Toni was here.
Or a Sony A6000. With the compact 16-50 they are almost the same size and have almost the same focal length and aperture (well, depending on how you do the calculation anyway). The Sony sensor is not only larger, the Panny is smaller than m43 (the effective area used at least). The lens may be better in the LX100, but the EVF and AF better in the A6000. You also get double the pixels, a tilt LCD, a built-in flash and last but no least a lens mount.
I only see two reasons to get the Panny: 4K, and look and feel, as it is a beautiful camera with some nice retro controls.
Anastigmat: Does the market still exist for a high end APS-C model costing almost 2000 dollars in 2014?
Apparently... not for Nikon. Look at their D400. Seems they are retreating to the FF quarters.
Antonio Rojilla: In-Camera Digital Shift???
Really? Do they use the 5-axis IS to shift the sensor? Like Pentax cameras do (but I think they use it for star trailing or something astronomy related).
If this works, this feature alone will make me switch back to Olympus. Sounds too good, I hope someone can confirm how it works. I'll switch even if it's only image processing but with an updated Live View image of the final result excluding areas that would be cropped, but if the sensor shifts, wow, that would be amazing.
Thanks for the link. Reading this:
"being done LIVE while shooting, and you can see your correction adjustments as you shoot"
This way I think it will still work great as a preview tool of the final result, which is better than pure guess. A step in the right direction if anything else. When possible I will give a try to an E-M1 with the updated firmware and see if this feature can convince me. It does on paper.
Yes, I guess it's software only. But since shifting the sensor using the IS system is something Pentax already did (but for other purpose), it's not something Olympus couldn't do. Guess they didn't, but will keep some hopes until someone confirms how it works, as I'd love such a feature.
Anyway, if it's only software, I'd also welcome it if it lets me frame with a processed Live View showing the final result with crops applied. That's the problem I have now wit processing, that when I frame the picture I don't know how much I'll need to crop and what the final image will really look like or even what aspect ratio it'll have. Even if it's only for JPG, that'd be fine as I can shoot JPG and then reframe accordingly for the RAW.
Franz Weber: And what about 1080p 60fps or higher bitrates? Heck 4K?
It's there. You just need to look closer. So close that you can read Pa-na-so-nic.
In-Camera Digital Shift???
Antonio Rojilla: I'll tell you what I need: a site that doesn't hijack the browser history!
And no, we don't need the X30. It's nice and all, I like it, but it can't offer the quality/options and handling pleasure of the X-Pro1/X-T1 (with their shutter speed buttons, aperture rings -in some lenses anyway-, lens options...). It even lost the OVF, that while not that practical as the new EVF, it was a distinction.
And compared to compacts, which is what it should be compared to, well, the RX100 III set the bar. Fast lens, EVF, tilting LCD... and a larger sensor... in a more compact body. If Fuji don't want or just can't match this, at least they should have gone for the 'traditional' experience of the bigger brothers, keeping the OVF (improving it if possible) and adding even more 'manual' controls. It has lost soul and looks subpar compared to the latest Sonys.
@Richar Shih Yes. You know, when you enter the site, click on an article and then you click the back button... and you are kept in the same page because the site added another page to the browser's history. And this is the only site I regularly visit where this happens to me.
@twadger I don't know any good anti-virus... for Linux.
I'll tell you what I need: a site that doesn't hijack the browser history!
Antonio Rojilla: I love this camera. I like the style, design, controls, features, -expected- quality, and even the brand. But it has a problem: the RX100 III. As much as I like this Fuji, I'd pick the Sony.
That pleasure factor is high in my list, and that's why my camera is the X-Pro1 with the 14mm F2.8 almost glued to it. Shutter speed dial, aperture ring, focus scale... Now that I saw it in the X-T1, all I miss is the ISO dial.
The Sony lacks all that, but so does the X30 (well, except for the comp. dial, that I don't find that appealing when the other controls aren't 'traditional') and the Coolpix. Yet Sony managed to put a tilting LCD and an EVF (I think the Nikon lacks both), and, compared to the Fuji, a larger sensor, in such a smaller body that it makes it for me the best compact.
I love this camera. I like the style, design, controls, features, -expected- quality, and even the brand. But it has a problem: the RX100 III. As much as I like this Fuji, I'd pick the Sony.
Infared: Yawn...a slow zoom everything nothing lens...zzzzzzzz
I guess your car must be a Ferrari.
Simon Zeev: I will not buy a camera without an EVF.I changed my DSLR camera for mirrorless to have an EVF.
So? Do you thing they designed this camera with you in mind?
G3User: The demise of photography continues. Another toy camera from Sony. No view finder and a screen for selfie's. Smile detector. What a joke. May as well use a cell phone.
The demise of relevant comments continues.
SeeRoy: The pop-up VF is certainly an improvement over NO VF. However it shows that there's still a half-assed commitment to using these cameras at arm's length and framing with the rear screen. Personally the only thing I use the screen for is setup and occasional review of a shot - which has become far less important since we are able to see a live histogram in the VF (I'm an M4/3 shooter who also has an under-used FF Nikon system.) Gee-whiz huge screens are functionally inconsequential.This would have been a much more attractive product if some screen size had been sacrificed to an integral VF with the remaining liberated space perhaps allocated to additional controls. As it is it's a silly compromise: the VF has first to be deployed before it's usable (which slows operation) and it adds mechanical complexity and fragility.The price of these cameras is ridiculous too.
Sure. The world revolves around you. And just you.
Valentinian: With the focusing speed, accuracy and focus point choice that m4/3 cameras are getting, isn't the Lithro technology on a dead end? why focus after taking a picture , when you can focus before ? what am I missing?
Your are missing things like this:
Click the arrows below to see more examples. Not that this camera will be killer, but I think this technology will be common in the future.
bluevellet: Detail is impressive. High ISO is not so much; barely a stop better than APS-C and M43. I would have liked to check the A7 IQ too to see if the lesser pixel density/MP make a difference in high ISO.
But man, that Phase One image quality is completely in another league. :D
When you say "barely a stop better" I guess you refer in comparison with other 36 MP M43 cameras, right?
Paul JM: Funny camera to place. I have owned the OMD original now for about a year. I like it, but I hardly use it. Great camera, but for me it is neither here nor there. Not small enough to put in the pocket, but for me the sensor is just too small to act as my everyday serious camera. When travelling now, I take the Fuji XE1. In low light, in combination with the wonderful Fuji lenses for me it is a league ahead of the OMDFor serious work, I still use the 5D mk2If I want something casual to put in my pocket I take the RX100So, for me, I am struggling to find a role for the Olympus. Great piece of kit, but I see it as being caught in the middle now. This body looks and sounds great, but it is still bridled with that tiny sensor
@nikoninmybag You are here wasting your time in the internets... you don't have a clue what poverty is.
Eric Glam: (continued)
I want a 1920x1080 120Hz LCD, with iPhone-like touch experience and 3-axis hinges.
I wanna see USB3.0 & HDMI 2.0.
I want fast cards, like CFast, or even an M.2 NGFF SSD.
I wanna see choice of stills formats. Let the user select which one he/she prefers:Uncompressed RAW - ARW & DNG.Compressed - JPEG, Microsoft JPEG-XR & Google WEBP.
I guess I expected too much.
And here I am going back to film...
Photog74: Anyone know if you can use lenses with M42 screw-mounts - or lenses with Pentax K bayonet mounts - on these things (using an adapter, of course)?
Rice High had a new post titled "FF Mirrorless to Adopt All K-mount FF Lenses to Come in Less Than 3 Hours!".