marc petzold: http://photorumors.com/2015/11/20/another-nail-in-the-coffin-samsung-will-stop-selling-cameras-in-the-netherlands/#more-77279
Now Samsung stops also their NX Series Camera Business into the Netherlands! One would be stupid to buy a NX1, just having 2 S-Class Lenses avialable, and this unpredicted future...first germany here, and now the netherlands...and into 6 months global? Sad, but true - under these circumstances, i'd buy only Samsung Gear on firesale with a huge discount, *if* i would be into the market for a new camera, but i don't atm.
Agreed, but it's not classified as an S-Class Lens into Samsungs NX Lineup. Well, the 85/1.4 SSA is really good, but APS-C, not FF, like all Samsung Lenses. Nothing wrong with that. It's more a rougly ~128mm lens, so you'd compare it to a 135/2.8 mostly with FF, but it's F/1.4.
Mike FL: SONY is still releasing cameras or old A-Mount while Samsung is ending its new NX1.
Even if Samsung release a NX2 or even a FF next year, who would like to take a chance?
Basically, Samsung is losing its cameras' user base by NX1.
Moreover, it may be ok for losing user base which can regain, but it seems that Samsung is loosing users' trust which may be not able to rebuild.
Lets say at least that Samsung does not fully understand that making [high-end] system camera is not same as making P&S, smartphone, tablet, or TV.
The Point is, Samsung isn't a "real" Camera brand with decades of Userbase and legacy, such as Canikon, Pentax & Fujifilm is, for instance. Samsung is best known today for their smartphones, TVs and also electronics. Sony bought Konica-Minolta, but is still developing A-Mount cameras (A68), whileas prefering their own eMount Mirrorless System.
Samsung tried it with their NX System since early 2010, but failed to gain enough market share and making too much loss with their camera department year after year. :-/
Sony onto the other side advances and brings real innovations for the last 2-3 years in a row...on all markets, see RX100 Series up to the A7R & A7S II currently.
Fujifilm brings finally new bodies 2016 with more then 16 MP, and developed a huge (and expensive) X-Lens System.
Nikon does make small steps...the usual Stuff (D750, D810 from D800(e) )
Canon....the 5D III is getting way old....the Mk. IV should be out after the 1D X II in spring 2016. 5DS(R) not so amazing.
Sorry Mr. RAW, it's not gonna happen, they're only the 16-50/2.8 S and the 50-150/2.8 S out there - nothing more, nothing less would come from Samsung in that way. Their UWW S-Class Lens never saw the light of day...
I didn't say the other lenses aren't good, they are...but not to their S-Class own Samsung Standards, and the 16-50/2.8 S is soft at the corners at 16mm (24mm focal length, as german reviews stated - no offence)
Hugo808: I think they've quit too soon. Sure, most of us are wedded to Canikon but new people take up the hobby all the time and there aint nothing wrong with Samsung stuff. They've just got to invest a bit more and hope for the best.
Even *if* the sensor was very good from the NX1/NX500, well, technically it was ground-breaking, their 28 MP BSI tech sensor - it doesn't help when you don't have a wide-spread System like Canikon, Samsung doesn't have had any legacy, their NX Line was quite new, it started with their NX10 & NX100 some years ago... Fujifilm is more successfully with their X-Series.
For comparsion, one should just look how fast Fujifilm built-up a rral userbase and many lenses for their X-System, Samsung had also lenses, but only *2* of them have been S-Class, a Standard Zoom just and a Telelens...compared to the others....too little, too late...i'd guess their NX1/NX500 Lineup had eaten up too much other Samsung Ressources, developers, R&D, Marketing etc...etc...and Samsung is & was loosing money onto the Camera Market year after year...it couldn't go that way down forever....sadly.
Don Diafragma: Confirmed by Samsung Benelux (Netherlands + Belgium + Luxemburg) as well by mouth of Mrs. Anne ter Braak from Samsung.
"Wij passen ons snel aan de marktvraag aan. In Nederland zien we een geleidelijke en aanhoudende daling van de vraag naar digitale camera's, camcorders en bijbehorende accessoires. Daarom hebben wij besloten de sales- en marketingactiviteiten voor deze producten af te bouwen. Dit is een lokale beslissing op basis van de lokale marktomstandigheden."
Like i wrote days ago, the Photorumors Site was right. Sad, but true. Maybe someday Olympus will team up with Panasonic, and then there would be only Canikon, Sony, and some sort of Pentax left..after all. Contax is dead for a long time now...and so is Yashica, and Minolta, Konica & others...
Randy Veeman: All the A7RII bundles with a lens are over $4300. OUCH!
Some are willing to pay that much, but I'd bet 98% of prospective buyers would laugh at the price. Just get the D750 with better performance and near identical IQ. It is a bit bigger, but can shoot faster FPS and such, AND their are so many native lens bargains with great IQ. Try to find a native 50mm F1.9 prime on the Sony for under $200 - ain't gonna happen!
It's gonna happen - just 4 fun, Yashica ML 50/1.7! About 90-95% as good as the C/Y Planar 50/1.7 in IQ terms, i got my copy 2014 for 20 bucks incl. Shipping. Adapts fine with Sonys eMount Mirrorless Cameras. Ok, it's MF, and not native, but works well, even on a A3000/NEX-5 with LensTurbo II.
surlezi: Put all the pros of the A7RII, improve ergonomics, speed and battery, put a 24 Mpxls sensor allowing fast burst: this is what A7III should be, the best camera out there... fingers crossed, I need a good reason to update my A7 and don't need 42Mpxls, so I would trade them for speed...
Just right....and 24 MP is way....much Megapixels...i'm doing fine with 12 MP, even less often. ;-)
mailman88: Just think....the pro's once used Canon's 10D and 20D. Got great results and made plenty of money.
Just right, and the 30D still does a great job. Check out my b&w samples into the Gallery here, mostly done with a 30D & 10-18 STM.
kwa_photo: The NX1 may be a fine camera...BUT, how can it be "recommended" for someone when it's being discontinued in Europe (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8930601010/samsung-nx1-discontinued-in-europe-rumors-say-yes) and it's likely going to spread that way to the Americas and Asia as well. Recommending someone buy into a NEW system that was just getting its feet wet, but now is looking to be going away, doesn't make any sense to me at all.
I drove a Saab for many years (9-5 sedan) and loved it. When I needed a new car, Saab had just announced it was going to sell off the car division. Did I buy another, even though I would have loved to? Nope! I'd steer clear of the NX the same way...great camera, good luck with parts and service down the road.
Owning Canikon, Samsung, Sony, Pentax & Panasonic... i do like the Nikon Menues most.
Just Ed: Owned a D600 and now have two 6D's and also use a 5D mkiii. The 6D is quite uderrated. In my experience it focuses far better than Nik's D600 particularily in low light. My point is more focus points does not equal a better focusing system. I recently took a frame of a luminous flashlight in a dark room using autofocus and exposure and the 6D did quite well. Yesterday took pics of a friend and her foster 9 month old hyper energy pointer. Not a single frame was out of focus on the 6D. Now, had I taken the 5D mkiii with me that would have been my go to. But Canon's under rated ff can be had refurbed for under a thousand bucks and will probably be cheaper if they replace it next Spring. It is an image taking machine which adds wifi and gps (use the latter often for travel and events). All my glass is L glass so that helps overall performance. 24-70L, 70-200 f/4 L and also use 100-400 mkii L..
Someday if my 5D fails, i'd get a 6D in mint condition 2nd hand...but otherwise, i am completely fine & set with the 5D....the 5D III is slightly worse in IQ terms vs 6D, according to DxOMark, and 2 MP more.
Anyway, it's sad that Canon couldn't keep up yet with Nikon in DR terms.
marc petzold: I'm quite wondering what Sony would release as the cat out of the bag into Fall/Winter 2016 season when the A7R III would come out...maybe. :-)
Exactly my thoughts about this. Perhaps i am tempted to get a A7S II in some couple years when it's being cheap 2nd hand...but i have my doubts that it'll survive 10+ years and perfectly working just like the original 5D...in terms of build quality and electronics...well...time will tell...then.
Daniel Lauring: Dpreview needs to rewrite the Samsung NX1 portion with the HUGE caveat that Samsung has abandoned their camera program and there is no future lenses or suipport.
yes, a NX1 for 499 bucks on firesale.... and 499 for the 16-50 S, too....but i have enough gear, don't need new tech.
brownie314: Hard to understand how the d610 didn't win in this group. Sure, no WiFi (built in anyway), and video AF sucks, but for thinhs that matter to stills photographers (taking good images) this thing rocks. Makes everything else look stupid or broken. This is still a photography website right?
yes, even in 2015, 10 years after, a great bargain nowadays. newer bodies have 100+ features more, but it's not needed.into the end, the IQ is still way good.
Maybe Sony would take a longer tooth now after so many innovations this year and a A7R III would come as early as 2017...perhaps.
Attention C8080 Owners - does someone know where to get a new faux leather for the handgrip? My "8080" is like new, works like a charm, everything perfect, -78 Firmware for ages installed - but the faux leather onto the handgrip got broken within the years, and i'd really love to put a new one onto it, so it looks like new whileas doing fine pictures anyway in 2015.
The cold al-mg body grip is slippery and also not so good looking without that leather attached over the grip.
Tord S Eriksson: The C-8080 was my first 'serious' digital camera (had a Konica KD-500Z before that), which I bought when I got a small inheritance (UW house, flash, the works).
A superb compact, with excellent one-hand operation (most buttons within reach with your right hand still holding the camera).
Mine is still in working order, still takes lovely macros, and flash shots, but its flaws were plenty as well (a few samples):
It crashed on the third day of my vacation to the US and Canada with my wife, and had to be sent overseas to get new firmware installed (nowadays we are allowed to do such things ourselves)!
It is still lousy in any kind of back-lighting (I use to call the effect 'lilac rivers', as both the EVF, and the LCD became totally useless, due to floods of lilac color flowing over them) but the prints were not affected, bar a lot of flare problems).
Its powered zoom, that had four steps (wide, less wide, normal, and full telephoto), and nothing in between. Nice macro, though. Cont
...and it's best at ISO 50/64, ISO 100 also quite well.
OldPaint: Bought mine new at Sam's for $400. Build quality amazing and the camera with original battery still taking nice low ISO shots today.
LOL, get really tired of "loose lens comments" over the years;)
yes, the lens tube shakes a bit inside the barrel, but who cares?It's exactly the same with the Nikon AF-S DX 18-70 lens, but both take great pictures from IQ.
Set it on ISO 50, 64...Tripod, shoot RAW...process with your favorite RAW Converter and be amazed what IQ this baby still delivers into late 2015, almost 12 years after being released! :-)That lens really delivers the goods, for a Zoom, it's way sharp, even more if you'd think it's 2004 tech.
MarinusK: I have mine already for ten years. And still, when I go traveling abroad, I leave my Nikon D7000 with all the best lenses for it at home without any regrets and take my lightweight C8080 with me. With all the shortcomings of the C8080, it is still a great camera which delivers great sharp pictures with very nice collars. And like somebody here already have mentioned, it's macro is very good.Besides, my credo is: Don't zoom to much, but move yourself more. For me, taking pictures means walking around and looking first. How to press the shutter-release-knob you can teach any monkey.
+1. No D7000, 5D or alikes in harsh weather conditions.C8080 is still going strong, looks like mint still, works very reliable. Just be sure to have the "latest" 757-78 Firmware Update installed.
AF Hunts less in lowlight, 16GB CF Cards no problem, and i think a bit less noise than -74 and other Firmware. IQ from ISO 50, 64 is superb. Hence into 2015 great IQ, for Stills photography way good, way long RAW saving times, but alright, still photography is no rush either way...especially on a Tripod. :-)
IQ from this great 5x Zoom is sharper than the 20D with 50/1.4 lens, as the DPR Review said - that's a benchmark, even for early 2004, this cam is almost 12 years old and going way strong.
I'm quite wondering what Sony would release as the cat out of the bag into Fall/Winter 2016 season when the A7R III would come out...maybe. :-)