photominion: Does the equivalency-comparison account for the fact that the LX100 uses a crop of the 4/3s sensor and not the entire surface at any given time?
Can't be true, if you think back - even my Olympus 3030Z shootshoot RAW (2000), also my very old Olympus 5050 to 8080, and my DSC-V3 Sony from 2004, too. My G1 Canon also shoots RAW, that was into 2003. And these cameras are very old. It would be like a suicide attempt, today into 2016 releasing an enthusiast camera without RAW feature...nobody would think this.
Can't be true, if you think back - even my Olympus 3030Z shootshoot RAW (2000), also my very old Olympus 5050 to 8080, and my DSC-V3 Sony from 2004, too. My G5 Canon also shoots RAW, that was into 2003. And these cameras are very old. It would be like a suicide attempt, today into 2016 releasing an enthusiast camera without RAW feature...nobody would think this.
Dieuwer: I don't understand why anyone would pay $1000- $1500 for one of these camera's. Especially the Sony RX10 III is over the top ($1500).For that amount of money, you might as well buy a nice Tamron all-in-one lens and a APS-C body.
yes, but i think the RX10 Mk. IIII wouldn't be that bad....
I'd like to see a 35/1.4 or 35/1.8 FE from Samyang with AF.... :-)
@BarnETthe use of the full sensor area does have nothing to do that it can shoot raw, i think size was the limiting factor here, to use the full sensor area (16MP) the LX100 lens would have been slighty bigger...and therefore to huge for this relative, compact camera.
Me too, thats why i'd wait some 2 years or so, for instance, the LX100 can be bought mint for about 450 bucks now, like new.
I don't understand why someone wouldn't buy the RX10 III - it's a way fast lens, and very long focal range, 24-600/2.4-4 is amazing, dust & splashproof body, top display, al-mg build quality, great Zeiss T* lens, seems to be much better than the 24-200/2.8 T* here onto the older RX10(II) iterations - for the occasional wildlife shooter or "birder", there is nothing more & better at this price point than the Mark III RX10, for real. Do you know what a L-series 600mm/F4 Canon does cost, plus the Body, all the bulk & weight for something better image quality? I know Guys with that lens for instance - IQ is superior, but it does come with a very heavy price tag, and that is this lens only. So the RX10 III is really a bargain, especially at F4 600mm Tele End. That reach, lens speed with just 1kg package, plus 4k very hq video is unmatched yet by others.Sonys current 1" sensors are better than DX/APS-C from a few years ago...for instance, Canons aging 18 MP APS-C is a joke compared in DR.
eno2: With this camera Canon will celebrate the 7'th anniversary of using that 18 Mp old sensor, again and again and again....
...and the next 7 years, Canon would recycle that soon becoming older 24 MP Sensor from the 750D/760D iterations. ;)
fuxicek: I have Canon 1000d and although it's a good camera, there is one thing that annoys me all the time - the viewfinder... I wish it was at least like my film Camera Canon 3000v from 2001, but all Rebel series has it somehow small and tunnel like view and it will be the main reason, Ill probably move to mirrorless with nice big EVF, like Panasonic G6/G7/GX 80, unless the succesor of Canon 100d/sl 1 will do something about it...
Just don't use a xxxD or xxxxD Series Canon DSLR, their viewfinders are some kind of joke - small pentamirrors, you'd get a nice, bright pentaprism with the xxD series for instance...and *finally* after zillion years with 100% viewfinder also now into the 80D - a feature, already the Nikon D7000 have had back into 2010....
sh10453: And if that's not cheap enough, Canon is offering the T5 with 2 lenses for under $250, with one year warranty.Who else could pull this one up but Canon!!!
bad joke, i do have 2 bodies for my mf lenses needs. :)
I've seen the A3000 Sony new with 18-55 -not refurbished- as low as 229 EUR some years ago - the Sensor is much better still, the 1300D sensor is the same old story, old whine in new bottles, reycled since the 550D back into 2009, featured into more than 12-13 Canon APS-C DSLR & DSLM Iterations. ;)
pcinhk: As the list of supported Raw cameras is the same as in FastRawViewer (http://www.fastrawviewer.com) it's my guess On1 may be using the LibRaw library.FastRawViewer, is as its name suggests - check out their videos. it might give a hint as to what could be possible in On1 Photo 11.LibRaw co-incidentally recently announced a new stable version on 21 April.
FastRawViewer works great, and fast, as the name implies...scanning all my RAWs with it, it's a way time saver, fast & handy, and i can consider if it's worth to post-process a particular picture then in PS. FRV loads for example PS with the R key...way handy.
naththo: If that does better job than Lightroom then I am in for it! I am growing tired of same Adobe, C1 and DxO, Raw Therapee, etc. Want to try something else. Most software still struggle with only camrea Sony of noise reduction, even A7RII. Thanks to blotchy green and magenta in high ISO photos.
Nothing wrong with RT & DT (RawTherapee & DarkTable), but RT could make the jump to 4.3 or 4.4 at least, they're building still 4.2.xxx branches...both don't have that silly "catalog everything" feature, which is annoying -and best of all, both are FREE, whileas RawTherapee comes to Windows/Linux/OSX, Darktable is for Linux flavour only. ;-)
SirSeth: I mourned the passing to RawShooter and RawShooter Pro when Adobe bought them out. It was the fastest and most intuitive platform I've used. Using LR since, I've never felt like it couldn't be replaced and I really hate Adobe subscription "service" model. ON1 looks more like RawShooter and it looks like they understand that offering a standalone or subscription is essential. I'm looking forward to trying it out. Curious to see what the standalone will cost. But anything that challenges LR is good for me.
That's because Adobe bought Pixmantec, and then developed Lightroom 1.0 into 2007 out of Raw Shooter Premium 2006. And it wasn't that ultra-fast RAW Converter like before then...
marc petzold: I think the winner should be LX100 here. It's still the best of the pack, and the focal length of 24-70 with this fast lens is very good, 24-70/2.8 is the most used standard zoom on FF DSLR/DSLM anyway. I'm wondering what a LX200 would offer, if Panasonic would release one. Perhaps a tilted Touchscreen, and new 20 MP Sensor.
i'd guess the LX100 EVF is a time based-multiplex design, like my G1 EVF, which is in fact 1.44 MP back from 2008. Indoors, and especially when the light is weaker, lots of grain, amplification noise, but outdoor into sunny weather - still way fine. Sony R1 EVF is good from contast, but lags...one can see the actual pixels, because it's only 235.000 pixels, but i work with it for more than 10 years. :-)
If someone really wants to see a worst case EVF, check the Alpha 3000 Sony - great Sensor (APS-C) cheap Body, plastic Eyecup, but the EVF from this 2013 DSLM is even more worse much than my DSC-R1 Sony back from 2005...less sharp, lots of color fringing, bad resolution, distortion, etc...but one gets used to it...anyway, the camera works great with old MF lenses, also eMount lenses. ;)
I think the winner should be LX100 here. It's still the best of the pack, and the focal length of 24-70 with this fast lens is very good, 24-70/2.8 is the most used standard zoom on FF DSLR/DSLM anyway. I'm wondering what a LX200 would offer, if Panasonic would release one. Perhaps a tilted Touchscreen, and new 20 MP Sensor.
The perfect digital M Series for street photography, and the rich & wealthy people, in the style of Henri Cartier-Bresson. But the very few Leica shooters i've seen during the past, have been still shooting with an old M3.
dwill23: When Canon ruled the DSLR cameras from 2002-2010ish DPReview NEVER said Nikon lags behind. They wouldn't even hint that Canon's CMOS was cleaner. You could see comparisons, but that's about it.
The way DPR bashes Canon is simply amazing, and sad.
This is the best Canon sensor EVER! of all time! This is like Canon taking over next year and saying how horrible Sony's brand new sensors are,...they are still better than what they are today.
People who complain don't realize these sensors are the very best from Canon, and in most shooting it's not that easy to see Sony's 1-1.5 stop current lead.
This frustrates the majority of DLRS shooters,....Canon shooters.
Canon lost (already) the Ball back into 2007/8, not into 2010 something - since the D3 & D700 came out, their Sensors truly lagged behind in terms of DR & IQ therefore. Nikon hit hard with this double strike back then. The only thing about back into 2008 was: The 5D II was a good (at that time) Video DSLR, for instance the first episodes of Dr. House have been filmed with a 5D II. Otherwise, the Nikon (Sony) Sensors have been better...and it stays the same now into 2016. Canon DR is still behind, but DR doesn't always matter. When Canon was really great: 10D to 30D, 1Ds, 1Ds Mk. II, 5D Original - after that, not soo much changed...the usual suspects, upgrades, newer iterations, etc. But i've read onto the Web the 1DX II should be a very fine DSLR. I don't doubt it. :-) But Canon needs to provide something more, sth that hits with impact, like the 5D back into 2005.
marc petzold: Although one can make good pictures with any camera, almost...this 80D Sensor isn't a match for the D7200 - and the "new" 18-135 Nano USM Lens does have the same MTF charts as the STM predecessor, but with much CAs. Why are many pictures (samples) here being made with the 16-35/4L USM? Because that 18-135 nano USM isn't that great...but Canon wants to sell it (mostly) for the Guys which do video with their 80D.
Dan, i think into a previous review or preview about the 18-135 USM you wrote here that this lens isn't that good, i've found too much CAs from these samples back that day, then. For the casual Shooter, it might be great - but if one doesn't need that ultra-fast nanoUSM AF drive, the "old" 18-135 STM lens from 2013 is the better, because way cheaper alternative lens, with the same IQ & focal length. :)