Raw comparison at f6.3 for the FZ200 and f3.5 for the FZ150? is that correct? if so, wouldnt that give a good advantage for the FZ150? in resolution terms? (less diffraction for the FZ150)
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Posted on Nov 17, 2012 at 01:48:14 UTC
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this is something i dont understand...isnt the foveon sensor supposed to enlarge better than the bayer? i never got good large prints from my DP1s...maximum of 11X17...and even then not great...
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Posted on Oct 30, 2012 at 21:12:25 UTC
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Here comes the V2...with minor improvements, too bad...im into photos, not video....nikon, you will stay behind competition....mirrorless all over the place, and nikon worried about not hurting their APS-C sales....
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worldcup1982: please not with the crap panasonic sensor....
@micahmedia ..i understand that is better than the old ones. But panasonic can make better than that...its about 4 years developing sensors and very little improvement. i honestly dont care about high iso noise, as long they can at least give low iso DR on par with 2 years aps-c sensors...
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the mono eye: Personal opinion: should have remove the optical view finder should have wider lens should have brighter lens should have better battery life should have the option of using filter + lens hood together
All in all is great improvement, but these downsides made me stand still and wait for the mirrorless from Canon instead (if any)
and give an optional evf...
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So, some questions..will it be easy to go to your favorite focal lenght?(35, 70mm or whatever...?)..how usable is the viewfinder?..how quick (since most of cameras are now pretty quick) is the AF? if its as the previous Gs, i wouldnt buy it...
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Posted on Jan 9, 2012 at 14:23:00 UTC
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rockjano: I am such a proud Hungarian right now. So many people don't know about him in his country sorrily...
Kertész means gardener.
jano
Didn't know it means gardener...he lived poorly in US for quite a time untill get noticed. News is that he in some point of his life went to MOMA (if im not mistaken) and gave a bunch of his photographs for some employee there, addressing them to the curator or whatever, and said: tell him a dead man left these photos.
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Posted on Sep 8, 2011 at 19:22:29 UTC
Among my 10 top list for sure....Koudelka, HCB, Larrain, Sebastião Salgado and a few more...good to see real photography (as a subject) in this website
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Posted on Sep 8, 2011 at 18:24:22 UTC
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fotopizza: I have just tested the SD1 myself. In daily work I use Mamiya RZ67 with PhaseOne P45+ Back, Sigma SD14, or occassionally Pentax K-5, Nikon D700, Sony A900. My own SD1 test was performed with: 105 + 70mm Makros, 50mm 1.4 HSM, 17-50mm f2.8 HSM OS. ALL of these lenses showed exellent results and enormous detail resolution at low ISO, even the zoom lens. The SD1 lacks the enormous highlight DR I`m used to from my SD14, that`s sad. Still, the clean and detailed output at ISO 200 blows everything away that the CaNiSoPenOly community has to offer right now. I would even prefer my SD14 over K5, D700(0), 7D any time- but only as long as the sun is shining or I`m in studio. SD1: Everything above ISO 400 is unsuable at the moment- less so because of the noisy sensor output, but the only RAW software for these files is SPP at the moment- and SPP is so full of bugs- it really can`t handle these files, and very often, it totally spoils or damages the output. Let`s wait untill SPP is working. Dennis
Please dont get it in the wrong way, im not in anyway critisizing you or your abilities as a photographer. Your claims just make no sense. DR has nothing to do with preserving the highlights and fillimg the shadows and then see what the results are. BTW, all tests (by professionals) showed clearly that shadow noise in sonys sensor (D7000, D5100 and K5) is veryy little, so your cameras must be defective. And BTW, i do jhave a DP1s, and made tests against a D300 from a friend of mine, and his camera has a little bit of better DR...and as you observed, my Dp1s shadows when lifted, pretty much SUCK...much more than bayer cameras...even so, the SD1 seems better regarding this... Regards
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Faintandfuzzy: Well...guess I'll be the one to rain on the parade. What I see here offer the typical Foveon "look" that some people claim is "film-like." I'll go ahead and disagree that there is nothing film like about these at all. What I see has the normal look of a lack of AA filter...in other words, aliasing artifacts on high contrast transition areas. Color no better than any Bayer camera. A look that appears someone has applied a USM of 500, 0.2, 0.....twice....even when no sharpening is applied.
The sad thing is if these were posted in a Canon or Nikon forum, no one would claim any special look...other than having issues with the high ISO color shifts and oversharpened look of the images.
I dont think foveon has anything to with film. It actually shows much more digital look than bayer, but it does have a different special look.
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Posted on Sep 7, 2011 at 13:20:48 UTC
Octane: I was very excited to look at these, but I have to say I'm anything but impressed. I don't see the 'amazing detail' others seem to see here.
I agree with a previous comment that these looks oversharpened but don't seem to have the detail I would have expected from a true color pixel sensor.
I also don't think the colors looks particularly impressive, but that's no surprise. The second and third layer color channel is suffering from light loss of the layers above. The signal to noise ratio can't be anywhere close to Beyer sensor, thus it has a clear disadvantage in terms of colors.
The best detail I have seen recently was the samples from the Samsung NX200. That camera even outperforms the Sony A77 and is sharp into the corners and is amazing at handling contrast.
Me too...and samsung jpeg is not great either, have to wait for the raw samples
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Posted on Sep 7, 2011 at 13:17:48 UTC
fotopizza: I have just tested the SD1 myself. In daily work I use Mamiya RZ67 with PhaseOne P45+ Back, Sigma SD14, or occassionally Pentax K-5, Nikon D700, Sony A900. My own SD1 test was performed with: 105 + 70mm Makros, 50mm 1.4 HSM, 17-50mm f2.8 HSM OS. ALL of these lenses showed exellent results and enormous detail resolution at low ISO, even the zoom lens. The SD1 lacks the enormous highlight DR I`m used to from my SD14, that`s sad. Still, the clean and detailed output at ISO 200 blows everything away that the CaNiSoPenOly community has to offer right now. I would even prefer my SD14 over K5, D700(0), 7D any time- but only as long as the sun is shining or I`m in studio. SD1: Everything above ISO 400 is unsuable at the moment- less so because of the noisy sensor output, but the only RAW software for these files is SPP at the moment- and SPP is so full of bugs- it really can`t handle these files, and very often, it totally spoils or damages the output. Let`s wait untill SPP is working. Dennis
Even if dont care about tests, they mean something, the SD14 is not better than the K5 in DR, its they way you are doing the exposure that makes you think like that.
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Posted on Sep 7, 2011 at 13:15:17 UTC
Raw comparison at f6.3 for the FZ200 and f3.5 for the FZ150? is that correct? if so, wouldnt that give a good advantage for the FZ150? in resolution terms? (less diffraction for the FZ150)
this is something i dont understand...isnt the foveon sensor supposed to enlarge better than the bayer? i never got good large prints from my DP1s...maximum of 11X17...and even then not great...
Question, is it possible to know which flenght you are using? thanks.
Here comes the V2...with minor improvements, too bad...im into photos, not video....nikon, you will stay behind competition....mirrorless all over the place, and nikon worried about not hurting their APS-C sales....
worldcup1982: please not with the crap panasonic sensor....
@micahmedia ..i understand that is better than the old ones. But panasonic can make better than that...its about 4 years developing sensors and very little improvement. i honestly dont care about high iso noise, as long they can at least give low iso DR on par with 2 years aps-c sensors...
please not with the crap panasonic sensor....
the mono eye: Personal opinion:
should have remove the optical view finder
should have wider lens
should have brighter lens
should have better battery life
should have the option of using filter + lens hood together
All in all is great improvement, but these downsides made me stand still and wait for the mirrorless from Canon instead (if any)
and give an optional evf...
So, some questions..will it be easy to go to your favorite focal lenght?(35, 70mm or whatever...?)..how usable is the viewfinder?..how quick (since most of cameras are now pretty quick) is the AF? if its as the previous Gs, i wouldnt buy it...
great..all you have to do now is shoot at iso 800 in broad daylight...lol
Kuturgan: Does it work with NX200?
standard or elite (nx200) ?
Previous version was working fine with elements 9, now, it does not...not anymore...plug-in not working...jehhh
rockjano: I am such a proud Hungarian right now. So many people don't know about him in his country sorrily...
Kertész means gardener.
jano
Didn't know it means gardener...he lived poorly in US for quite a time untill get noticed. News is that he in some point of his life went to MOMA (if im not mistaken) and gave a bunch of his photographs for some employee there, addressing them to the curator or whatever, and said: tell him a dead man left these photos.
Among my 10 top list for sure....Koudelka, HCB, Larrain, Sebastião Salgado and a few more...good to see real photography (as a subject) in this website
fotopizza: I have just tested the SD1 myself. In daily work I use Mamiya RZ67 with PhaseOne P45+ Back, Sigma SD14, or occassionally Pentax K-5, Nikon D700, Sony A900.
My own SD1 test was performed with: 105 + 70mm Makros, 50mm 1.4 HSM, 17-50mm f2.8 HSM OS. ALL of these lenses showed exellent results and enormous detail resolution at low ISO, even the zoom lens. The SD1 lacks the enormous highlight DR I`m used to from my SD14, that`s sad. Still, the clean and detailed output at ISO 200 blows everything away that the CaNiSoPenOly community has to offer right now. I would even prefer my SD14 over K5, D700(0), 7D any time- but only as long as the sun is shining or I`m in studio. SD1: Everything above ISO 400 is unsuable at the moment- less so because of the noisy sensor output, but the only RAW software for these files is SPP at the moment- and SPP is so full of bugs- it really can`t handle these files, and very often, it totally spoils or damages the output. Let`s wait untill SPP is working. Dennis
Please dont get it in the wrong way, im not in anyway critisizing you or your abilities as a photographer. Your claims just make no sense. DR has nothing to do with preserving the highlights and fillimg the shadows and then see what the results are. BTW, all tests (by professionals) showed clearly that shadow noise in sonys sensor (D7000, D5100 and K5) is veryy little, so your cameras must be defective. And BTW, i do jhave a DP1s, and made tests against a D300 from a friend of mine, and his camera has a little bit of better DR...and as you observed, my Dp1s shadows when lifted, pretty much SUCK...much more than bayer cameras...even so, the SD1 seems better regarding this...
Regards
Faintandfuzzy: Well...guess I'll be the one to rain on the parade. What I see here offer the typical Foveon "look" that some people claim is "film-like." I'll go ahead and disagree that there is nothing film like about these at all. What I see has the normal look of a lack of AA filter...in other words, aliasing artifacts on high contrast transition areas. Color no better than any Bayer camera. A look that appears someone has applied a USM of 500, 0.2, 0.....twice....even when no sharpening is applied.
The sad thing is if these were posted in a Canon or Nikon forum, no one would claim any special look...other than having issues with the high ISO color shifts and oversharpened look of the images.
I dont think foveon has anything to with film. It actually shows much more digital look than bayer, but it does have a different special look.
Octane: I was very excited to look at these, but I have to say I'm anything but impressed. I don't see the 'amazing detail' others seem to see here.
I agree with a previous comment that these looks oversharpened but don't seem to have the detail I would have expected from a true color pixel sensor.
I also don't think the colors looks particularly impressive, but that's no surprise. The second and third layer color channel is suffering from light loss of the layers above. The signal to noise ratio can't be anywhere close to Beyer sensor, thus it has a clear disadvantage in terms of colors.
The best detail I have seen recently was the samples from the Samsung NX200. That camera even outperforms the Sony A77 and is sharp into the corners and is amazing at handling contrast.
Me too...and samsung jpeg is not great either, have to wait for the raw samples
fotopizza: I have just tested the SD1 myself. In daily work I use Mamiya RZ67 with PhaseOne P45+ Back, Sigma SD14, or occassionally Pentax K-5, Nikon D700, Sony A900.
My own SD1 test was performed with: 105 + 70mm Makros, 50mm 1.4 HSM, 17-50mm f2.8 HSM OS. ALL of these lenses showed exellent results and enormous detail resolution at low ISO, even the zoom lens. The SD1 lacks the enormous highlight DR I`m used to from my SD14, that`s sad. Still, the clean and detailed output at ISO 200 blows everything away that the CaNiSoPenOly community has to offer right now. I would even prefer my SD14 over K5, D700(0), 7D any time- but only as long as the sun is shining or I`m in studio. SD1: Everything above ISO 400 is unsuable at the moment- less so because of the noisy sensor output, but the only RAW software for these files is SPP at the moment- and SPP is so full of bugs- it really can`t handle these files, and very often, it totally spoils or damages the output. Let`s wait untill SPP is working. Dennis
Even if dont care about tests, they mean something, the SD14 is not better than the K5 in DR, its they way you are doing the exposure that makes you think like that.
Why no 20mm (fixed) and 20-50mm samples? would be good to know how they will perform with the sensor...