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Nikon seems damned if they do and damned if they don't acknowledge and seek to rectify a mistake. Do people expect perfection? While I've been very critical of Nikon in the past, I applaud this transparency on their part and their willingness to service these cameras for free.
With incredibly greater complexity of electronics, it's amazing that we have the products we do. All we can expect of companies is to acknowledge the issue and quickly provide a firmware update or fix it free of charge.
Early adopters are always going to have this problem in nearly any industry. Even with vehicles it's always best to wait a year. With cameras it's at least 6 months.
Patience people. Nikon did good on this account acknowledging the issue (unlike the D600 or D800 oil and focus problems) and need to be applauded for it. You have to give credit where credit is due.
I'd still like to know that if it's a hardware issue how they expect to fix it.
raztec: My conclusion from all this is that, lens quality aside, other than in low light, or when needing very shallow depth of field, there is no advantage to a FF sensor.
Or is there?
True, that for a well lit scenic shot, the two cameras would be able to reproduce the same image quality in terms of noise and resolution. But will they have equivalent dynamic range?
And how often do you shoot indoors, or at dusk, or fast moving kids in shaded back yard, or a humming bird on your deck, or at evening events? It seems so much of photography does require low light, and having the ability of subject isolation is bigger than bonus. So again FF wins.
I think the only area where m43 really shines is in convenience and the fact that you'll actually take more pictures with them. Bigger volume means more keepers.
Seems like everyone's wanting a once and for all camera. But currently, there's isn't one. Technically, anyways. It's always a compromise.
....The question is: at what point do humans choose convenience over quality? The wide scale adoption of mp3 shows well that for many, that's all they want. For the time and effort it takes to capture a moment artistically, they'd rather spend it enjoying the experience. And nothing can substitute for live music.
To each his own. And let's not mistake efficiency for experience.
My conclusion from all this is that, lens quality aside, other than in low light, or when needing very shallow depth of field, there is no advantage to a FF sensor.
Gotta get me one of these if you can do this with it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9KZ3jgbbmI
Dr111968: I wonder why mirrorless camera body should be small while the lenses are huge! what is the point!
It's a matter of physics. There's no way to make the glass smaller without sacrificing light gathering capability.
I had the RX100II and returned it after not seeing a significant difference in IQ between that and my LX7. And I found the faster and wider lens on the LX7 much more useful.
The RX100III has the better lens than the 100II but I'm still wondering if the image quality will be that much better than the LX7 to warrant an upgrade.
Dear DPR Staff,
You really need to get out more if you think this is entertaining. You've got to be truly desperate for newsworthy items to put this up on your site.
DFPanno: If Sony intends for this camera is to be considered a true successor to the RX100 it must continue to fit in a man's trouser pocket.
(And by trousers I mean slacks; not wide-boy cargos and the like)
Any improvement that precludes that context pushes it into an entirely different class of camera completely IMO.
Once I need a bag (I don't do the camera on my belt thing thank you very much) there is a lot of competition out there.
Is that a camera in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
Way to go Nikon. Keep sinking to the bottom of the consumer barrel. While Sigma puts out a constant f1.8 18-35mm zoom you keep sinking lower and lower into the depths of hyperzoom despair. Soon you will be the laughing stock of all photography.
Adobe will die with their subscription service.
The distance, the isolation, the grandiosity conveyed by the bright lights all reveal the significance and magnitude of prisons in the USA. And they are only one thunderbolt from being unleashed on the sleeping masses.
MiraShootsNikon: Count me among the (hopefully many) readers who find it absurd to see this review appear before one for the Pentax K3.
What's more: a full 13-page write-up on the D610 provokes the wonders of hindsight, reminding us to see DPReview's high score and "Gold Award" for the D600 through the lens of Nikon's recent "sensor dust" acknowledgement, service recall, and various legal class actions pursuing the company's behavior following the D600 launch.
I get that Amazon owns DPReview, and that you log into the "Gear Shop" to participate. But at the same time, the folks who write these reviews respond to comments like mine with defenses of "editorial credibility."
Well DPReview, if you want "editorial credibility," don't give "gold awards" to $2K cameras with recall-worthy quality flaws. And instead of 13-page write ups for high-volume incremental warm-overs, let's hear about lower-volume but truly new stuff, like the K3. Stop telling us you aren't ruled by the Amazon "Gear Shop." Show us.
While I agree with Mira and can't wait for the K3 review, I also find that Richard Butler et al have been extremely forthcoming with respect to their critique of Nikon's foray into mirror-less and the Df's 'silliness.' If they didn't have editorial freedom I don't think they could critique Nikon so openly
The explanation regarding the tardiness of the K3 review seems plausible, but not by nearly 6 months given how popular it appears among the DP users.
The majority of the users here are very well informed amateurs and gear heads. What they don't realize is how much in the minority they really are. The vast majority of those who buy cameras don't even know what an f stop is.
Shows you what Nikon considers their primary market now: the beginner photographer.
You can tell Nikon is on its way out. They are turning into a shameful company run by fear, dishonesty and greed.
First, they don't acknowledge the problem for more than a year. Then, they put out a D610 so people have to upgrade instead of fixing the D600 problem to begin with. Finally, instead of admitting it's their faulty design that splatters 'oil' on the sensor, not dust, they make a half assed attempt to fix the issue, but only after a class action law suit and even then they make it sound like 'dust' is always going to be a problem on DSLRs and it has to do with how the customer handles the camera.
A really really class-less company.
Seriously, I'm beginning to think...is Nikon run by a butch of idiots?
It's about time Nikon! But you get an "F" in customer service.
KingshukB: Nikon announced 5 Full Frame bodies in 2013 and 5 APC Bodies.
FF : D800,D800E,D600,D610,D4..
APSC : D3200,D3300,D5200,D5300,D7100..
now in Feb, D4S...
Please nikon Announce D400 as soon as possible.
And none of them suit my needs. Where are the D300s and D700 replacements?
How refreshing to hear someone excited about new products. Compare his tone to the Nikon execs who are stale and too damn worried about the future.
I'm guessing no more new pro level DSLRs from Nikon for a while. They're gonna milk this puppy for all it's worth.