justmeMN: A band named after a smartphone operating system? :-)
Indeed, but believe these folks are so young, it's named after the smartphone os. ;)
RGiskard: What is important to me is not that the L16 can hit any given level of DSLR performance, but that the computational/software techniques work. The cell phone camera sensors will continue to get better at an astronomical rate. Hundreds of millions of cell phone sensors are made per year, and companies are pushing the quality to new heights every year. I dare say the rate of improvement is far greater than the DSLR/mirrorless market. If the multi-sensor technique is solid, imagine what this type of product will bring when the sensors have much greater DR, better resolution, lower noise, etc.
I guess what I am saying is that if 16 cheap sensors are similar in performance to one really expensive sensor, I expect the camera made from the 16 cheap sensors will be the one to beat in 3-5 years.
yep, that might be so...the software (don't think it'll also record RAW, too) would be a CPU ressource eater ;)
mpgxsvcd: What I fail to see is how 16 tiny sensors with equally tiny lenses are going to equate to the depth of field control of a large sensor and equally large lenses. Just because you can focus at multiple points simultaneously doesn’t mean you will achieve the shallow depth of field and pleasurable out of focus regions that a DSLR can achieve.
The total area of all of those lenses doesn’t come close to the area of a wide aperture DSLR lens. There is no way these cameras could ever achieve the light gathering capabilities that a DSLR can achieve.
In the end I bet this camera will almost achieve the results that a single 1” sensor could achieve.
The biggest fail for this even interesting concept is, imagine you can't use any kind of polarizer or other filters in front, and what does happen when you do your shot and one or a couple mini holes for the tiny camera modules would be a bit smeared, dirty, so you won't notice on 1st sight? can you post process that error out in software later? It reminds me somehow about astro photography, where you do shoot 7 to 9 frames and bei combining them you reduce the noise drastically, and improve DR....it's some kind of way this new L16 also works, but combining these cam modules to a complete picture.
Perhaps the L16 works with features equal or similar to DxO One "temporal noise reduction" feature. Fact is, the L16 relies heavily on software, computing power.
For many ppl out there, an smartphone sensor would do, i'd prefer personally any digicam with at least a current 1 inch BSI Sony sensor.
And 35-150mm Focal length for Zoom is a weird range.... most current Smartphones are all 28mm fixed focal length, F1.9 to F2.2 Aperture.24mm is also built-in very few. 35mm starting focal length reminds me about Digicams with 3x Zoom about 10+ years ago.
obsolescence: I would like to suggest another product category: RAW Conversion / Processing software. I think it's such an important component in the workflow for high quality imaging.
...continued....with only the NX1 and two S-Class lenses from Samsung currently, i wouldn't buy into semi-pro APS-C waters, instead, any proven Canikon FF Body & lenses would be much cheaper, especially when you dont need the latest features & video, and you can save a lot of bucks when going 2nd Hand, and also do enjoy a lot of fun with the hobby Photography, no offence.
@LMBC it's not my thought, because i don't own a NX1. The 24-105 F4L isn't the best option out there, but mostly being considered as the "L-Kitlens", as it does have been produced since 10 years and it's not the best IQ-wise, eben it's a good lens anyway - own it, too. For instance, the 24-70/4 L is a bit better, but also serious more expensive, and the 24-70/2.8 Mk. II is really out of reach...but rumors are saying, in order to compete with Nikons latest 24-70/2.8 E VR, a Mk. III would come out perhaps into 2016 with IS, too. I think Canon should make a 24-105 L F4 Mk.II with updated IS (4 to Stops compared to 3 in real life situations) and the lens glass more optimized for current High MP FF Sensors.
ttran88: What will Nikon and Canon bring us next year? I'm very interested to see what Nikon and Canon bring us in regards to mirrorless. Have always wanted to try a Canon let's see if 2016 is the year.
I'd love to see a Nikon SP-styled Rangefinder with FF Sensor & Nikon F-Mount of course.
The Samsung 16-50 S lens is something suspect for myself, as some reviews mentioned into Reviews the lens is soft somehow, and also it does only fit Samsungs NX Mount - no other camera System else, and because it's that huge & expensive, one would literally only buy this for a NX1, which does have very little market share, because that huge lens onto a NX500 Body wouldn't make sense, the handling would be very top-heavy, and no EVF, too....
I'd guess DPReview is waiting with their A7R II Review after mid-October, so that they could Test with the new Firmware Update with uncompressed RAW, doing their Review. ;)
dcolak: DPReview, please compare NEX7/6 EVF with A7RII's.
Brightness, sharpness, quality of EVF focus magnifier.
Maybe my eyes were playing tricks but I say NEX7 has better, brighter, easier to use EVF than A7RII.
yes, but it was soo useless, because almost nobody used soo crappy old software, which forced to be run in non-turbo mode. ;)
first PCs? even my self-build 486DX4-133 rig does have had a Turbo Button, and a Gigabyte Mainboard ;)
That NEX6/7 viewfinder doesn't produce a 100% stable view, please check out yourself. :-) And wasn't bad meant at all. C64, i do have had, too...and A500. Those where these days...later then a 286-12 MHz NCR ;)
@dcolak was that all worth for your 5 sec attention? i know that quite well, i do have PCs for >30 years - so much for that. (Commodore Plus 4 was 1st). I and i am >40, your joke doesn't make sense at all.
Nope, but my eyes are way sensible about flickering for example, and the picture from the NEX6/7 EVF is not 100% stable, just like a more natural View through on OVF, an optical Viewfinder.
Back into non-flatscreen TFTs, that means CRT (ordinary Monitors) i could easily tell you which one was flickering at 60 Hz, 75Hz 85Hz...
@dcolak i do have way delicate (and light sensitive) eyes, too. The NEX-6 EVF live-picture is somehow not steady 100%, can't describe it into words, and my Unit was brand-new when buying, i've seen other NEX-6 & 7, they're all the same.
@naththo i can smell silly user comments. I do use focus peaking all the time with my eMount Sonys - and for the Canon DSLR, its nothing for absolute beginners, and you need a steady hand, best works with a tripod, focusing manual. I do only static objects, so its not a issue for me.
You're bloody right, Ed. :-) I do have the Grid focusing screen for my 5D, and it's so quite nice. But i'd love to have a split focusing screen, just like for my old analogue SLR, back into these days...
I can tell you from my NEX-6 Experience that i've found the EVF somehow worse than the 1.44 MP EVF onto my Nikon V1. Because: It's flickering unnaturally even in daylight, but it does get the job done. With the A7 (Mk. I) EVF i am also not satisfied.Perhaps with a EVF into the 4-5 MP Range someday, no detectable lag, and no grain/flickering then...until then, i prefer just a good OVF into a DSLR.
spunksters: I got the Epson PhotoPC 500 in December of 1996. It required AA batteries and could only store about 16-20 photos at 640x480 resolution. The photos were downloaded via a serial cable and Epson's software. I used Photoshop 4 (the first edition with layers) later in 1997 to work with the photos.
I've had 1st contact with Photoshop 3.0.4. It was too complicated to me, have been onto the PSP (Paint Shop Pro) Train since the very beginning, when it was a little, neat Shareware, running under Windows 3.0....we've had at work PS at 5.0, 6.0 and 7.0 levels finally...but i jumped onto the PS train from PSP after 12.xx, Corel in my Eyes did not well what Jasc created, and since CS4 i am onto the PS Waggon. Now i can't stand the GUI for real from the last current PSP releases, but won't ever switch back.
RolliPoli: As the precursor to 'translucent mirror' cameras, I hope proper mention is made of the Olympus E10 - E20 camera series. As well as using a fixed translucent prism between both the eye piece and image sensor to eliminate the moving mirror years before Sony built its first DSLR of any kind, the E10 was the first 'live view' DSLR 5 or 6 years before the E330 I still enjoy using my E20 even though it's now a digital museum piece. .....metal body with an f2 - f2.4 lens
You're just right, it was a DSLR, but like a bridgecam with mounted, fast zoom lens, and 2/3" sensor Size - and, very expensive at that time. I still remember when the E10 was into local camera stores...meh, was it expensive...and whopping 4 MP.
Congrats, Jeff...do you still take the old lady somedays out, does it still work? ;)