rpm40: The Lytro Illuium 40 is down from $1299 to $386 on amazon. Hmm....
I was trying to be diplomatic about it, but fine. A 17 year old cpu is not even worth discussing as far as current price. You want a reasonable comparison? How about the Sony rx10, another 1" cam with similar zoom range and speed. It was announced in October 2013 for $1299. Going rate for it now from most stores is $799.
The Illium was announced later, April 2014, and the release price was higher, $1599. Look around now and the prices are about $400. Prices have dropped like a stone.
I think it is an interesting product with some specific uses, and I would like to play around with one. But if price is any reflection (and I think it is), it has not sold well.
mosc: For those who don't speak Zeis:
Batis: FF AFTouit: APS-C AFLoxia: FF MF
Nice lenses, but the names are terrible.
Yeah, got it thanks, but that's still a big drop, relatively speaking. Edit: and for me, its the difference between a major purchase, and "might be fun to give it a try".
The Lytro Illuium 40 is down from $1299 to $386 on amazon. Hmm....
Zorak: Well, had they put something more like that in their still cameras, I would have been interested. The problem they had was resolution, it seems solved. When will they be able to put something interesting in a small camera for consumers, that's what I want to know.
Edit : didn't see they stopped doing consumer products...
You probably won't want to know when you find out what this thing will cost!
Operator: The disassembles shows us the cheap built quality. No surprise anymore, why the X100T is not environmentally sealed. The built quality would be ok for a $400 compact camera, but not for over $1k.
Thats one ot the reasons I never bought it ....
Build quality is one of the reasons you didn't buy an x100? I've never heard any complaints about the build quality, and it looks fine here to me. Is there something you see that indicates poor quality inside?
....we're just shouting out prices, right? ;)
shademaster: flare. ouch. worse than lx100? I think so.
I only see any flare in one image, shooting almost directly into the sun. I doubt its an issue.
Besides, I would hope the 3x zoom on the larger, more expensive LX100 would outperform this pocket cam with its 10x zoom.
Sonyshine: ...or "where Sony leads others follow"
Its getting to be a crowded marketplace now - hardly a duff camera though, all are good.
Not sure why you assume that- Oly has put out a lot of very nice products lately, and they have been focused on making good small cameras for a long time. I expect good things from Fuji too (unless of course you are concerned much with video).
webrunner5: None of these cameras are worth the price.They are P&S cameras. People other than few on here are not going to pay 850 bucks for a damn P&S. Ain't happening.
You can buy the best smartphone in the world for less money. You can buy a DSLR for 350 bucks. Way better IQ.
Yet DPR seems t have a shootout about every 2 months on them. Give it up, there is not enough crazy people in the world to support them anymore. If they had to survive on their own every company making them would be out of business in 3 months!
Many of the cameras in this segment can definitely go toe to toe with a DSLR with kit lens. I am not sure what advantage you would get with a kit over an lx100 or G1x. Even some of the 1" models can compete because of their faster and more versatile lenses. I expect these new Nikons will prove the same.
Retro1976: Hey we need to figure out a way to create a new market segment of cameras to sell. I got an idea, we will market cheap inexpensive 1 inch sensors, throw them into a nice looking body, throw in an easy to design lens (buy rights to use a nice name, people always fall for that one). And then will can sell it for close to $1000. No way people will never buy that for a $1000 you can buy a nice crop body or even a Fuji or m43 compact at that price point besides even their phones technically have a lot to offer from the convenience of sharing pictures to editing on the fly. Don't worry photographers are morons, all we have to do and is make them think they need it and we can laugh all the way to the bank...
I want good image quality, but I no longer want to carry a big bag of gear full of lenses, filters and caps for all of them, etc. These cameras are FAR more convenient, and in many cases close enough in terms of IQ. I hope they keep continuing to push the capabilities of these high end compacts.
Jonathan F/2: The DL 18-50 name really bugs me, why don't they call it the DL Wide or something like that? It's not an 18-50mm lens, but only in equivalency.
Is your user name listed in 35mm equivalent?
Interest so far in 1" compacts show the market disagrees with you.
I'd like to see what Olympus will come up with in the 1" range too.
2eyesee: Isn't this an early announcement by Nikon? I mean these cameras aren't actually going to be available for 4 months - around the same time Sony will have the RX100M5 available going by their history.
Lets just hope the rx100 v doesn't add 8k and cost $1299
The Newtype: The 18-50 should have included a cropped sensor. If one is to carry an additional device around with them, it probably would have been best to make the quality SIGNIFICANTLY better than a mobile phone.
(and I'm just bitter that there still hasn't been a Coolpix A successor.
...and a 1" sensor beats the living daylights out of mobile phones. It IS "SIGNIFICANTLY better".
That is exactly part of why we are seeing this 1" sensor push- the tiny 1/2.3" sensors have been replaced by cell phones for most users.
marike6: Do you think DPR can find a more dusty demo camera to photograph? :) On- camera flash and product photography don't mix.
They're at CP+, that's booth lighting.
Björn Magnusson: From what I can read the control ring i customizeable and you can assign shutter speed, aperture etc to it. Also the DL 24-85 seem to have a built in ND-filter, which you claim it hasn´t @dpreview
@darngood, For me, size is the distinguishing feature in these categories (and size often guides decisions on feature set). I think an x40 would fit in comfortably with the more full featured LX100, g5x, G1Xii, in the category of "jacket pocket cams". The rx100s, gx9s, etc. of the world fall into my "jeans pocket cams" category, though I suppose with some it depends on the tightness of the pants in question!
Neodp: Excellent reporting.
More of the same from the cam companies:
3 expensive cameras and as if Sony's prices are acceptable.
No viewfinder is just one example of the "missing link" mixed with all the temptations.
Seems everyone is saying we need at least four cameras to cover all the bases. Why don't they sell affordable combo packages (like two cams with lenses) then? Now what is the balance (benefits) limit there?
As to the summary:
Isn't ultra wide (unique) father away; creating more compromises? A one trick pony.
Doesn’t utra-zooms prove the limits; on the other end?
Has the 1" sensor somehow improved? That’s the deal killer.
Where is the better middle improved; that only gets just wide enough and not ultra zoom? Why don't we see that without missing benefits?
We do not see a well balanced camera even at high prices and price is also part of the balance.
My head hurts.
fastlass: "However, all three customers are expected to be DSLR shooters looking for a smaller, lighter alternative for everyday shooting. "
I'll start by saying these cameras are really cool.But as an m43 shooter, one of my requirements was diminutive size. There's no space to fill between my phone and my "big camera." I suppose if I was an APS-C or FF (especially) shooter there may be a gap to fill.
Some folks definitely like having every tool available for every job, I understand that mindset exists. But do those people really make up a large enough market to justify a device like this?
These 1" models hit a clever sweet spot right now- smaller with still good enough IQ to give the serious shooters a casual compact, while on the other end of the scale they are a big enough upgrade over the top cell phones to make it worthwhile again for many to carry a dedicated camera.