disappointed by the1020. I am disappointed for two reasons: 1.) Instead of further increasing sensor size, they actually reduced it compared with the 808 (1/1.5 vs 1/1.2). I know that this was due to reducing camera size and making the device more svelte, but this is still just the wrong direction. 2.) Carefully looking at the samples, their IQ is disappointing, especially in low light (totally blown-out highlights). So, while this is probably still the very best camera in a modern smartphone, it's just an incremental improvement over the existing IQ of modern phones such as iphone5 or Galaxy4, while at the same time the gap between modern compact cameras (RX100, RX1) and the best cameraphone camera has further increased, which turns me away from carrying just one device with me (=cameraphone) for taking pictures.
"it's just an incremental improvement over the existing IQ of modern phones"
Wow, the understatement of the year.
pistachioShell: Is there an example we could see for comparison? What organization has published product reviews, and sold products, and maintained a firewall between the two? If there are good examples, then we could compare the details to build confidence going forward. If there are no examples, then DPR is trying something that no one else has ever accomplished and it will be that much harder to build confidence going forward.
"Overly disruptive advertising" Could you give a few examples of that?
JonB1975: For a site that started in the UK starting this in the US only? SHAME!
I've been waiting for the reviews, expecting them to follow the previews. I was thinking that the delay was due to lack of time, or lack of being provided with the gear... Ooops, now I realize I was a bit naive.
I'm sorry. I didn't even read this through in detail because this GearShop undermines DPReviews credibility.
halc: Sample images look good for a smartphone:
Yet : - highlights are overexposed 2/3 stops or so - plenty of noise even at ISO 100
The Nokia Camera Pro features are cool.
Shame about the Windows Phone OS, though.
@ptox "It's only a shame if you're obsessed with apps."
It depends on your definition of obsessed. I NEED one app for organizing tasks. I depend on it. Am I "obsessed by apps" - well only this one, but not in general. It's available for the PC, iPhone/iPad, Android, BlackBerry, and Windows Mobile. Not WP. The developer says the uptake is too small to develop for WP as of today, at least.
Other details, WP doesn't do VPN. And it's supposed to be for the corporate market. Let's see what the next update of WP, the Blue, brings.
Tonkotsu Ramen: no android or ios no care
@jdpatl "My 920 and 1020 have taken some abuse and come out fine."
So you've had the 1020 for a while. Are you working for Nokia, Microsoft or one of the carriers?
vetsmelter: "41MP Nokia Lumia 1020 brings PureView camera tech to Windows Phone" So after almost one year, it is now official? http://www.technobuffalo.com/2012/08/31/nokia-lumia-820-lumia-920-to-bring-pureview-technology-to-windows-phone-8/
I was hoping for an improvement over the 808 But I was expecting to get the same (just Windows Phone trying to catch up with Symbian)Now it seems we are getting less (smaller sensor)
But still a good intermediate release. And the camera module breaks the sterile and generic design of the Lumia, providing improved handgrip in Elops sweaty, restless sausage fingers.
Besides moving from the 2nd best Camera phone, Nokia N8, to the best Camera phone Pureview 808 took almost 2 years as well.If the old Nokia has still some R&D tricks to pull out the closet, we may see the next major update in 2014.
"If the old Nokia has still some R&D tricks to pull out the closet, we may see the next major update in 2014."
Of course they do. And how far away is 3D?
falconeyes: Quite a disappointment.The 1020 uses 1.1 µm pixels where the 808 PV uses 1.4 µm pixels. That's quite a large difference, increasing the crop factor from 3.3 (almost like the 2.7 crop of 1" systems) to 4.2. The 35mm-equivalent aperture is F/9.3 (was F/7.9). The 808PV was about diffraction-limited at the center, so this directly translates to a loss of pixel contrast (the 40% difference in light gathering may or may not be covered by BSI technology).
So, while the 808PV rivals the Nikon 1 and Sony RX100, the 1020 only aims to rival enthusiast compacts. Quite a disppointment.
Thank you for pointing this out. It also goes to show what happens when all the focus in the market is to make phones as slim as possible. Even quite a few comments are about "bulk" compared to the 920 (!) and other smartphones. As for the BSI technology making the pixels more responsive to light, it'll be enlightening to read the photgraphic/video reviews.
Roger Knight: I just love this camera.....Er..sorry, phone!With the grip accessory it would make a terrific travel camera.It's simple enough to crop the shots to make telephoto shots out of wide angle takes without losing any resolution.
And a HD video camera with noiseless zooming and HD sound!
capanikon: This is a really terrific camera for people who don't care about photography.
It's a terrific camera that's always with you if you care about taking pictures or filming. It also has a manual control interface. It's amazing in a tiny package.
Gadgety: "the 808 performed only slightly better than a 5-year-old-camera"
Look what dpReview had to say last year about the 808:
"It's hard not to be impressed by the 808's performance here, especially at low ISO sensitivity settings. At its maximum resolution of 38MP the 808 is capable of capturing a ton of detail, and pixel-level image quality is up there with some of the best cameras around. In its 8MP PureView mode pixel-level image quality is extremely high at low ISO settings, and even up at its highest ISOs, the 808 gives a lot of 'proper' cameras a run for their money. "
In addition - the 808 and the 1020 do VIDEO with high resolution stereo audio and noiseless zooming.
It also does 1/16000 to 4 sec exposure range. And is manually controllable.
BTW it's also a music or interview recorder: non-compressed 20bit 48khz recording -120dB, at 140dB distortion free, could be used by an audio studio, furthermore has free off line maps, Nokia Drive offline turn-by-turn navigation (!). And it's a phone.
Of course you could get individual devices that are perhaps a little sharper in each department, but you'd spend a few thousand dollars, and need a bag to carry them all in.
"the 808 performed only slightly better than a 5-year-old-camera"
"Nokia has managed to take some very novel and impressive imaging technology and fit it all eleganty in a device that is effectively no bulkier than most high-end smartphones. "
So true. It's very, very impressive. I guess the desire to lessen the bulk has also diminished the sensor size from the 808's 1/1.2 to 1/1.5. Never mind, this is the #1 camera phone.
DP Review. It makes sense to launch a DPReview mobile site, provided you are able to keep some of your key qualities. One of those is sharing a format among the reviews. Having checked this review out I looked into the Nokia Lumia 920, but unless I'm mistaken it follows an entirely different layout, sections are different, making comparison difficult. You want to have a large audience I suggest you get your review format aligned so that I can tell all reviews are off the same site. In addition, comparisons with various mobile phones within the article would provide some value as well. Good luck.
vetsmelter: In this case the term Pureview is merely used to provide feature completeness to the MS Nokia phones.Too bad, I was hoping it would distinguish a new line of camera's (that can also make calls).Somehow this marketing move shows how far away we are from a Windows Phone Nokia with the set of technology formerly known as Pureview.
Other than that, the 930 nice hardware for a phone.
The N9 should have had this display to make it the eternal Nokia classic.
I agree with the "marketing move" reference. However I've seen somewhere it'll take a year or so to port the True Pureview tech. They will not leave it behind, but have to come out with other stuff in the meantime.
Denton Taylor: Only DPR fans seem impressed. Nokia stock down 16% today after the announcement. IOW, a big yawn.
Joe Ogiba: Nokia has to be the dumbest run smartphone company on the planet. They are bleeding red ink like a fire hose yet they don't want to take advantage of their 808 camera.
I had hoped for a True Pureview à la 808, but I think they have not managed to bring the technology into the WP with the Qualcomm chip. I don't believe it's a case of bad will, just lack of time and resources. I had expected perhaps a 21mp version, which is what this platform can take.